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BG, still a Kerry supporter
Here's a controversial article:

http://www.onlinereviewofbooks.com/essays/0412miglio.html

How Democrats Enabled
Republicans To Steal the
2004 Presidential Election

By J. F. Miglio

Since the presidential election, there have been hundreds, perhaps thousands, of stories on the Internet (and even a few in the mainstream news media) about voter fraud and how easily the 2004 presidential election could have been rigged by the Bush Administration and their corporate allies, Diebold and ES & S, the companies in charge of counting a majority of all the votes in American today.

What isn't being discussed, however, is the Democratic Party's complicity in this year's presidential election farce. If you recall, after the 2000 presidential election, Democrats claimed they were madder than hell about voter fraud, reiterating ad infinitum how the Supreme Court "stole" the election from Al Gore and vowed it would never happen again.

Given their level of anger and righteous indignation, most Americans who voted against George W. Bush assumed that as soon as he slithered into the oval office, the leaders of the Democratic Party would rush to their desks to write legislation that would remedy the problem of voter fraud-- once and for all.

In addition, the anti-Bush crowd believed that once Democratic leaders wrote the legislation, that if the Republicans in Congress tried to block it, the Democratic leaders would immediately call press conferences, make the rounds on all the news shows, and proclaim to the American public in the boldest way possible how the Bush Administration was trying to block legislation that mandated open and honest elections with fail safe back up systems and paper trails to verify each vote.

Unfortunately, this never happened. Instead, most Democrats (including John Kerry) got sidetracked by 9/11 and the war in Iraq, allowed two years to pass, and then let the Republicans seize the initiative. How? By allowing the Information Technology Association of America (ITAA), a lobbying group representing technology firms like Diebold and ES & S, to push legislation through Congress favorable to their interests. As a result, a bill was written called the Help Americans Vote Act (HAVA) of 2002.

Ostensibly, the bill was a bipartisan piece of legislation that was supposed to ameliorate the punch card voting problems that had plagued the 2000 presidential election by using touch screen vote counting machines. In addition, it was supposed to make the entire voting process fairer and more transparent.

The bill was written by two Republicans, Mitch McConnell and Robert W. Ney (of Ohio-- surprise, surprise!), and two Democrats, Steny Hoyer and Chris Dodd (a "Golden Leash" award-winner for taking special interest money), and it passed overwhelmingly in both houses of Congress, receiving praise from Democrats and Republicans alike. Steny Hoyer even went as far as to refer to HAVA as "the first Civil Rights Act of the 21st Century."

Incredible as it seems, the legislation did nothing to restrict the pervasive control and partisan influence that Diebold and ES & S lorded over the election process, nor did it use language precise enough to mandate that any company that manufactured electronic vote counting machines had to produce a paper trail to verify the authenticity of voter selections.

In essence, HAVA was a complete sham, an extraordinary giveaway to the Republicans, and Diebold and ES & S got exactly they wanted: carte blanche to sell their paperless, touch screen voting machines all over the country. And as soon the Congress shelled out $3.8 billion to state governments for the acquisition of new touch screen voting machines that replaced the old punch card ballots, Diebold and ES & S were there to cash in-- big time!

Once the Democrats realized what a monumental mistake they had made with HAVA, they tried to rectify it. Bob Graham and Rush Holt wrote the Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2003, which would have mandated a paper trail for all electronic voting machines. In addition, Hillary Clinton wrote her own bill (although weaker than the Graham-Holt bill) asking for better vote counting procedures. Naturally, both bills were stalled out in committee, and they had no chance of passage before the 2004 election.

And here's the kicker: After the aforementioned bills were presented to Congress, both Chris Dodd and Steny Hoyer, the Democrats who co-wrote the HAVA legislation, opposed the two pieces of legislation introduced by their fellow Democrats that would have given it more teeth.

Now let's do a little critical thinking and ask some obvious questions:

1) Why did Chris Dodd and Steny Hoyer go against their fellow Democrats who proposed legislation that would have strengthened the bill and made it more difficult for companies like Diebold and ES & S to do business? Could it be that they received campaign contributions from ITAA?

2) Why did so many Democrats sign on to the bill in the first place, knowing it did nothing to diminish the pervasive influence of Diebold and ES & S? Didn't they know that both these companies received financial backing from billionaire Howard Ahmanson, an ultra right-wing financier who, over the past several years, has contributed millions of dollars to fundamentalist Christian organizations, the Heritage Foundation, and other right-wing groups in tight with George W. Bush?

3) Is it possible that many Democrats were simply unaware of Diebold, ES & S and Ahmanson? Possible, but if they weren't aware, they should have been, because ever since the 1990s, there were numerous reports about their influence on elections, including a nice little piece in 1996 when Republican Chuck Hagel, who at the time had a major financial interest in ES &S, ran for the U.S. Senate and won "stunning upsets" in both the primaries and the general election. ...Read More

4) In case Democrats missed that news item, were they also dozing through the 2002 mid-term elections when fellow Democrats, including the enormously popular Max Cleland of Georgia, were losing Congressional elections across the country in which Democrats were ahead by wide margins in the polls, only to lose in "amazing upsets" at the end of the race?

5) Were Democrats also unaware that the word was out that the mid-term Congressional elections were a "trial run" for the upcoming presidential election? And if Diebold and ES & S machines were successful at "counting the votes" to assure Republican victories during the mid-term elections, wouldn't it be logical to assume they would also be successful at counting the votes for Bush in the presidential election?

Finally, if the Democrats knew the answers to these questions, or at least to some of them, then it follows that the DNC and John Kerry knew all along they were entering an election that would be decided not by American voters, but by individuals in charge of counting the votes and individuals in charge of reporting the results of the votes, i.e., Diebold, ES & S, and the corporate-controlled mainstream news media.

Which explains why Kerry threw in the towel so quickly after the election, and why mainstream Democrats didn't challenge the results. The $64,000 question is, if Kerry knew the election was stacked against him from the beginning, why did he bother to run?

This is where it gets really dark and depressing. Go back to the Democratic primary when Howard Dean, the man who said, "I represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party," was ascending faster than a Roman candle at a Fourth of July celebration. Then ask yourself this question: Who torpedoed his candidacy?

Not the Republicans. No, it was the DNC and their friends in the media. And why did the DNC and their friends in the media destroy Howard Dean? Because Dean was portraying himself as a populist who was trying to change the system and make it more equitable for average Americans, an anathema to the financial backers of the Democratic Party, i.e., all the large corporations and special interests that also donate millions to the Republican Party.

And once Dean was destroyed, the Democratic Party power brokers knew they couldn't lose. They knew Kucinich and Sharpton, two other populists, had no chance to win, and the rest of the candidates were all mainstream Democrats who knew their place and would be loyal to the Big Business interests of the party.

