Plus audits plus more!!!!!




http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...dress=203x89572

Also up to the minute news: GOP Controller Augustine of Nevada, is being impeached. Secretary of State on trial plus GOP head of New Mexico, and GOP judge, going on trial. This is big, these two states are gaining back total democracy!!!!!! :o :o

Really now? I am impressed.
Please keep us updated.

they forgot poland...........er, I mean florida.

Great news (for us, not those on trial).

Do you know the status of these states' vote certifications?

What are the impeachment charges?

Inquiring minds want to know!

he he he - have you seen http://www.youforgotpoland.com/ ???

Check the evidence thread!!!!

GOP will be impeached for purposefully destroying registrations, hiding cards and altering computers

GOP chairmans of arizona (also from the madsen story!!!!) under investigation and on trial in New Mexico, same charges of deleting votes!!!!! No word on whether the state will allow the votes to remain certified, or the news linking it to Texas yet.

Mr. Cobb and the Green Party you have my deepest gratitude, and I will seriously examine your party for future elections. Others in the LGBT community may be shopping around for an alternative party, where our striving for equal rights isn't used to blame us for Democrat's losses.

Underbear,

You are quite divisive. It is those kinds of accusations that split the party apart. I don't believe that any true democrat feels that the LGBT community made Kerry lose this election, but the bigotry of religious right that may have. ( I personally thought we lost because of fraud).

This is not a time for blame, but a time to come together and keep everyone under the big tent that the democrats have always stood for.

Sometimes the tent is so large that there are factions within it. You are right about that. But I think we all should learn by now to may put our special interests aside and save this country from right wing zealotry. This takes trust from all sides. We are a rag tag party with many different people under different umbrellas. We need to be democrats first, truly and whole heartedly and trust that our party and beliefs will pull us through and worry about special interests one we get the power back. We need to be thinking big picture here, not small picture.

I've seen dozens of posts on this forum criticizing the LGBT community for anti-gay marriage initiatives on 11 state ballots,here's a clue, Republicans under Rove put those iniatives on the ballots NOT the LGBT community.
I've seen Democrats divide over anti war movement and civil rights for Blacks, women's equality and reproductive choice.Well now it's the LGBT communities turn to be blamed, but Democrats better look at EVERY major city's races and see how many elections are determined by LGBT voters.

TAG,

"We need to be democrats first"

God made me queer LONG BEFORE I became a democrat. As Rev Sharpton said in Boston,concerning African Americans in the Democratic Party, "we'll ride this donkey as far as it takes us." Democrats need to realise that was NOT a promise to ALWAYS be Democrats, it's a realistic view that as long as Democrats work for African American issues, they will be there supporting Democratic candidates.

"We need to be thinking big picture here, not small picture. "

WHO THE (cheney) DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TELLING GAYS THEIR EQUALITY IS THE "SMALL" PICTURE?

HERES A CLUE, the gay marriage thing was turned into a hot issue, NOT BY ROVE!!! It was Massachuttsetts, and last I checked ROVE wasn't running the state government here. Check your facts before you speak please!

No stone must go unturned in this search for the ultimate truth. The American people have a right to know who really won the election. Many say we should just let it go and look ahead but there is no ahead until we can guarantee free elections. With the flagarant erosion of our civil liberties at the hands of the theocratic republican political machine, we must utilize all resources and exhaust all avenues to once again have fair elections.

Rove got the initiatives on 11 state ballots, that wasn't sought by the LGBT community,check your OWN facts.

This is great news. That's what's great about this forum: when another report drags you down, another comes along to boost your spirit. It'll go on like this for the duration I suspect. In the mean time, yippee! Thanks for the post.

I for one hope the GLBT gets their own party or shuts up their traps. If you go look at their boards you will see why conservatives don't want more of them. As you can perfectly well see... this thread is about "Greens will recount two more states". It is not about you. Do I talk about my sexual preferences in my posts? Do I whine about being widowed? Is there any hope that you people can try and act like mature adults? If not, get some therapy. By the way, over 30% of the GLBT voted for Bush. Maybe we should ask the Repubs to take some of these people along with the votes. I wonder how many of them voted for Kerry. And how many of them didn't vote at all. I say it's time to split. We're suppose to embrace the leadership of a governer who hits on an unwilling employee, throws his elected office away, and says his wife and daughter are "a mistake"? Gag!!!!!

Now about these recounts...go Cobb go! Maybe we should check out the Green party who obviously cares about our votes for real! How do they feel about Christian values?

Not to drag off but this wasn't about lesbian rights and all of that....I don't think all that division should be allowed either, but then again the mostly normal christians of this country thinks there is problems with lesbian and gay inbreeding and had to speak out about it. The ones who are detestful of it and hate it though are the hypocrites of this nation, the neocons who are in every party now. Luckily they are a real minority for now...

