Baffling results in Oklahoma


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...dress=203x86153
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Someone who can put this into an excel spreadsheet and send it to the BBV needs to do so! bev@blackboxvoting.org , tips@blackboxvoting.org

Thank You. I was dreading typing all these number in.......
I just saw this this morning. WHAT IS THE FULL STORY?
What does the Tulsa World say??? (I'll bet they say they made a mistake!)
I want to know their original source. I can't figure how this "mistake" could have happened!

Not knowing when the negative counting started..... it's hard to come up with final.
But at the same rate (a 70% sample is pretty good...)
Kerry 635103.692 Bush 828654.3074
rather than
Kerry 503966 Bush 959792
Why didn't they do negative counts in all the counties. Was there something different about the systems? (maybe they did...?)
Either way it's a change of 43% to 34% Kerry.... a mandate maker.
The negative votes add up to 47,244 in Kerry's column......

I sent the spreadsheet on as requested.

Are we really all insane? I feel like I am in a Hitchcock movie!

Nope, whistle blowers said they padded the vote counts in Oklahoma and through-out Texas for sure. Changing Kerry's original lead to a 34% in Oklahoma would indicate a mandate. Looks like the testimony from poll watchers is the same across the board, Oklahoma did massive vote fraud and tampering.

Wrong topic.

Even MORE baffling...

Check votes for Cockfighting in 2002

If you are wondering what the cockfighting ban proposal in 2002 has to do with this...

Now look at thes numbers

Adair 2137 3704
Alflafa 920 1075
Atoka 839 2897
Beaver 807 1114

They sure look like the numbers that Tulsa World gave. Where they came from is here:

http://www.state.ok.us/~elections/02sq.pdf

Scroll down to State Question 687 which was on the 2002 ballot and you will see them. That is where Tulsa World got it's numbers. From the results of a 2002 ballot vote on banning cock fighting.

Edit: I see lawnorder beat me to it!

By golly Desron actually did some detective work that helped the vote fraud issue!
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It appears as though Oklahoma's "strategist" simply copied the numbers from a former electoral race that happened on Diebold's tabulators and used it in the 2004 election......Instant fraud, foolproof or so they say...

It wasn't me. I follwed the story from here to the DU, read the posts in the thread and saw one that linked to another thread and it that thread, there was a post with a link to the 2002 cock fight ban vote. Also lawnorder got a reply on the Kos site about checking into the same vote.

As for the fraud issue, if one checks the CNN site, you'll see numbers that very closely match the info given at the SOS site for the 2004 election.

It appears to me that someone at Tulsa World really screwed up. If one does a search at that newspaper, you'll see a correction notice in regards to the graph they had used. I had qouted the correction notice and gave a link to it in another thread.

If this means that they simply copied the Diebold tabulator results from the 2002 election, and transposed it into the 2004 election that would be funny indeed and DailyKos would have the smoking gun which Keith wanted to show how the exit polls went completely out the window.....

Ok...... So....... the Tulsa World didn't have a real count from 2004..... that's bad for us. I'm confused about how this should make me happy that someone at the Tulsa World was demented enough to try this? Why would they do that????

The final numbers are all they have to show... We still need a snapshot before the fix. However..... if you were making a program, wouldn't you do your skimming continuously to avoid leaving evidence???

How in the world did anyone find the cockfighting numbers? I can't even get access to articles at that time without paying the Tulsa World money. Which I might. Know I want to know what the numbers were back then for the cockfighting.... in the paper.

Without KNOWING where to look how do you come up with an obscure vote in 2001? Were the results printed by the state? By Diebold? If so, knowing that the eventual numbers might not jibe why would they risk it??

I see no reason a reporter would fake results.

I do see a reason to discredit a reporter.....

I emailed someone at the Tulsa World for an explanation......
I'll be amazed if I get an answer.

Everyday new information like this comes out, what are we waiting for people, we need voter standardization now, and perhaps we can not take the voting right in to the computer age. This is to important and we need to show voting the respect it deserves, this is not like driving up to your ATM machine. Why should it be that easy, I would say make election day a national holiday so everyone has the time to do it right!

OK.....
I didn't believe the "facts" we had, so I paid to download A10 from the Tulsa World.

I'm still waiting for answers.......

I'll bet the reporter sucks this up. I'd "retire" if I was handed enough money, but where did he get the information???

Has this issue been resolved??????????? I'm waiting on an explanation from the Tulsa World.

Someone please point me to the "correction".

How could a reporter make a mistake like this?? "Gee, no results for the presidential election... I'll just use the results from that cockfighting vote in 2001. That should work." HUH????

Someone? Anyone? This is a story either way.

WHERE DID THE REFERENCE TO THE COCKFIGHTING NUMBERS COME FROM... I can't believe any of us thought to check back to previous elections!! I think the odds that someone did that search really unlikely.

There is no simple explanation. The best I can come up with..... the numbers the Tulsa World posted were correct at the time. Someone replaced the cock fighting numbers from 2001 with the real 2004 70% numbers... and then pointed to the impossibility that they could match. Bingo. Present history free to change to the numbers they wanted. Who would have a copy of the original cockfighting numbers!?

There's no way anyone "official" who was planning to fix the vote would pass out numbers that wouldn't match what they wanted to do. That is as unlikely as a reporter destroying his own career.

HELP! Anyone. Were any other partial votes printed elsewhere?? Not exit polls but partial counts?

Yesterday.... 12/3..... ONE MONTH LATER.... the Tulsa World printed this.

>The Tulsa World on Nov.3 Incorrectly published unofficial Oklahoma election
>returns by county in the race between George Bush and John Kerry for U.S.
>president. The Tulsa World mistakenly placed 2002 countywide returns from
>the vote on State Question 687 on cockfighting into a form to be used for
>county-by-county election returns in the 2004 presidential race. The
>Oklahoma election returns by county in the race for U.S. president from the
>Oklahoma State Election Board are printed below.
PRESIDENT: BY COUNTY
(then the list. Not the AP list, but the final numbers by the election
board, aka Point C) Still no point B.Where's the B(eef)?

I was about to post my copy of the Tulsa World... but I really don't want them getting me for plagarism... or some such claim. This still stinks... I think I found the person who found the match to the cockfighting.

What a pain.

I second the motion! We have Labor Day. Why shouldn't we have Election Day?

That person appears to be k8conant over at DU. He says he found it by doing a google search on the numbers given for Adrian county as listed in the Tulsa World article.