But getting back to the question of why Kerry bothered to run if he knew the deck was stacked against him. This is where its gets even darker and more depressing.

Given the pervasive power of Diebold and ES & S over vote counting procedures, Hillary Clinton knew she couldn't win, so she passed on running for president in 2004, perhaps positioning herself for 2008-- if she can do something about the voting counting process in the meantime, that is!

This left the field wide open for everyone else, namely, all the second shelf candidates who were at best long shots. With Dean gone, Kerry emerged as the presumptive candidate, but he knew, given the vote counting situation, there was only one way for him to win the general election: He had to prove to the financial backers of both political parties, as well as the mega-corporations that own the mainstream media, that he would not change the system; he would only fine tune it and do a better job than their boy Bush.

Of course he knew it was a long shot, since Bush was already the consummate stooge for Big Business and the poster boy for the unholy alliance between born-again Christians and conservative Jews. But, if he could show that Bush was just too damn incompetent and dangerous to run the country in an age of terrorism, maybe, just maybe, they would shift their allegiance to him.

But, to quote the right-wing pundits, "Kerry never made his case." In other words, the power brokers decided to stick with Bush, and they tweaked the election in his favor rather than Kerry's.

This explains why the mainstream news media is doing their best to ignore the election fraud story while at the same time underscoring the Republican proposal to get rid of exit polls, traditionally the most accurate polls, and the best deterrent against election fraud caused by easily hacked computerized vote counting machines. It also explains why Kerry accepted his defeat with humility-- the same way Al Gore did-- and didn't bother to put up a fight.

As it turns out, Ralph Nader was right all along: A vote for Kerry was just a vote for the same corrupt corporate system that supports both parties. And listen up, all you Democrats and Progressives who derided Ralph Nader. You owe him a public apology! He stuck to his principles and never caved in to all his friends and admirers who begged him to drop out. He was too wise for that. He had been fighting the system for too long to be suckered by Democratic Party propaganda.

In fact, he tried to tell everyone that the Democrats and Republicans were part of the same hypocrisy; part of the same corrupt system, but no one was listening. "Anyone but Bush!" was the clarion call from Democrats and Progressives alike. "Please, Ralph, don't spoil it for us like you did in the last election! Step aside!"

But Nader knew in his heart that he wasn't the one who caused Al Gore to lose the last election, any more than he would be the one to cause John Kerry to lose this one. Indeed, St. Ralph knew the truth: the fix for the presidential election was in from the very beginning.

The Democratic insiders knew it too; so did the Republicans. The only ones who didn't know it were all the well-intentioned chumps who stood in line on Election Day, idealistically believing their votes really did make a difference.

For their sake, I hope I'm wrong about all this. I hope John Kerry surprises me and comes charging into the news arena on a white horse, kicking up dust, exposing the election as a fraud, and demanding Bush's head on a spear. It would make a great end to a movie or a novel. As Hemingway said in the last line of The Sun Also Rises: "Isn't it pretty to think so?"
BG, still a Kerry supporter
hmm...lots and lots of speculation in this piece, too much for my taste. the bit about the voting legislation is interesting.

and the final lines, even though meant to be sarcastic, get to be a bit too violent for my taste.
DefeatBush
There is more truth in that article than most people are capable of believing right now.
darkblood
Well, you and everyone else are always welcome at the Green party. We don't take corporate bribes.
veritas
PLOT HOLE - this would either require Howard Dean to be duped by Senator Kerry or to be disingenuous to the public about his support for Senator Kerry (because of knowledge or participation in such a scheme himself), both situations falling outside the hypotheses posed in the essay and contradicting the author's admiring view of Governor Dean (which I share).

What I do find myself wondering CONSTANTLY, though, is who the bigger HYPOCRITES are, Democrats or Republicans - very rare exceptions of both parties excluded.
mommadona
QUOTE(veritas @ Dec 2 2004, 01:39 PM)
What I do find myself wondering CONSTANTLY, though, is who the bigger HYPOCRITES are, Democrats or Republicans  - very rare exceptions of both parties excluded.
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DefeatBush
QUOTE(veritas @ Dec 2 2004, 02:39 PM)
PLOT HOLE - this would either require Howard Dean to be duped by Senator Kerry or to be disingenuous to the public about his support for Senator Kerry (because of knowledge or participation in such a scheme himself), both situations falling outside the hypotheses posed in the essay and contradicting the author's admiring view of Governor Dean (which I share).

What I do find myself wondering CONSTANTLY, though, is who the bigger HYPOCRITES are, Democrats or Republicans  - very rare exceptions of both parties excluded.
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I agree, the "conspiracy" idea proposed it way too neat -- but the underlying concept that both parties are in the grips of US power-elites is quite accurate, IMHO.
DefeatBush
QUOTE
As it turns out, Ralph Nader was right all along: A vote for Kerry was just a vote for the same corrupt corporate system that supports both parties. And listen up, all you Democrats and Progressives who derided Ralph Nader. You owe him a public apology! He stuck to his principles and never caved in to all his friends and admirers who begged him to drop out. He was too wise for that. He had been fighting the system for too long to be suckered by Democratic Party propaganda.



QUOTE(darkblood @ Dec 2 2004, 02:15 PM)
Well, you and everyone else are always welcome at the Green party.  We don't take corporate bribes.
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The problem isn't the Democratic Party rank and file-- it's the DLC-type corporate fake-"Centrist" party leadership.

If the few more enlightened Democrats abandon the party, that will only further strengthen the corporate-militarist grip on the party and screw the vast majority.

Perhaps it would be better if the Greens became "Green Democrats" and worked with others to take back the Democratic Party, rather than remaining marginalized in our two-party system.

Notice that the Christian Right was savvy enough not abandon the Republican Party and marginalize themselves in a third party-- instead they formed coalitions and helped extremist Conservatives TAKE OVER the Party and move it far to the Right.

Nader may have "stuck to his principles" --- and I agree with most of them -- but what both he and the Green Party lack is a *realistic* strategy to create a *majoritarian* national party/coalition with a *majoritarian populist ideology* capable of derailing the Right-wing fake-populist ideological and electoral juggernaut.

One good thing: Kerry's defeat has partially discredited the DLC-corporatist party leadership. There is at least an opportunity now to take back the party. Had Kerry won that would have been nearly impossible. It still is unlikely -- but if things worsen under Bush people may become more radicalized.
DefeatBush
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With Dean gone, Kerry emerged as the presumptive candidate, but he knew, given the vote counting situation, there was only one way for him to win the general election: He had to prove to the financial backers of both political parties, as well as the mega-corporations that own the mainstream media, that he would not change the system; he would only fine tune it and do a better job than their boy Bush.

