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Abu Beacon
As Doctor Phil would say -----

How's it working for you?

A.B.
Pegatha
QUOTE(Abu Beacon @ Feb 18 2007, 12:57 PM) *
As Doctor Phil would say -----

How's it working for you?

A.B.


Here's his picture:

Marine
QUOTE(Pegatha @ Feb 18 2007, 01:01 PM) *
Here's his picture:


Bush Lied, People Died?
by Larry Elder

I recently interviewed General Georges Sada, who served as the second-highest ranked general in the Iraqi Air Force. A two-star general, he wrote a recently published book called "Saddam's Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied and Survived Saddam Hussein." Here are some sound bites from that interview:

Elder: General, as you know, the president has been accused of lying about the intelligence, fabricating it, cherry-picking it, that he wanted to go to war, he really didn't believe that Saddam had WMD. It was all a big smokescreen. When you hear people accuse the president of lying about WMD, of misleading the country and the world, your reaction, Gen. Georges Sada, is what?

Sada: Let me tell you. I am really surprised how people are speaking like this and their soldiers are still in the battle. You see, a soldier when he is in battle, he wants to feel that all his nation are backing him and they are with him. And now I tell you I feel very sorry when I see some people in this country, their soldiers are in the battle, and they are discussing political things making that soldier to feel that he is there in the wrong place. That's one. Second, if there was something right had been done in this country, it was the best decision taken in the proper time, to go and liberate Iraq from an evil dictatorship who only God knows what he was going to do in the region, and maybe even to America, because that man was possessing the weapons of mass destruction and then he was with very evil intentions towards all the West, especially America.

Elder: Fifteen months before we invaded Iraq, the president began talking about what our intentions would be if Saddam would not comply with the U.N. resolutions. During those 15 months . . . did Saddam have WMD, have stockpiles of WMD, and, if so, what type?

Sada: Iraq possessed WMD and they were there, and they were chemical and biological, and nuclear weapons. He have also deals with China to make it in China this time, not in Iraq, because F-16s of Israelis have destroyed the Iraqi nuclear project, therefore, he designed a new system to have the atom bomb to be done in China, and he would only pay the money, and he did for $100 million, and $5 million were paid for down payment. I know the bank, I know the branch, and I know the accountant who did it.

Elder: What happened to the chemical and biological weapons?

Sada: The chemical and biological weapons were available in Iraq before liberating the country, but Saddam Hussein took the advantage of a natural disaster that happened in Syria when a dam was collapsed and many villages were flooded. So Saddam Hussein took that cover and declared to the world that he is going to use the civilian aircraft for an air bridge to help Syria with blankets, food and fuel oil, and other humanitarian things, but that was not true. The truth is he converted two regular passenger civilian aircraft, 747 Jumbo and 727 . . . all the weapons of mass destruction were put there by the special Republican Guards in a very secret way, and they were transported to Syria, to Damascus, by flying 56 flights to Damascus. . . . In addition . . . also a truck convoy on the ground to take whatever has to do with WMD to Syria.

Elder: I've always thought it incredible, bizarre, unbelievable, that our intelligence could have been wrong, British intelligence could have been wrong, the French, the Germans, the Russians, the U.N., the Egyptians, the Jordanians, all of whom thought he had WMD. I never felt comfortable with the idea that everybody got it wrong. . . .

Sada: Your intelligence said that Saddam Hussein had WMD. . . . I agree with them. They were there in Iraq. But they didn't find them after liberation of Iraq, because they were searching not in the right place. These things were transported by air and by ground.

Elder: General, why would Saddam, knowing we were about ready to invade, transfer WMD out of the country instead of using it on American and coalition troops?

Sada: Because he knew that the power of America to liberate the country is more than what he can do. And maybe not all WMD were ready to use then. And that's why he transported to Syria and he thought that he's going to maintain in the power as he was maintained in 1991 and then he was going to get it back again and then proceed to complete the whole project of WMD.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=12860
vfguenley
QUOTE(Marine @ Feb 18 2007, 02:05 PM) *
Bush Lied, People Died?
by Larry Elder

I recently interviewed General Georges Sada, who served as the second-highest ranked general in the Iraqi Air Force. A two-star general, he wrote a recently published book called "Saddam's Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied and Survived Saddam Hussein." Here are some sound bites from that interview:

Elder: General, as you know, the president has been accused of lying about the intelligence, fabricating it, cherry-picking it, that he wanted to go to war, he really didn't believe that Saddam had WMD. It was all a big smokescreen. When you hear people accuse the president of lying about WMD, of misleading the country and the world, your reaction, Gen. Georges Sada, is what?

