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ARMYDAD
THOUGH I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS HAS TO SAY THIS (ANTI-NEO-CON) FORMER REAGAN CABINET MEMBER DOES MAKE SOME VERY INTERESTING POINTS ABOUT THE DIRECTION THE NATION IS HEADING = THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

IT WAS SENT TO ME BY A BRO IN VETERANS FOR COMMON SENSE WHICH I'M NOT A MEMBER OF.


This article comes pretty close to describing the current situation. That it is written by:

"Paul Craig Roberts who was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration...Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review"

which should give it credibility for those who doubt the uniqueness and seriousness of the current crisis.

Dave


An Era of End-Timers and Neo-Cons
Whatever Happened to Conservatives?
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

November 26, 2004

I remember when friends would excitedly telephone to report that Rush Limbaugh or G. Gordon Liddy had just read one of my syndicated columns over the air. That was before I became a critic of the US invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration, and the neoconservative ideologues who have seized control of the US government.

America has blundered into a needless and dangerous war, and fully half of the country's population is enthusiastic. Many Christians think that war in the Middle East signals "end times" and that they are about to be wafted up to heaven. Many patriots think that, finally, America is standing up for itself and demonstrating its righteous might. Conservatives are taking out their Vietnam frustrations on Iraqis. Karl Rove is wrapping Bush in the protective cloak of war leader. The military-industrial complex is drooling over the profits of war. And neoconservatives are laying the groundwork for Israeli territorial expansion.

The evening before Thanksgiving Rush Limbaugh was on C-Span TV explaining that these glorious developments would have been impossible if talk radio and the conservative movement had not combined to break the power of the liberal media.

In the Thanksgiving issue of National Review, editor Richard Lowry and former editor John O'Sullivan celebrate Bush's reelection triumph over "a hostile press corps." "Try as they might," crowed O'Sullivan, "they couldn't put Kerry over the top."

There was a time when I could rant about the "liberal media" with the best of them. But in recent years I have puzzled over the precise location of the "liberal media."

Not so long ago I would have identified the liberal media as the New York Times and Washington Post, CNN and the three TV networks, and National Public Radio. But both the Times and the Post fell for the Bush administration's lies about WMD and supported the US invasion of Iraq. On balance CNN, the networks, and NPR have not made an issue of the Bush administration's changing explanations for the invasion.

Apparently, Rush Limbaugh and National Review think there is a liberal media because the prison torture scandal could not be suppressed and a cameraman filmed the execution of a wounded Iraqi prisoner by a US Marine.

Do the Village Voice and The Nation comprise the "liberal media"? The Village Voice is known for Nat Hentoff and his columns on civil liberties. Every good conservative believes that civil liberties are liberal because they interfere with the police and let criminals go free. The Nation favors spending on the poor and disfavors gun rights, but I don't see the "liberal hate" in The Nation's feeble pages that Rush Limbaugh was denouncing on C-Span.

In the ranks of the new conservatives, however, I see and experience much hate. It comes to me in violently worded, ignorant and irrational emails from self-professed conservatives who literally worship George Bush. Even Christians have fallen into idolatry. There appears to be a large number of Americans who are prepared to kill anyone for George Bush.

The Iraqi War is serving as a great catharsis for multiple conservative frustrations: job loss, drugs, crime, homosexuals, pornography, female promiscuity, abortion, restrictions on prayer in public places, Darwinism and attacks on religion. Liberals are the cause. Liberals are against America. Anyone against the war is against America and is a liberal. "You are with us or against us."

This is the mindset of delusion, and delusion permits of no facts or analysis. Blind emotion rules. Americans are right and everyone else is wrong. End of the debate.

That, gentle reader, is the full extent of talk radio, Fox News, the Wall Street Journal Editorial page, National Review, the Weekly Standard, and, indeed, of the entire concentrated corporate media where noncontroversy in the interest of advertising revenue rules.

Once upon a time there was a liberal media. It developed out of the Great Depression and the New Deal. Liberals believed that the private sector is the source of greed that must be restrained by government acting in the public interest. The liberals' mistake was to identify morality with government. Liberals had great suspicion of private power and insufficient suspicion of the power and inclination of government to do good.

Liberals became Benthamites (after Jeremy Bentham). They believed that as the people controlled government through democracy, there was no reason to fear government power, which should be increased in order to accomplish more good.

The conservative movement that I grew up in did not share the liberals' abiding faith in government. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Today it is liberals, not conservatives, who endeavor to defend civil liberties from the state. Conservatives have been won around to the old liberal view that as long as government power is in their hands, there is no reason to fear it or to limit it. Thus, the Patriot Act, which permits government to suspend a person's civil liberty by calling him a terrorist with or without proof.
Thus, preemptive war, which permits the President to invade other countries based on unverified assertions.