...if he could show that Bush was just too damn incompetent and dangerous to run the country in an age of terrorism, maybe, just maybe, they would shift their allegiance to him.

But, to quote the right-wing pundits, "Kerry never made his case." In other words, the power brokers decided to stick with Bush, and they tweaked the election in his favor rather than Kerry's.



That's an unlikely hypothesis, to put it civilly.

More believable: Kerry and the DLC-fake'Centrist' corporatist-militarist-party battled Bush and the corporate-militarist Republican Party in a real contest not controlled by a tight conspiracy of "financial elite power brokers".

While voter fraud may have made the difference on the margins, and may even have swung the election, it was not a pre-ordained conspiracy where a monolithic group of "financial backers" got into a room and decided to go with Bush instead of Kerry and then sent out the word to have the Diebold machines carry out the decision. The fraud in Ohio and Florida came right out of the Republican Party -- and the extremely partisan Republican secretary of States in those states. The Republican Party-- the Rove Machine-- defeated Kerry and the DLC-controlled Democratic Party, and no phone call from a "financial-elite King-maker" would have overturned their winning strategies and tactics.

No, the competition between various factions of the corporatist elites is REAL, and that competition takes place in real electoral campaigns following the rules of the demagogic electoral game . There may have been some violations of those rules via voter fraud, but going from that fact to a conspiracy of "financial backers" to fix the result is simply illogical and counter-factual.

Consider some of the real differences between the agendas of the two (currently) corporatist-militarist parties -- not the domestic economic and "values issues" differences of the demagogic campaigns, but the differences that financial elites would be most interested in:

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http://qcpages.qc.edu/newlaborforum/html/12_3article9.html

The Economics of Empire
By Walden Bello

Excerpts:

Globalization is the accelerated integration of capital, production, and markets globally, a process driven by the logic of corporate profitability. It is defined by the ideological hegemony of neoliberalism, which focuses on “liberating the market” through privatization, deregulation, and trade liberalization.

There were, broadly, two versions of neoliberal ideology—a “hard” Thatcher-Reagan version [Bush] and a “soft” Blair-Soros version (globalization with “safety nets”) [Kerry]. But underlying both approaches was the unleashing of market forces, and the removing or eroding of constraints imposed upon transnational firms by labor, the state, and society.

[snip: details about several crises in the globalization project]

The globalist corporate project expressed the common interest of the global capitalist elites in expanding the world economy and their fundamental dependence on one another. However, it did not eliminate competition among the national elites. In fact, the ruling elites of the United States and Europe had factions that were more nationalist in character as well as more tied for their survival and prosperity to the state, such as the military-industrial complex in the United States.

Indeed, since the eighties, there has been a sharp struggle between a section of the ruling elite stressing the common interest of a global capitalist class, and the more nationalist faction that wanted to ensure the supremacy of U.S. corporate interests.

As Robert Brenner has pointed out, the policies of Bill Clinton and his treasury secretary Robert Rubin put prime emphasis on the expansion of the world economy as the basis of the prosperity of the global capitalist class. For instance, in the mid-1990’s, they pushed a strong dollar policy to stimulate the recovery of the Japanese and German economies, so that they could serve as markets for US goods and services. The earlier, more nationalist Reagan administration, on the other hand, had employed a weak dollar policy to regain competitiveness for the U.S. economy at the expense of the Japanese and German economies.[3]

With the George W. Bush administration, we are back to the weak dollar and other economic policies that are meant to revive the U.S. economy at the expense of the other center economies. Several features of this approach are worth stressing:

* Bush’s political economy is very wary of a process of globalization that is not
managed by a U.S. state
, to ensure that the process does not diffuse the economic power of the United States. Allowing the market solely to drive globalization could result in key U.S. corporations becoming the victims of globalization. Thus, despite the free market rhetoric, we have a group that is very protectionist when it comes to trade, investment, and the management of government contracts. It seems that the motto of the Bushites is protectionism for the United States and free trade for the rest.

* The Bush administration is wary of multilateralism as a way of global

economic governance since while multilateralism may promote the interests of the global capitalist class in general, it may often contradict particular U.S. corporate interests. The Bush coterie’s growing ambivalence towards the WTO stems from the fact that the United States has lost a number of rulings there, rulings that may hurt U.S. capital but serve the interests of global capitalism as a whole.

* For the Bush people, strategic power is the ultimate modality of power.

Economic power is a means to achieve strategic power. This is related to the fact that under Bush, the dominant faction of the ruling elite is the military-industrial establishment that won the Cold War.

The conflict between globalists and unilateralists (or nationalists)
along this axis is shown in the approach toward China. The globalist approach puts the emphasis on engagement with China, seeing its importance primarily as an investment area and market for U.S. capital. The nationalists, on the other hand, see China mainly as a strategic enemy, and they would rather contain it rather than assist its growth.

If these are seen as the premises for action, then the following prominent elements of recent U.S. economic policy make sense:

* Achieving control over Middle East oil. While it did not exhaust the war aims of the administration in invading Iraq, it was certainly high on the list. With competition with Europe becoming the prime aspect of the trans-Atlantic relationship, this was clearly aimed partly at Europe. But perhaps the more strategic goal was to preempt the region’s resources in order to control access to them by energy poor China, which is seen as the United States’s strategic enemy.[4]

* Aggressive protectionism in trade and investment matters. The US has piled up one protectionist act after another. One of the most brazen is its stymieing of WTO negotiations over vital matters of public health. On behalf of the powerful pharmaceutical lobby, it staunchly resists the loosening of patent rights to drugs on all but three diseases. While it seems perfectly willing to see the WTO negotiations unravel, Washington has put most of its efforts into signing up countries to bilateral or multilateral trade deals such as the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas (FTAA) before the EU gets them into similar deals. Indeed the term “free trade agreements” is a misnomer since these are actually preferential trade deals.

* Incorporating strategic considerations into trade agreements. In a recent speech, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick stated explicitly that “countries that seek free trade agreements with the United States must pass muster on more than trade and economic criteria in order to be eligible. At a minimum, these countries must cooperate with the United States on its foreign policy and national security goals, as part of 13 criteria that will guide the U.S. selection of potential FTAA partners.” New Zealand, perhaps one of the governments most committed to free trade, has nevertheless not been offered a free trade deal because it has a policy that prevents nuclear ship visits, which the U.S. government feels is directed at the United States.[5]

* Manipulation of the dollar’s value to force rival industrial economies to shoulder costs, thereby regaining competitiveness for the US economy. While the Bush administration has denied that this is a beggar-thy-neighbor policy, the U.S. business press has seen it for what it is: an effort to revive the U.S. economy at the expense of the European Union and other center economies.