Sada: Let me tell you. I am really surprised how people are speaking like this and their soldiers are still in the battle. You see, a soldier when he is in battle, he wants to feel that all his nation are backing him and they are with him. And now I tell you I feel very sorry when I see some people in this country, their soldiers are in the battle, and they are discussing political things making that soldier to feel that he is there in the wrong place. That's one. Second, if there was something right had been done in this country, it was the best decision taken in the proper time, to go and liberate Iraq from an evil dictatorship who only God knows what he was going to do in the region, and maybe even to America, because that man was possessing the weapons of mass destruction and then he was with very evil intentions towards all the West, especially America.

Elder: Fifteen months before we invaded Iraq, the president began talking about what our intentions would be if Saddam would not comply with the U.N. resolutions. During those 15 months . . . did Saddam have WMD, have stockpiles of WMD, and, if so, what type?

Sada: Iraq possessed WMD and they were there, and they were chemical and biological, and nuclear weapons. He have also deals with China to make it in China this time, not in Iraq, because F-16s of Israelis have destroyed the Iraqi nuclear project, therefore, he designed a new system to have the atom bomb to be done in China, and he would only pay the money, and he did for $100 million, and $5 million were paid for down payment. I know the bank, I know the branch, and I know the accountant who did it.

Elder: What happened to the chemical and biological weapons?

Sada: The chemical and biological weapons were available in Iraq before liberating the country, but Saddam Hussein took the advantage of a natural disaster that happened in Syria when a dam was collapsed and many villages were flooded. So Saddam Hussein took that cover and declared to the world that he is going to use the civilian aircraft for an air bridge to help Syria with blankets, food and fuel oil, and other humanitarian things, but that was not true. The truth is he converted two regular passenger civilian aircraft, 747 Jumbo and 727 . . . all the weapons of mass destruction were put there by the special Republican Guards in a very secret way, and they were transported to Syria, to Damascus, by flying 56 flights to Damascus. . . . In addition . . . also a truck convoy on the ground to take whatever has to do with WMD to Syria.

Elder: I've always thought it incredible, bizarre, unbelievable, that our intelligence could have been wrong, British intelligence could have been wrong, the French, the Germans, the Russians, the U.N., the Egyptians, the Jordanians, all of whom thought he had WMD. I never felt comfortable with the idea that everybody got it wrong. . . .

Sada: Your intelligence said that Saddam Hussein had WMD. . . . I agree with them. They were there in Iraq. But they didn't find them after liberation of Iraq, because they were searching not in the right place. These things were transported by air and by ground.

Elder: General, why would Saddam, knowing we were about ready to invade, transfer WMD out of the country instead of using it on American and coalition troops?

Sada: Because he knew that the power of America to liberate the country is more than what he can do. And maybe not all WMD were ready to use then. And that's why he transported to Syria and he thought that he's going to maintain in the power as he was maintained in 1991 and then he was going to get it back again and then proceed to complete the whole project of WMD.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=12860

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Sada
He serves as the Senior Warden of the St. Georges Anglican Church and as the President of the National Presbyterian Church, both in Baghdad. The former President of the Evangelical Churches of Iraq, Sada is also chairman of the Assembly of Iraqi Evangelical Presbyterian Churches. He has been active in advocating that Iraq was historically Christian in nature, and not Muslim.

His claims, though, tend to contradict the findings of the Duelfer Report, which "judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place," though analysts were unable to rule out the possibility.
Dragging out more nut cases won’t change a thing. Where is the Al Qaeda connection, where are the promised WMD’s, why are good Americans dieing in Iraq?
Abu Beacon
QUOTE(vfguenley @ Feb 18 2007, 03:00 PM) *
His claims, though, tend to contradict the findings of the Duelfer Report, which "judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place," though analysts were unable to rule out the possibility.
Dragging out more nut cases won’t change a thing. Where is the Al Qaeda connection, where are the promised WMD’s, why are good Americans dieing in Iraq?



New York Times article: 2:19:07 --

Al- Qaida terror network growing.

Senior leaders of al-qaida have re-established significant control over their once battered world wide terror network.

How's it working for you, George?

A.B.
Abu Beacon
QUOTE(Marine @ Feb 18 2007, 02:05 PM) *


Rice in the mideast
Israeli and U.S. leaders agreed ahead of a three-way meeting with the Palestinians to shun any new Palestinian government that does not renounce violence, recognize Israel and accept existing peace agreements, an Israeli official said Sunday. (Feb. 18)


US and Israel in boycott plan
" The US and Israel will shun a Palestinian unity government unless it recognises Israel, " Ehud Olmert says.

A very interesting and unique situation.

Two parties are having a disagreement.

They get a third party to be the " fair broker " in order to settle the disagreement.

The " fair broker " and one of the parties ( let's call it ' side one ' ) get together ahead of time and lay out the conditions for the settlement.

Then they tell side two what it must do.

There is no discussion at all concerning what side one must do.

They call this " mediating "

How's it working for you, George?