There is nothing conservative about these positions. To label them conservative is to make the same error as labeling the 1930s German Brownshirts conservative.

American liberals called the Brownshirts "conservative," because the Brownshirts were obviously not liberal. They were ignorant, violent, delusional, and they worshipped a man of no known distinction. Brownshirts' delusions were protected by an emotional force field. Adulation of power and force prevented Brownshirts from recognizing implications for their country of their reckless doctrines.

Like Brownshirts, the new conservatives take personally any criticism of their leader and his policies. To be a critic is to be an enemy. I went overnight from being an object of conservative adulation to one of derision when I wrote that the US invasion of Iraq was a "strategic blunder."

It is amazing that only a short time ago the Bush administration and its supporters believed that all the US had to do was to appear in Iraq and we would be greeted with flowers. Has there ever been a greater example of delusion? Isn't this on a par with the Children's Crusade against the Saracens in the Middle Ages?

Delusion is still the defining characteristic of the Bush administration. We have smashed Fallujah, a city of 300,000, only to discover that the 10,000 US Marines are bogged down in the ruins of the city. If the Marines leave, the "defeated" insurgents will return. Meanwhile the insurgents have moved on to destabilize Mosul, a city five times as large. Thus, the call for more US troops.

There are no more troops. Our former allies are not going to send troops. The only way the Bush administration can continue with its Iraq policy is to reinstate the draft.

When the draft is reinstated, conservatives will loudly proclaim their pride that their sons, fathers, husbands and brothers are going to die for "our freedom." Not a single one of them will be able to explain why destroying Iraqi cities and occupying the ruins are necessary for "our freedom." But this inability will not lessen the enthusiasm for the project. To protect their delusions from "reality-based" critics, they will demand that the critics be arrested for treason and silenced. Many encouraged by talk radio already speak this way.

Because of the triumph of delusional "new conservatives" and the demise of the liberal media, this war is different from the Vietnam war. As more Americans are killed and maimed in the pointless carnage, more Americans have a powerful emotional stake that the war not be lost and not be in vain. Trapped in violence and unable to admit mistake, a reckless administration will escalate.

The rapidly collapsing US dollar is hard evidence that the world sees the US as bankrupt. Flight from the dollar as the reserve currency will adversely impact American living standards, which are already falling as a result of job outsourcing and offshore production. The US cannot afford a costly and interminable war.

Falling living standards and inability to impose our will on the Middle East will result in great frustrations that will diminish our country.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.
david sobien
This guy is a conservative? I feel that I am a moderate yet I agree with him. Perhaps It is not a matter of political leanings but the ability to recognize the facts or truth without religion or blind faith in Bush entering into your ability to think.
ARMYDAD
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When the draft is reinstated, conservatives will loudly proclaim their pride that their sons, fathers, husbands and brothers are going to die for "our freedom." Not a single one of them will be able to explain why destroying Iraqi cities and occupying the ruins are necessary for "our freedom." But this inability will not lessen the enthusiasm for the project. To protect their delusions from "reality-based" critics, they will demand that the critics be arrested for treason and silenced. Many encouraged by talk radio already speak this way.

Because of the triumph of delusional "new conservatives" and the demise of the liberal media, this war is different from the Vietnam war. As more Americans are killed and maimed in the pointless carnage, more Americans have a powerful emotional stake that the war not be lost and not be in vain. Trapped in violence and unable to admit mistake, a reckless administration will escalate.


HERE IS WHERE I TEND TO DISAGREE WITH MR. ROBERTS.

NOW I DO AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT HE SAYS ABOVE, AND I BELIEVE THAT IT IS SOMETHING WHICH PATRIOTIC AMERICANS MUST BE PREPARED TO PROTEST AND FIGHT AGAINST IF THEY WISH TO SAVE OUR NATION.


HOWEVER, HE DOESN'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE ANTI-BUSH WAR MOVEMENT TO KNOW THAT ELECTING JOHN KERRY WAS THE ONLY SANE THING KEEPING THE PEACE MOVEMENT FROM GROWING BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS AND HITTING THE STREETS. FOR THE NEO-CONS TO DO WHAT ROBERTS PROJECTS MAKES THE VIETNAM ANTI-WAR PROTESTS OF THE 1960S LOOK LIKE A SQUARE DANCE BECAUSE OF THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO VOTED AGAINST GEORGE BUSH.