* Aggressive manipulation of multilateral agencies to push the interests of U.S. capital. While this might not be too easy to achieve in the WTO owing to the weight of the European Union, it can be more readily done at the World Bank and the IMF, where U.S. dominance is more effectively institutionalized. For instance, the IMF management proposed a Sovereign Debt Restructuring Mechanism (SDRM) which would enable developing countries to restructure their debt, while giving them some protection from creditors. Already a very weak mechanism, the SDRM was vetoed by the U.S. Treasury in the interest of U.S. banks, though it had the support of many European governments.[6]

[snip]
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As Frances Fitzgerald observed in Fire in the Lake, the promise of extending liberal democracy was a very powerful ideal that accompanied American arms during the Cold War

Today, however, Washington or Westminster-type liberal democracy is in trouble throughout the developing world, where it has been reduced to a façade for oligarchic rule, as in the Philippines, pre-Musharraf Pakistan, and throughout Latin America. In fact, liberal democracy in America has become both less democratic and less liberal. Certainly, few in the developing world see a system fueled and corrupted by corporate money as a model.

The Bush people are not interested in creating a new Pax Romana. What they want is a Pax Americana where most of the subordinate populations like the Arabs are kept in check by a healthy respect for lethal American power, while the loyalty of other groups such as the Philippine government is purchased with the promise of cash.

With no moral vision to bind the global majority to the imperial center, this mode of imperial management can only inspire one thing: resistance.


The great problem for unilateralism is overextension, or a mismatch between the goals of the United States and the resources needed to accomplish these goals. Overextension is relative, that is, it is to a great degree a function of resistance. An overextended power may, in fact, be in a worse condition even with a significant increase in its military power if resistance to its power increases by an even greater degree. Among the key indicators of overextension are the following:

* the inflaming of Arab and Muslim sentiment in the Middle East, South Asia, and Southeast Asia, resulting in massive ideological gains for Islamic fundamentalists—which was what Osama bin Laden had been hoping for in the first place;
* the collapse of the Cold War Atlantic Alliance and the emergence of a new countervailing alliance, with Germany and France at the center of it;

* the forging of a powerful global civil society movement against US unilateralism, militarism, and economic hegemony, the most recent significant expression is the global anti-war movement;

* the coming to power of anti-neoliberal, anti-US movements in Washington’s own backyard—Brazil, Venezuela, and Ecuador—as the Bush administration is preoccupied with the Middle East;

* an increasingly negative impact of militarism on the U.S. economy, as military spending becomes dependent on deficit spending, and deficit spending become more and more dependent on financing from foreign sources, creating more stresses and strains within an economy that is already in the throes of stagnation.

In conclusion, the globalist project is in crisis. [DB: how deep it is is debatable] Whether it can make a comeback via a Democratic or Liberal Republican presidency should not be ruled out, especially since there are influential globalist voices in the U.S. business community—among them George Soros—that are voicing opposition to the unilateralist thrust of the Bush administration.[8] This, however, is unlikely, and unilateralism will reign for some time to come.

We have, in short, entered a historical maelstrom marked by prolonged economic crisis, the spread of global resistance, the reappearance of the balance of power among center states, and the reemergence of acute inter-imperialist contradictions. We must have a healthy respect for U.S. power, but neither must we overestimate it. The signs are there that the U.S. is seriously overextended and what appear to be manifestations of strength might in fact signal weakness strategically.
searchingforsanity
QUOTE(DefeatBush @ Dec 2 2004, 11:22 PM)
That's an unlikely hypothesis,  to put it civilly.

More believable:  Kerry and the DLC-fake'Centrist'  corporatist-militarist-party  battled Bush and the corporate-militarist Republican Party in a real contest not controlled by a tight conspiracy of "financial elite power brokers".   

While voter fraud may have made the difference on the margins, and may even have swung the election, it was not a pre-ordained conspiracy where a monolithic group of "financial backers" got into a room and decided to go with Bush instead of Kerry and then sent out the word to have the Diebold machines carry out the decision.  The fraud in Ohio and Florida came right out of the Republican Party -- and the extremely partisan  Republican secretary of States in those states.    The Republican Party-- the Rove Machine-- appears to have stolen the election from Kerry and the DLC-controlled Democratic Party,  and no phone call from a "financial-elite  King-maker" would have overturned their winning strategies and tactics.

No, the competition between various factions of the corporatist elites is REAL,  and that competition takes place in real electoral campaigns following the rules of the demagogic electoral game .  There may have been some violations of those rules via voter fraud, but going from that fact to a conspiracy of "financial backers" (other than those working solely for Rove) to fix the result is simply illogical and counter-factual. 

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Ditto! (with edits in blue and yellow)
DefeatBush
QUOTE(searchingforsanity @ Dec 2 2004, 05:33 PM)
Ditto! (with edits in blue and yellow)
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You might want to look into it a little deeper and see if those edits are really warranted by reality (as opposed to the interestes of the Democratic Party corporatist leadership).

Start by looking at Kerry's history with the DLC, and who ran his campaign and the DLC-modeled strategy it followed. Then take a look at Kerry's key Clintonian corporatist economic advisors -- find their names, research their backgrounds and corporate connections. . Then take a look at Kerry's militarist national security advisors-- learn their names, their associations with the Carlye Group, the PPI, the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) etc. If you do that honestly and thoroughly then you will have no doubt that Kerry represented a DLC-corporate-militarist Democratic Party in this election.
DefeatBush
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KERRY/EDWARDS GAVE ME FALSE HOPE

THE TRUTH WILL BE REVEALED, BUT FEW WILL LISTEN


Ditto! (with edits in blue)
JunkYardDogg
The first half of the opening article is correct
The mainstream, Democratic Leadership did little or no research into the incestuous relationship of the Bush Regime to the E-Voting Equipment Industry.
That's why they don't have a clue into why America got Reamed on this Election
If you noticed, there was absolutely no emphasis or training put on monitoring
the E-vote equipment by the Poll-Watchers and the Ghost 17,000 attorneys.
It is not surprising that the Dems didn't read or understand HAVA
A few months ago, the Senate voted to get rid of some of the bad parts of the
Patriot Act, it lost by one (1) vote- a Liberal Senator from Washington, who professed to be a strong Kerry supporter voted against the measure, why, because he was not familiar with the Patriot Act, he hadn"t read it (!!!!!), so he didn't vote for the measure.
As far as the second posting about the Economic Foundation of the Bush Regime, this is good, but it does not take into account the fact that the Bush Regime is
A Dominionist Based Regime-

see The Yurica Report:
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/Th...ngOfAmerica.htm
Religious Extremism means more to this Regime than ANYTHING Else
As long as they can Shove their Religious Agenda down America's throat, than they will let Unrestrained Business greed run wild
Their God for Every body and more money for the Military/Industrial Sector
searchingforsanity
QUOTE(DefeatBush @ Dec 2 2004, 11:54 PM)


Ditto! (with edits in blue)
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Didn't mean to offend. And more people are listening---on C-SPAN (that was a national call-in, the best) and PBS and MSNBC, more to come I'm sure.
CeilidhSeisuns
QUOTE(DefeatBush @ Dec 2 2004, 07:47 PM)
There is more truth in that article than most people are capable of believing right now.
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Hear! Hear!