MominTN

don't be so sure the Republicans don't want more gays,there's one as President of the RNC!

The Republicans can have all of them as far as I'm concerned. By the time they get all the things they think they want, they'll decide they're really bi, and want some other kind of special living arrangement. Go check out their poll on www.democraticunderground.com and you will see that the ones that post think their sexuality is an evolving thing. Before you waste your time with their agenda, find out how many of them voted for Kerry. There are probably more gays on HBO than ones who voted. Kerry looked like a fool in the debate when he said they were born that way. I don't know any gay person who hasn't had it both ways. So what gene turns a person into someone who will try anything? It might be wiser to improve access to substance abuse programs and parenting support programs for parents with troubled teens.

I am gay and I have MANY gay male friends that have NEVER dated women, so who do you think has more credibility on this issue?

btw. Mom in TN at exactly what age did you choose to be heterosexual?

Actually a more important question we might ask on this board is why 30% of the gays voted for Bush? If you are such an expert, answer that. Also find out how many voted for Kerry. Thanks.
And to answer your question, I never knew I had a choice.

Great news! keith anounced it on air tonight as well.

23% is the number CNN's flawed exit polls quoted, but it makes no sense to me.
Log Cabin Republicans refused to endorse Bush, and actively bought ads against FMA Federal Marriage Ammendment. Democrat gays and lesbians supported Kerry.
There were some queer columnists that were luke-warm towards Kerry, but insisted he was the best choice for our community. I don't know a single gay or lesbian that supported Bush.

Nevada election contested: May be overturned

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=2626277



That's good news as well, states are saying they will overturn the results!!! If we outsmart Blackwell which isn't very hard, take Ohio- At that point Rove must be getting worried and wondering where his money went....

Rove is the only real smart dog counting the pack in Ohio, but was he stupid enough to let Blackwell disgrace himself? Something is going on here....

MominTN since you say gays have a choice to evolve to being bi,and all the gays you know have experimented with the opposite sex, you sure make it sound like a choice to me. Thanks for sharing,...........ignore!

I am always highly suspicious of any post that refers to "them" and what "they " want, with recomendations for what "they" can do with "their" viewpoint. Gays, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Liberals, Women, Men.... "they" are the problem, not "us". I ignore such comments as useless. No group that large can be homogenous. I have been hearing Rush and other comentators refer to "Liberals" in this way for far to long, making a leap from one statement from an individual or group and then painting all "liberals" with the same brush. It is one of the ways our opinions have been ridiculed and sidelined for years. We should refuse to sink to that level of discourse. So, back off, momin TN. "They" have just as much right to an opinion, an agenda, a mistake or a victory, as you do. As for Underbear, I hope the democrats will continue to be the party of inclusion and fight for the rights of ALL , even the ones with outspoken message boards!
MM in SoCal

Yep

Sad...

Dems won't get anywhere by trying to imitate GOP "values". You can't outbushit a Bushie...

Besides...

First they came for the gays (Link)
Then they came for the bloggers (Link)
Next they will come for the Atheists (Link)
Pretty soon it will be our turn...

Because we know the old poem by Martin Niemiller is true...

First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

PS: I'm a hetero mom of 2 but wouldn't dream of dropping my support of the LGBT just to win elections...

I don't wouldn't do it to win an election either. I'd do it for the welfare of future generations and my children.

Dear Underwear, I mean, Underbear,

Please do not write off the Dems because some of them are heathens. Every party, even the Greens, have some. (Actually, I've met a few loathsome Greens in my time.)

The vast, vast majority of us place no blame whatever on gays "losing" us the election. People making that claim are upset and generally in a state (shared) of post-election depression. Their anger is displaced, and you're getting it unfairly.

I'm not gay, but I've known many throughout my life who are, and their sexuality is clearly not a choice. The people who still believe that also still think the world is flat and that Santa shakes like a bowlful of jelly. (Speaking of which...where'd ya get that mildly disturbing Santa picture....?!)

As a Dem, and therefore a thinker, I am sometimes at odds with my own party. However, all in all, they're still the best to get the job done for us. We all know, way, way, way deeeeeeep down, that a third party will not make a go of it in our lifetimes.

So please, ignore the dweebs and let's stick together. We all need each other...still!

(We are family...la la la...)

I see another hijacked thread. The news on the new recounts is wonderful! Thanks for posting!

Speaking of which...where'd ya get that mildly disturbing Santa picture....?!)


I found it on a gay artist's site,which I won't add a link to cause some of his works aren't family fare.What you find mildly distutbing I find sexy, different strokes...
I explained on another thread what bears are in the gay community,(hairy bodied men that don't have a 29" waist and are no longer in their 20's.)

here's the bear flag

Source: http://www.gp.org/tenkey.html

Ten Key Values of the Green Party

As ratified at the Green Party Convention in Denver, CO, June 2000.

1. GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY
Every human being deserves a say in the decisions that affect their lives and not be subject to the will of another. Therefore, we will work to increase public participation at every level of government and to ensure that our public representatives are fully accountable to the people who elect them. We will also work to create new types of political organizations which expand the process of participatory democracy by directly including citizens in the decision-making process.

2. SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY
All persons should have the rights and opportunity to benefit equally from the resources afforded us by society and the environment. We must consciously confront in ourselves, our organizations, and society at large, barriers such as racism and class oppression, sexism and homophobia, ageism and disability, which act to deny fair treatment and equal justice under the law.

3. ECOLOGICAL WISDOM
Human societies must operate with the understanding that we are part of nature, not separate from nature. We must maintain an ecological balance and live within the ecological and resource limits of our communities and our planet. We support a sustainable society which utilizes resources in such a way that future generations will benefit and not suffer from the practices of our generation. To this end we must practice agriculture which replenishes the soil; move to an energy efficient economy; and live in ways that respect the integrity of natural systems.

4. NON-VIOLENCE
It is essential that we develop effective alternatives to society’s current patterns of violence. We will work to demilitarize, and eliminate weapons of mass destruction, without being naive about the intentions of other governments. We recognize the need for self-defense and the defense of others who are in helpless situations. We promote non-violent methods to oppose practices and policies with which we disagree, and will guide our actions toward lasting personal, community and global peace.

5. DECENTRALIZATION
Centralization of wealth and power contributes to social and economic injustice, environmental destruction, and militarization. Therefore, we support a restructuring of social, political and economic institutions away from a system which is controlled by and mostly benefits the powerful few, to a democratic, less bureaucratic system. Decision-making should, as much as possible, remain at the individual and local level, while assuring that civil rights are protected for all citizens.

6. COMMUNITY-BASED ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE
We recognize it is essential to create a vibrant and sustainable economic system, one that can create jobs and provide a decent standard of living for all people while maintaining a healthy ecological balance. A successful economic system will offer meaningful work with dignity, while paying a “living wage” which reflects the real value of a person’s work.

Local communities must look to economic development that assures protection of the environment and workers’ rights; broad citizen participation in planning; and enhancement of our “quality of life.” We support independently owned and operated companies which are socially responsible, as well as co-operatives and public enterprises that distribute resources and control to more people through democratic participation.

7. FEMINISM AND GENDER EQUITY
We have inherited a social system based on male domination of politics and economics. We call for the replacement of the cultural ethics of domination and control with more cooperative ways of interacting that respect differences of opinion and gender. Human values such as equity between the sexes, interpersonal responsibility, and honesty must be developed with moral conscience. We should remember that the process that determines our decisions and actions is just as important as achieving the outcome we want.

8. RESPECT FOR DIVERSITY
We believe it is important to value cultural, ethnic, racial, sexual, religious and spiritual diversity, and to promote the development of respectful relationships across these lines.

We believe that the many diverse elements of society should be reflected in our organizations and decision-making bodies, and we support the leadership of people who have been traditionally closed out of leadership roles. We acknowledge and encourage respect for other life forms than our own and the preservation of biodiversity.

9. PERSONAL AND GLOBAL RESPONSIBILITY
We encourage individuals to act to improve their personal well-being and, at the same time, to enhance ecological balance and social harmony. We seek to join with people and organizations around the world to foster peace, economic justice, and the health of the planet.

10. FUTURE FOCUS AND SUSTAINABILITY
Our actions and policies should be motivated by long-term goals. We seek to protect valuable natural resources, safely disposing of or “unmaking” all waste we create, while developing a sustainable economics that does not depend on continual expansion for survival. We must counterbalance the drive for short-term profits by assuring that economic development, new technologies, and fiscal policies are responsible to future generations who will inherit the results of our actions.

Ten Key Values from other state and local Greens.
There is no authoritative version of the Ten Key Values of the Greens. The Ten Key Values are guiding principles that are adapted and defined to fit each state and local chapter.

You!
Go!!
Under!!!
Bear!!!!

(Like bears okay. The picture's still disturbing. )

How you can NOT love the Green's values? Seems like common sense government to me. I wish the dems would start pushing closer to this ideal so this idealized culture would be a little more attainable, rather than leaving it to an ineffective third party to shoulder the burden of bringing it to reality.

Green party sounds good to me. I've always been a tree hugger.

I'm the biggest tree-hugger I know.

The difference is:

The Greens hug the trees.
The Dems bust ass to pass legislation to save said trees.

Go, Dems! Guys, face it, it's our only real hope.

You think KERRY had a hard time getting elected...?

Just try a Green candidate next time! I love 'em, but...lots of luck! <_<