THROW IN THE STIGMA OF THE DRAFT AND AS LONG AS IT INCLUDES ONLY THOSE WHO SUPPORT BUSH'S WAR (THOSE ON THE RELIGEOUS RIGHT OR WHO BLINDLY FOLLOW HIS NEO-CON VIEWS) FINE, BUT THE DRAFT WILL FOCUS ON THE CHILDREN OF THE POOR.

GIVEN MOST OF THIS RESOURSE IS "ALREADY" IN THE MILITARY THE ONLY SOURCE LEFT IS IN THE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES = THE CHILDREN OF REPUBLICANS. THERE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IS WHERE THIS WAR WILL BE "EXACTLY" AS THE VIETNAM WAR WAS!!!

FOR YOU SEE THE VIETNAM ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT WAS NOT BEGUN NOR LED BY THE KIDS OF DEMOCRATS OR VIETNAM VETERANS AGAINST THE WAR. IT WAS BEGUN AND LED BY THE CHILDREN OF REPUBLICANS. THE CHILDREN OF THE ELITE OF THE NATION WHO DID NOT WANT TO GO FIGHT AND DIE IN VIETNAM BASED ON LIES TOLD BY THIER GOVERNMENT.

IT IS OK FOR OTHER POOR STIFFS TO "VOLUNTEER" TO GO BUT ASK "THEM" TO GO, AND OUR COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES WILL BECOME HOTBEDS OF DISSENT. MARK MY WORDS.
david sobien
I believe Kerry got the majority of the college vote because of the draft possibility. But the biggger price tag of the Bush policy is the decline of the US dollar. The fall of the dollar will cause inflation and lower living standards. I purchased $60,000 worth of German Government Bonds in June of this year. They are now worth $66,000 not including interest which is paid in Euros. I can protect myself to a certain extent because I am an experiensed investor. However those Walmart shopers out there will be screwed. Walmart itself will be screwed because is stores are mostly located in poor red state areas. It is fitting that the red state people voted their own demise.
ETC1966
QUOTE(david sobien @ Nov 30 2004, 08:16 PM)
I believe Kerry got the majority of the college vote because of the draft possibility.
Which was a lie in the first place.
QUOTE(david sobien @ Nov 30 2004, 08:16 PM)
But the biggger price tag of the Bush policy is the decline of the US dollar. The fall of the dollar will cause inflation and lower living standards. I purchased $60,000 worth of German Government Bonds in June of this year. They are now worth $66,000 not including interest which is paid in Euros. I can protect myself to a certain extent because  I am an experiensed investor.
So, you OUTSOURCED $60K that you could have invested in Costco?!?
QUOTE(david sobien @ Nov 30 2004, 08:16 PM)
However those Walmart shopers out there will be screwed. Walmart itself will be screwed because is stores are mostly located in poor red state areas. It is fitting that the red state people voted their own demise.

Everyone who buys stuff that's made in China is already contributing to their ultimate demise as we continue to send them billion of dollars. At the rate we're going, all the states are going to be "red" for a different reason.
david sobien
An update for ETC. Those bonds are now worth $68,000. Walmart same store sales are flat this holiday season. Costco stock is still to richly valued for me to purchase. However I purchased some Australian government bonds last week. They are up slightly but they pay almost 6% interest. I have no confidence in the Bush people to manage the economy. I am slowly buying foreign securities as the dollar falls in value. Not every US corporation will suffer. A lot of them are really multinational and can protect themselves as the dollar falls. Can you?
ETC1966
QUOTE(david sobien @ Dec 7 2004, 08:37 PM)
An update for ETC. Those bonds are now worth $68,000. Walmart same store sales are flat this holiday season. Costco stock is still to richly valued for me to purchase. However I purchased some Australian government bonds last week. They are up slightly but they pay almost 6% interest. I have no confidence in the Bush people to manage the economy. I am slowly buying foreign securities as the dollar falls in value. Not every US corporation will suffer. A lot of them are really multinational and can protect themselves as the dollar falls. Can you?

Hi, Dave, sorry for the long time in responding, I've been busy.

I'm not totally up to speed on the money market, but isn't it a BAD idea to spend US dollars on foreign securities when the dollar is weak? You'll give them 60,000 weak dollars now, but when the dollar rebounds, won't they pay you back in fewer stronger dollars, or lots of weaker Euros? I don't know the whole thing seems like gambling to me. Seems the brokers are the only ones who really make out.

I'm doing okay. I don't have nearly as much $ to play around with as you. I dabble a bit, but mostly I look for value stocks that plummet due to nasty but survivable news that lowers their value temporarily, and I buy it at a bargain.

Frankly, I think the government shouldn't try to manage the economy, but they seem to be doing okay.

As much stuff as we buy they are stupid for not skimming a modest 1% off all imports. No one is going to notice that % and it equals a ton of $.
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