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Noonan
Why Fort Dix?

Regarding the terrorist plot against Fort Dix, which was foiled by standard law-enforcement proceduresSteve M. correctly predicted much chest-pounding and feces-throwing on the Right, although Michelle so far has not resorted to multiple exclamation points (!!!). Steve also says,

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So apparently no warrantless wiretapping led to these arrests, no torture of suspects in overseas prisons, nothing liberals have objected to in the Patriot Act. Remember that when you’re told that these arrests prove that we can’t trust liberals and Democrats.

In fact, what led to these arrests, apparently, is something right-wingers might object to — a video processor calling the FBI after watching people on a tape shooting guns. I’m surprised that that isn’t already illegal, as the result of pressure from the gun lobby. But maybe that’s a fight for another day.

I should add that it won’t surprise me if it turns out that there’s a lot less to this plot than current reports are suggesting — an overhyped terror arrest would go very nicely with the “did we really kill a top al-Qaeda guy?” reports coming from overseas lately.

Whatever the case, we’ll also hear that this proves that “we have to fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here,” even though we are fighting them over there and these guys are here anyway (and they came from Albania, where no one’s suggesting we start a surge).
The basic story is that six Islamic radicals were planning to attack Fort Dix and kill soldiers as part of a jihad against America. This is what the Department of Justice is saying, anyhow, so take that with a grain of salt. They were arrested after they tried to purchase AK-47s from a gun merchant who was also an FBI informant, but the six had been under FBI surveillance for more than a year. It appears they were all in the country illegally. [Correction: Some news sources are saying one was a U.S. citizen.] Four were ethnic Albanians, one was born in Turkey, and one was born in Jordan.

Fort Dix today is a training and mobilization center for the Army Reserve and National Guard. I don’t know if there’s a connection, but back in 1999 thousands of ethnic Albanian Muslims were housed at Fort Dix after they had fled war-ravaged Kosovo.

And don’t forget — the NRA wants suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns.

Update: According to CBS News, five of these guys lived in Cherry Hill, New Jersey. Cherry Hill is an enclave of old money; there are rumors the public schools there have gold-plated restroom fixtures. Weird.

Oh, CBS News also says:

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At the time of the arrests, the plot was in the planning stages and no attack was imminent, CBS News has learned. Officials said this is more of a “homegrown” plot with no ties to al Qaeda or any other international terrorist organization, CBS News reports.


I forgot to mention earlier that one of these geniuses tried to get a terrorist training video tape converted to DVD at a store in Cherry Hill. A store employee notified authorities.

Update 2: Pam the Superboob blames Bill Clinton.

Update 3: Brilliant as ever, La Shawn Barber calls for “ethnic and religious profiling.” Four of these jihadists were ethnic Albanians, dear. As in European. But I’ll go along with religious profiling if it means Pat Robertson goes on a no-fly list.
tomhye
Target of opportunity, that kind of attack is rarely planned on any other basis. It's like asking why most of the Palestinian bombers chose their targets, a small number were for specific reasons, most were chosen because they could kill enough people to grab headlines.
graham4anything
Because the Bushfamilyinc who is promoting this propaganda bullspit likes Dix?

Who wants to take odds when these people are released?

When and where?

this is a yawner.
Marine
QUOTE(tomhye @ May 8 2007, 12:06 PM) *
Target of opportunity, that kind of attack is rarely planned on any other basis. It's like asking why most of the Palestinian bombers chose their targets, a small number were for specific reasons, most were chosen because they could kill enough people to grab headlines.

They picked Fort Dix because one of the guys was a regular pizza delivery driver to the place
tomhye
QUOTE(Marine @ May 8 2007, 11:54 AM) *
They picked Fort Dix because one of the guys was a regular pizza delivery driver to the place


Thanks, in a sense it's reassuring when things are within the usual pattern.
Noonan
Late Nite FDL: Outrage in a Can
By: TRex


Well, after weeks of trying to pin every car-backfire, school massacre, and kid with a cherry bomb on phony cabals of Muslim Fanatic Terrorists, Righty Blogistan and the Em Ess Em have finally got themselves a group of real live jihadi. In Jersey. (Where else, really?)

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WASHINGTON (CNN) — The federal government charged five alleged Islamic radicals with plotting to kill U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix in New Jersey.

A sixth was charged with aiding and abetting the illegal possession of firearms by three of the others.