A.B.
grammydidi
QUOTE(Abu Beacon @ Feb 19 2007, 06:23 AM) *
Rice in the mideast
Israeli and U.S. leaders agreed ahead of a three-way meeting with the Palestinians to shun any new Palestinian government that does not renounce violence, recognize Israel and accept existing peace agreements, an Israeli official said Sunday. (Feb. 18)
US and Israel in boycott plan
" The US and Israel will shun a Palestinian unity government unless it recognises Israel, " Ehud Olmert says.

A very interesting and unique situation.

Two parties are having a disagreement.

They get a third party to be the " fair broker " in order to settle the disagreement.

The " fair broker " and one of the parties ( let's call it ' side one ' ) get together ahead of time and lay out the conditions for the settlement.

Then they tell side two what it must do.

There is no discussion at all concerning what side one must do.

They call this " mediating "

How's it working for you, George?

A.B.



Then, to add humiliation and perversity to the situation; if side two obtains a "fair broker" (say....Syria) they and their broker are accused of being terrorists! The bullies gang up again on the little guy and everyone else just sits on their hands, like good little enablers. Shame, shame on them all.

Every condition put forth should be agreed upon by its own merits and the same condition should hold true for both sides:
1. If Palestine has to recognize Israel, Israel has to recognize Palestine
2. If Palestine has to agree to eschew violence, so does Israel.

What in God's Great Kingdom gives Israel more rights than any other country? Pshaw.............
Abu Beacon
QUOTE(grammydidi @ Feb 19 2007, 07:40 AM) *
Then, to add humiliation and perversity to the situation; if side two obtains a "fair broker" (say....Syria) they and their broker are accused of being terrorists! The bullies gang up again on the little guy and everyone else just sits on their hands, like good little enablers. Shame, shame on them all.

Every condition put forth should be agreed upon by its own merits and the same condition should hold true for both sides:
1. If Palestine has to recognize Israel, Israel has to recognize Palestine
2. If Palestine has to agree to eschew violence, so does Israel.

What in God's Great Kingdom gives Israel more rights than any other country? Pshaw.............


grammydidi -

The question is really not " what " gives Israel more rights than any other country.

The question is " Who " gives them more rights.

And the answer is -- the government of the United States which feels powerful enough to do things like that with absolutely no thought that it may not be the correct, the legal, the moral, or the wise thing to do.

A.B.
cutecat
finally telling the truth



US-Iraqi Operation Imposing Law.


in bushism this is saying US- Iraq OIL
Abu Beacon
QUOTE(grammydidi @ Feb 19 2007, 07:40 AM) *
Then, to add humiliation and perversity to the situation; if side two obtains a "fair broker" (say....Syria) they and their broker are accused of being terrorists! The bullies gang up again on the little guy and everyone else just sits on their hands, like good little enablers. Shame, shame on them all.

Every condition put forth should be agreed upon by its own merits and the same condition should hold true for both sides:
1. If Palestine has to recognize Israel, Israel has to recognize Palestine
2. If Palestine has to agree to eschew violence, so does Israel.

What in God's Great Kingdom gives Israel more rights than any other country? Pshaw.............


The two conditions you point out, grammydidi, are so basic, - so fair - so unbiased, that only two collaborators who have no intention of ever seeing, justice accomplished and the Palestinians having their own state in their ancestral land could ignore them.

However, eventually, this will come about.

Those who are foremost in this scam will not last forever. Both of them have a very low approval rate in their own country.

Thanks for pointing out what should be obvious to the world but unfortunately is not always so.

A.B.
Marine
QUOTE(vfguenley @ Feb 18 2007, 02:00 PM) *
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Sada
He serves as the Senior Warden of the St. Georges Anglican Church and as the President of the National Presbyterian Church, both in Baghdad. The former President of the Evangelical Churches of Iraq, Sada is also chairman of the Assembly of Iraqi Evangelical Presbyterian Churches. He has been active in advocating that Iraq was historically Christian in nature, and not Muslim.

His claims, though, tend to contradict the findings of the Duelfer Report, which "judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place," though analysts were unable to rule out the possibility.
Dragging out more nut cases won’t change a thing. Where is the Al Qaeda connection, where are the promised WMD’s, why are good Americans dieing in Iraq?

I dunno Vaughn, this is the part which I was wondering if you read? What makes him a nutcase by the way, that he's a Christian?
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Sada: Let me tell you. I am really surprised how people are speaking like this and their soldiers are still in the battle. You see, a soldier when he is in battle, he wants to feel that all his nation are backing him and they are with him. And now I tell you I feel very sorry when I see some people in this country, their soldiers are in the battle, and they are discussing political things making that soldier to feel that he is there in the wrong place. That's one. Second, if there was something right had been done in this country, it was the best decision taken in the proper time, to go and liberate Iraq from an evil dictatorship who only God knows what he was going to do in the region, and maybe even to America, because that man was possessing the weapons of mass destruction and then he was with very evil intentions towards all the West, especially America.
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