This article is the best analysis of the whole damn pathetic situation, together with some damning facts that i wasn't aware of previously.
lawnorder
Dark & depressing read. It makes TOO MUCH sense to be ignored...

The HAVA and Diebold problems were evident. How did the entire DNC missed it ?
lawnorder
QUOTE(DefeatBush @ Dec 2 2004, 01:47 PM)
There is more truth in that article than most people are capable of believing right now.
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I suspected so...

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The real Question: Why are we still w/ Diebold
by lawnorder

http://lawnorder.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/8/4141/26995

Mon Nov 8th, 2004 at 04:14:01 CDT

Why are we only doing this fuss about Diebold  NOW ?
WTF didn't the DNC fight this before ? They had 4 years. It's not like all those Diebold vulnerabilities were unknown. In 4 years there was enough time to stress test several e-voting methods and decide which one was more reliable

2001-2003 evidence Diebold's system was flawed
There were countless reports in the media about Diebold's flaws. Also, the system was used for the first time in Florida's 2002 primary elections with pitiful results

DNC asleep at the wheel ?
The DNC had an army of lawyers at their disposal, experts gallore to consult, plenty of time and all the resources that one of 2 top parties in the country have

Yet Dems let an obviously hackable program take away their victory. What does it mean ? The DNC was naive ? So why should they get the WH and face  Bin Laden, Zarqawi and other world menaces ? This election was minor league stuff. Sure we were all otherwise occupied, but what makes the DNC think things would be simpler when administering a country ?

They want to go to the World Series after just getting creamed in T-ball ?!?!?

2001-2003 evidence Diebold's system was flawed
There were countless reports in the media about Diebold's flaws. The company was so lax with security that it had it's own computer wide open to the Internet, without even a password protection. The computer which housed the programs for the election, it's source code and internal company e-mails about fraud was found in early 2003 by concerned IT experts and all the election programs had their flaws exposed in academia and the press.

The IT experts were only confirming what empirical evidence had found out: The code had been used for the first time in Florida's 2002 primary elections with pitiful results

Let's go through the timeline

    * November 2000: Problems with election Results
    * February 2001: Katheirne Harris declares: Florida will not buy e-votes now (Link
    * Mid 2001: Diebold chosen as FL e-voting supplier
    * September 2002: FL uses Diebold on the primaries for 2002 election, with pitiful results Link
    * December: 2003 - Diebold selected in Ohio Link

I worked for a couple of Fortune 500 companies. In the ones I worked you would NEVER buy an important system without going through stress test, pilot tests, etc..

Christ, not even 3rd world country companies do this half arse job of selecting a computer system!

It's un-freakin-believable that the US Government would give this job to a company with such weak security that had all it's own e-mail and source code wide open to the Internet until last year...

You military guys, tell me, would this half arse job of procuring a computer system fly on the navy/ army/ air force mission critical systems ? I don't think so. I remember trying to sell stuf to US Govt. Just the basic requirements to be a supplier were a mile long...

Ford and the other Big 3 carmakers require ISO 9000 certified quality procedures or they won't even TALK to a supplier. How come Diebold gets selected without even being worth an ISO 9 ?

(Yeah I know it's a different standard but my point is they are 1000 times inferior to an ISO 9000 certified company and nevertheless were selected for one of our country's most important task!).

It's like if the president of the country, suddenly needs some surgery done and instead of sending experts and taking him to the best hospitals we send him to my garage to be treated by my 3 yr old playing doctor!!!

There are standards equivalent to ISO 9000 to certify software and it's software design process. For instance, Carnegie Mellon university has SEI

"ISO 9000" for Software
The Software Engineering Institute (SEI)
The Software Engineering Institute (SEI) is a federally funded research and development center sponsored by the U.S. Department of Defense through the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics

The SEI works with leading-edge software developers and acquirers to apply and validate the new and improved practices. SEI staff members help the DoD solve specific software engineering and acquisition problems by applying these practices.

The SEI's core purpose is to help others make measured improvements in their software engineering capabilities and to develop the right software, delivered defect free, on time and on cost, every time.

    * To be successful, integrated teams of developers, acquirers, and software users must have the necessary software engineering skills and knowledge to ensure that the right software is delivered to end users.
    * 'Right software' implies software that satisfies requirements for functionality, performance, and cost throughout its lifetime
    * 'Defect-free' software is achieved either through exhaustive and endless rework or by developing the code right the first time. The SEI's body of work in technical and management practices is focused on developing it right the first time,,which results not only in higher quality, but also in predictable and improved schedule and cost"

http://www.sei.cmu.edu/about/about.html

like taping your PIN to your ATM card
Posting unprotected source codes for a commercial product on the Web is rare and considered unspeakably stupid in the computer world, so, word spread quickly, and a computer scientist at Stanford University told Dr. Rubin. Dr. Rubin, in turn called in Adam Stubblefield, a doctoral student at Hopkins, and Tadayoshi Kohno, a summer graduate student, telling them they needed to drop everything and come see what was on his computer. What they were looking at, they concluded, was a program compiled in 2000 and its April 2002 update, apparently posted so programmers could work on it. It was nothing less than the programming that made the voting machines voting machines.

The students pored over 49,609 lines of "code," computer language commands that look like hieroglyphics to anyone not trained as a programmer. One line blew them away. It means nothing to laymen, but it was enough to make Dr. Rubin's hair stand on end.

#define DESKEY ((des_key* "F2654hd4".

All commercial programs have provisions to be encrypted, protected by secret code so that no one could read or change the contents without the encryption key. That is particularly true of programs that require transmission by telephone or wireless networks. The line that staggered the Hopkins team told them first, that the method used to encrypt the Diebold machines was a method called Digital Encryption Standard (DES), a code that was broken in 1997 and is no longer used by anyone to secure programs. F2654hd4 was the key to the encryption.