"The philosophy that supports and encourages jihad around the world against Americans came to live here in New Jersey and threaten the lives of our citizens through these defendants," New Jersey U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said at a news conference Tuesday.

The men were arrested Monday night and heard the charges against them Tuesday in federal court. They will be held without bond pending a hearing Friday, according to Michael Drewniak, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of New Jersey.
Well, so much for fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here.

You know that Debbie Schlussel is turning clumsy-ass cartwheels of joy that there's finally some Hot Islamic Jihadi Action for her to write about. And of course, their semi-questionable citizenship status has Michelle Malkin melting through her Victoria's Secret white cotton lady briefs. You can go look at their blogs if you want. I don't have the stomach for it. They'll be dining out on these six losers and their woodland paintball games all the way to the 2008 elections and beyond. The Muslim Fanatics are, like, totally among us right now!! Time to start rounding them all up, eh, Internment Girl?

Never mind that we've done this song and dance before with those seven losers in a warehouse in Miami that got arrested last year. Never mind that this is all suspiciously well-timed for the Bush Assministration, whose poll numbers are tanking and whose pet idiot will be making his second (and undoubtedly awe-inspiringly bad) testimony before Congress the day after tomorrow.

No, this time it's different! This time it's important! This time the threat was REAL!

("Wolf!" cried the boy, "Wolf! Wolf!")

So, expect this to be in heavy rotation in the media cycle over the next couple of weeks. They're going to milk it for every last possible fear-mongering, freedom-squelching, race-baiting drop that they can squeeze out. You're actually going to miss the Anna Nicole frenzy. You think I'm kidding, don't you?

I guess the thing that chaps my ass about the whole thing is that there were two other major domestic terror plots uncovered last week, but what has Wolf Blitzer had to say about that? Nothing. Nil.

But just for the hell of it, let's review.

First off, there's the southern-fried militia I like to call the Alabama Asshat Brigade.

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BIRMINGHAM, Alabama — Five members of a self-styled Alabama militia were denied bond Tuesday after a federal agent testified they planned a machine-gun attack on Mexicans. A sixth man accused of having weapons and explosives components in his home was approved for release.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Robert Armstrong said he could not grant bond because of the agent's testimony and the large number of weapons — including about 200 homemade hand grenades and a launcher — that were seized in raids last Friday.


And what were they going to do with those guns and grenades?

Kill as many Mexicans as possible.

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Adam Nesmith, an agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, testified that the five men planned an attack on Mexicans in a small town just north of Birmingham, and went there on a reconnaissance mission April 20.

Nesmith said one of the men told an informant that the group, which calls itself the Alabama Free Militia, saw government agents as "the enemy" and had a standing order to open fire if anyone saw government agents approaching.

The sixth man is charged with being a drug user in possession of a firearm. A federal agent testified they found two rooms loaded with guns and possible explosives components, including fireworks, ball bearings, primers, mouse traps, light bulbs and fertilizer.


A lawyer for one of the men has said the case has been overblown by authorities. He said his client began stockpiling items partly because of the scare of the Y2K computer glitch in 2000.

Right. And I bought a whole new spring wardrobe because I like to ride the escalators at the mall.

Then there was this little token of love from the "culture of life":

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AUSTIN, Texas - A bomb was left in a duffel bag in the parking lot of a clinic where abortions are performed, but a bomb squad safely detonated it.

An employee found the package Wednesday in the parking lot of the Austin Women's Health Center, authorities said. The immediate area, including nearby Interstate 35, was evacuated briefly.

The device "was configured in such a way to cause serious bodily injury or death," said David Carter, assistant chief of the Austin Police Department.


So, that's two other domestic terrorism plots with actual weapons (which the Jersey Jihadi and the Florida Warehouse Gang never got around to acquiring, by the way) in a week. Of course, because they were going to kill Mexicans and women seeking abortions, well, that's just not sexy like the Nightly News needs for ledes. Those stories barely merit a passing mention, whereas our unarmed Islamic fantasists in Trenton are going to be absolutely ubiquitous.

And don't expect people like Malkin and Pam Atlas and Debbie Schlussel to give any column inches at all to these Conservaterrorists, let alone open up their ever-present cans of fauxtrage. Those people are their readers, so of course they wouldn't want to alienate their fan-base. Nope, it's going to be all Jersey Jihadi all the time for the foreseeable future.
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