The programmers had done the equivalent of putting the family jewels in a safe, putting up a blinking neon sign reading "Jewels in Here!" and taping the lock's combination to the safe door. Moreover, because the key was in the source code, all Diebold machines responded to the same key. Unlock one, you can unlock them all.

That was only one of the problems Dr. Rubin's team found. The computer language used to write the program, C++, is never recommended for secure programs because hackers can -- and do -- attack it easily. There are other programming languages far more secure that the Diebold programmers ignored, perhaps because they didn't know them well.

Additionally, all large computer programs, which can sometimes run into the hundreds of thousands of lines, are written by teams and therefore are extensively annotated. One programmer or a team puts in an instruction and then adds a note explaining why it was done that way. Other programmers can add comments or base what they do on the reasoning in the comments. Or, they can use the annotations to hunt for bugs when the program misbehaves.

Dr. Rubin said that when he worked for IBM one summer, there were three pages of notes for every line of code, and no line was added until committees of reviewers approved. Whole pages of the Diebold source code were without annotations or signs of review, something you don't see on professionally written programs, he said. Some of the annotations that existed even warned that the code contained unfixed bugs. Clearly, Dr. Rubin thought, Diebold was not using the top of the class at M.I.T. to write programs for its voting machines.

The code is so badly written, Dr. Rubin shows sections to audiences at computer science conferences to get laughs.

http://www.jewishtimes.com/scripts/edition...onID=48&ID=2435


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Poll
The best time to bring up Diebold's flaws is/was

1) After the election, i.e, now, when we found ourselves loosing it

2) 2-3 months before the election

3) In 2002 right after Diebold's first use in FL primary was riddled with problems

4) Jan 2001, right after the Gore/ Bush mess

5) Tomorrow

6) Who cares, we lost, move on, nothing to see here

7) Shhh... Do you want the DNC to publicly admit it was naive and got hoodwinked by a bunch of hicks ?
searchingforsanity
This article can be found on the web at
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010430&s=lantigua

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How the GOP Gamed the System in Florida
by JOHN LANTIGUA

[from the April 30, 2001 issue]

On July 10, 2000, in the midst of the presidential campaign, GOP candidate George W. Bush addressed the national NAACP convention in Baltimore and denounced such "new forms of racism" as racial profiling and redlining. But even as he spoke, a very old, traditional form of racism was being implemented in Florida: the disfranchisement of eligible voters, especially blacks, which helped Bush win that state and the election.

Despite one well-reported incident involving a police checkpoint near a polling place, disfranchisement 2000-style did not depend on intimidation. Cattle prods and attack dogs, the legacy of former Birmingham Commissioner of Public Safety Bull Connor, were nowhere in evidence. Instead, Florida state elections officials and hired data crunchers used computers to target thousands of voters, many of whom were then purged from the voter rolls without reason. And many thousands more saw their votes thrown out as a result of error-prone voting machines and poorly designed ballots, the results of an underfunded and chaotic electoral system.

In all, some 200,000 Floridians were either not permitted to vote in the November 7 election on questionable or possibly illegal grounds, or saw their ballots discarded and not counted. A large and disproportionate number were black.

Florida's black leaders, already engaged in an emotional, bitter confrontation with Governor Jeb Bush, George W. Bush's brother, had mounted an unprecedented voter registration effort to defeat candidates they saw as political enemies. According to exit polls, 65 percent more black voters went to the polls in Florida in 2000 than in the 1996 election, and of the votes that were counted, blacks went at least 9 to 1 for Democrat Al Gore. But the votes that were tallied were not enough. After the US Supreme Court cut off ballot recounts, Bush had a margin of 537 votes out of more than 5.8 million cast. The closeness of the final count made all votes not cast and not counted that much more crucial. (As one example, the Palm Beach Post recently reported that Gore lost 6,600 votes in Palm Beach County alone because of the infamous butterfly ballot, more than ten times Bush's margin of victory.)

State officials deny racist intent in their actions, but the US Commission on Civil Rights conducted two hearings in Florida in January and February to determine why so many Floridians were denied the right to vote. In a preliminary assessment, the commission noted that the Voting Rights Act of 1965 "was aimed at subtle, as well as obvious, state regulation and practices" that could deny citizens the right to vote because of their race. The commission said it found evidence of "prohibited discrimination" in Florida's polling process. A final report is due this summer.

The NAACP and others filed suit on January 10 against Secretary of State Katherine Harris, who was a co-chair of the campaign and is responsible for the conduct of fair elections in Florida, and other Florida officials, charging them with violating the Fourteenth Amendment and the 1965 Voting Rights Act. The suit demands many reforms of the Florida electoral system.

But no future remedy can undo what happened in 2000, only a portion of which has been revealed through the hearing, the suit and media reports. "They done got us," said civil rights veteran Elmore Bryant of Marianna, Florida, referring to the GOP-mandated purge of voter rolls. "They had themselves a game and we had no game. The old leaders in the '60s wouldn't have let this happen. We woulda had us a game too, but we didn't. They done got us good."

The stage for the November 7 election and the effort by black leaders to defeat George W. Bush was set during Jeb Bush's initial and unsuccessful run for governor in 1994. During a debate in Tampa on July 27 of that year, Bush was asked by a journalist what he would do for Florida's black community if he was elected. His answer was both concise and prophetic. "Probably nothing," he said, explaining that he favored what he called "equality of opportunity" for all Floridians. Four years later, when he ran again, he avoided such candor. But although he won, he was backed by only 10 percent of the state's blacks, according to exit polls. In his first year in office, Bush then eliminated most affirmative action programs benefiting minorities and women, substituting a plan he called the One Florida Initiative. That program ended guaranteed minority and female set-asides in state hiring, in the awarding of state contracts (only 1 percent of state spending for merchandise and services went to minority-owned firms as it was, according to the Miami Herald) and in university admissions. Polls had shown that such a move would be popular with the white majority in the state. Black and feminist leaders called it a betrayal.

After the Governor refused to meet with them to discuss his policy, two black state legislators staged a twenty-hour sit-in at Bush's suite of offices. At one point Bush was overheard saying, "Kick their asses out of here," although an aide later claimed he was referring to journalists. Bush apologized to the public for his language but not his policy. The sit-in attracted statewide support from blacks, women's groups and other Floridians, forcing Bush to accept a series of public hearings. Thousands of citizens crowded those sessions and other demonstrations, verbally bludgeoning both the One Florida Initiative and Bush. Black student movements, dormant for years, were resurrected. Even members of his own party called Bush's tactics highhanded. But with an overwhelming GOP majority in the legislature and conservative Democrats eager to help, Bush pushed through his One Florida plan.

State Senator Kendrick Meek, one of the two sit-in heroes, labeled the moment the lowest point in Florida racial relations in the past thirty-five years. He and other African-Americans called for a statewide voter registration campaign to defeat their political enemies at all levels, starting with the Governor's brother. "We didn't need George W. doing to the whole nation what Jeb was doing to Florida," said Elmore Bryant.

In September 1999, the NAACP pledged $9 million to a nationwide voter registration campaign, and $400,000 was eventually earmarked for Florida, the most important battleground of all. Black leaders barnstormed the state registering voters, an effort that reminded many of the 1960s civil rights movement. "There was a tremendous spirit just then, like the old days," said Vivian Kelly of Gadsden County, another longtime civil rights campaigner.

Thus the stage was set for Election Day 2000, when the black vote went from 10 percent of the state total in 1996 to 16 percent, according to exit polls. Some 300,000 more blacks voted than four years before--and that only includes those who were actually allowed to vote. But while black Floridians were registering in unprecedented numbers, state officials were busy removing other blacks from the voting rolls. After a 1997 Miami mayoral election, the Miami Herald discovered that 105 people had voted despite having felonies on their records and having never received clemency, making them ineligible under Florida law. The article, part of a series that helped overturn that election because of voter fraud, also revealed that of the total number of felons found on the county voter rolls, 71 percent were registered Democrats.

Within weeks, the GOP-controlled state legislature passed a sweeping voter fraud bill despite an unprecedented effort by county elections supervisors to block it. The measure would unfairly thwart citizens from voting instead of encouraging voter turnout, said the supervisors, who actually conduct elections. Among other provisions, the bill called for the strict enforcement of an 1868 law that took the vote away from all former prisoners who had not received clemency, no matter how long they had been out of prison and out of trouble. Florida is one of only fourteen states that do not automatically restore civil rights to former prisoners who have completed their sentence and parole. Florida's former prisoners must petition the Office of Executive Clemency for the restoration of their civil rights, and the final decision is made by the governor and three other members of the Cabinet, all of whom are partisan politicians. Before the voter fraud bill passed, a black Democratic legislator proposed another bill, to grant automatic restoration of rights after completion of sentence and parole, but it never made it out of committee.

That lawmaker had good reason to worry. Blacks would bear the brunt of this voter purge. While the population of Florida is about 15 percent black, the population of Florida prisons is 54 percent black. Once released and having completed parole, former prisoners have often found clemency difficult if not impossible to achieve. According to literature provided to former prisoners by the state, individuals can be denied the restoration of their civil rights for many reasons, including the possibility that they owe child support (which a father coming out of jail probably does), a history of drug or alcohol problems and even traffic offenses.

Although the state claims the process of applying for clemency was simplified somewhat in 2000, only 927 former prisoners regained their civil rights last year, less than one-half of 1 percent of the former prisoners who had finished their sentences and parole. State Senator Meek, who has a large number of blacks in his constituency, says that of 175 former prisoners whom he has helped apply for clemency in the past decade, only nine have been approved.

According to the Washington-based Sentencing Project, a nonprofit organization specializing in corrections issues, and Human Rights Watch, Florida is currently home to more disfranchised voters than any other state. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement admits that 187,455 former prisoners in Florida have been disfranchised because of felony convictions on their records. The state confirms that 17 percent of Florida's black voting-age males have been disfranchised. In addition, according to the Justice Department, Florida leads the nation in the rate at which juveniles are charged with felonies, meaning those youths lose the right to vote before they are ever able to exercise it.

"And every year the Florida legislature is trying to make more crimes felonies," says State Senator Daryl Jones of Miami. "Why? So they can eliminate more people from the voter rolls." In 2000, according to Jones, a bill was proposed by a GOP legislator that would have increased from 365 to 366 days the jail sentence for individuals who take two welfare checks after becoming employed. The bill was eventually defeated. "What does one more day accomplish?" asks Jones. "It makes it a felony, and you take one more person off the voter rolls. That's what. It's been going on in Tallahassee for years."

By April 1998 the laws and political will were in place to perform a definitive purge of voter rolls to remove people who had died, had been judged mentally unstable, had moved and were registered in more than one county or state--and, most significantly, had ever been convicted of a felony but had not had their rights restored by Florida's partisan Cabinet members.

The first list was produced by a Tallahassee firm, Professional Analytical Services and Systems, using state databases. The results proved to be full of errors. For one thing, the Florida Office of Executive Clemency had no database, so former prisoners who had won their rights back were often included on the list of felons barred from voting. On August 18, 1998, then-director of the Division of Elections Ethel Baxter, citing confidentiality concerns, ordered county elections supervisors not to release that list to the press, which almost certainly would have discovered the gross number of errors long before Election Day, and especially the impact on the black vote.

In November of that year, the state contracted with Database Technologies (DBT) of Boca Raton, which has since merged with ChoicePoint of Atlanta. DBT eventually produced two lists--one in 1999 and the second in 2000--that included a total of 174,583 alleged felons. Later, when lists of individuals who had received clemency were produced, that number was reduced, although only by a small percentage. The majority of the people on those lists were African-Americans. DBT employees didn't always appreciate the seriousness of their task. One e-mail between two such employees referred to the former prisoners they were enumerating as the "dirtbags of the nation." When DBT started to receive complaints, sometimes directly from voters who unjustly had had their right to vote challenged, product manager Marlene Thorogood seemed surprised. "There are just some people that feel when you mess with their 'right to vote' your [sic] messing with their life," she said in an e-mail.

And complaints did come in. More than a year before Election Day 2000, it was clear the lists contained thousands of names of Florida citizens who had never been convicted of felonies--or of any crime, for that matter. In some instances, the concentration of errors was absurd: Only seven people work in the Monroe County elections supervisors' office in Key West. One of those employees, along with the husband of another employee and the father of Supervisor Harry Sawyer, were all erroneously listed as having felony convictions. "And my father is a retired Sheriff's Department captain," said Sawyer. The lists were also absurdly sloppy: Some conviction dates were in the future. Angry voters by the thousands eventually complained to county supervisors of elections, who in turn complained to Tallahassee.

The point man for the state in compiling those lists was Emmett "Bucky" Mitchell IV, an assistant general counsel to the Florida Division of Elections, who within a week of the November 2000 election was given a senior attorney's job in the state Department of Education. In an interview with The Nation, Mitchell claimed he had exercised restraint in producing the purge lists. "The division always had the policy to err on the side of caution," he insisted. But reports from county supervisors, correspondence between state officials and DBT employees, and testimony before the Civil Rights Commission tell a completely different story.

By March 1999, four months after contracts had been signed, DBT officials already had doubts about the state's ground rules. According to testimony by ChoicePoint/DBT vice president George Bruder, a person could be included on the list if his or her name, date of birth and/or Social Security number closely approximated that of a known felon. In other words, in a state with 16 million people, where many individuals share approximate names and also dates of birth, exact matches were not necessary.

In March of 1999, Thorogood expressed her doubts about those guidelines in an e-mail to Mitchell: "Unfortunately, programming in this fashion may supply you with false positives," she said, referring to names of people who did not belong on the felons list. "This seems to be the approach you would prefer to choose, rather than miss any positive true matches." Mitchell made the state's position clear in his answer to Thorogood on March 23: "Obviously, we want to capture more names that possibly aren't matches and let the supervisors [of elections] make a final determination rather than exclude certain matches altogether," Mitchell wrote. In other words, the lists were designed to include people who were not felons, some of whom eventually fell through the cracks and were unfairly purged.

When supervisors began to complain about errors, Bruder said his company told the Divison of Elections that they were caused by the loose parameters set by the search, but Mitchell ordered no substantial change in the parameters despite recommendations by DBT. "After submitting them they were not acted on by the state," said James Lee, a spokesman for ChoicePoint/DBT. In fact, the next year, as the presidential election approached, the state asked that the parameters be loosened, according to Lee. Instead of 90 percent of the letters in the name of a person on the purge list having to match with those of someone on the voting rolls, the standard was loosened to 80 percent. Although such matches were often eliminated when Social Security numbers or other data were also checked, such information was not always available, and more innocent individuals were included on the felons list.

The state officials were not content to include only former Florida prisoners. They also asked DBT to use its national databases to provide the names of felons from other states who might have moved to Florida and registered. But some of those came from the thirty-six states that have automatic restoration of civil rights, including the right to vote. More than 2,000 such individuals were included on the state's purge lists. Following press and public attention to the situation after the election, the state quietly changed its policy [see Gregory Palast, "Florida's 'Disappeared Voters,'" February 5].

In May 2000 the process went totally awry. Some 8,000 names, mostly those of former Texas prisoners who were included on a DBT list, turned out never to have been convicted of more than a misdemeanor. The new elections director, Clay Roberts, later claimed the error had been caught in time and that none of those individuals lost their rights. But Mitchell admitted that other lists of alleged felons supplied to DBT by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement also contained errors, among them the inclusion of many people convicted only of misdemeanors.

In time, an appeals process was instituted, but in some cases it required ordinary citizens to be fingerprinted in order to prove they weren't the felons they were accused of being. In the end, out of 4,847 people who appealed, 2,430 were judged not to be convicted felons. As Civil Rights Commission attorney Bernard Quarterman put it during testimony in Miami on February 16, "They were guilty until proven innocent."

Elections supervisors in the counties, who had never been consulted about how to assemble the purge lists, battled with the mandate from Tallahassee. "Our experience with the lists is that they are frequently erroneous," Leon County Elections Supervisor Ion Sancho testified before the Civil Rights Commission in Tallahassee. Sancho said he was sent one list with 690 names on it but after detailed checking by his office only thirty-three people were sent letters asking them to prove their eligibility to vote.

In its assurances to the state before contracts were signed, DBT promised, on August 14, 1998, that the lists would be checked, including "telephonic verification of random records." But this procedure was later omitted from contracts, and the state never insisted that it be done. In fact, during one meeting between Mitchell and county supervisors in 1999, Mitchell specifically told supervisors not to try to contact listed individuals by phone, but only by the legally required route of the mails. Many would-be voters later said they had never received notification. "Mr. Mitchell said we shouldn't call people on the phone, we should send letters," said Linda Howell, supervisor for Madison County in north Florida. "The best and fastest way to check these matters was by phone, personal contact, but he didn't want that." She added, "We shouldn't have had to do any of this. Elections supervisors are not investigators, and we don't have investigators. It wasn't our responsibility at all."

In his interview with The Nation, Mitchell offered this rationale for the loose standards used in assembling the purge lists: "Just as some people might have been removed from the list who shouldn't have been, some voted who shouldn't have." In other words, because an ineligible person may have voted somewhere else, it was acceptable to deny a legitimate voter the right to vote. Mitchell said the loose parameters employed to create the purge list were approved by former head of the Division of Elections Ethel Baxter, after consultation with Katherine Harris. Neither Baxter nor Harris returned phone calls requesting comment.

The lists targeted black voters in extremely disproportionate numbers. In Hillsborough County, which includes Tampa, where only 15 percent of voters are black, 54 percent of the names on the purge list were African-Americans. In Miami-Dade, where blacks make up 20 percent of the population, a list of 5,762 people contained the names of 3,794 blacks, or 66 percent. In Leon County, which includes Tallahassee, the state capital, 29 percent of the people are black, but 55 percent of the purge list names were African-Americans.

In one Leon County case, the Rev. Willie David Whiting, a black pastor from Tallahassee, arrived at his polling place to find himself listed as a convicted felon; he was refused the right to vote despite never having spent a day in jail. He says he had never received notification of his disfranchisement. It turned out that he had been confused with a Willie J. Whiting, whose birthdate was two days away from his own, and was considered a match due to a "derived" or approximate name and birthdate. "I felt like I was slingshotted back into slavery," Whiting testified to the civil rights panel. He said he was forced to consider possible motives. "Does someone have a formula for stealing this election?" he says he asked himself.

The Division of Elections and DBT were also sharing their information, some of it false, with law enforcement agencies. Whiting said he was relieved he had not been stopped "by the wrong policeman" during the time he was incorrectly listed as a convicted felon. "Who knows what would have happened?" A Jacksonville resident, Richard Haywood, whose one felony marijuana conviction in 1972 had been expunged from his record, suddenly found himself not only on a purge list but also with the record of his conviction released by the state to a school to which he had applied for student aid. "I complied with the law and my record was expunged," said Haywood. "What they did was violate the law by releasing that information, and they messed with my life." Madison County Supervisor Howell agreed. "They were not taking their job seriously," she said, referring to state officials. "That could destroy a person's life."

It is impossible to know how many voters were unfairly kept away from the voting booth because of the purge. Votes not cast are not tallied. Some former prisoners who were notified they were on the purge lists expressed interest in applying for clemency and voting, but they were often faced with daunting amounts of paperwork. For example, if they had been convicted in a different county, they had to write away for certified copies of court records, some of them decades old, and then apply to Tallahassee. "Some of them had convictions in the 1940s and 1950s and had been voting for years," said Larry Roxby, deputy elections supervisor in Bay County.

Meanwhile, according to Roxby, the Office of Executive Clemency in Tallahassee had a backlog of six months to a year. "I'd say I had about sixty such people come to me over the past three years, and only about three of them ever got their clemency," said Roxby. "Seven or eight out of ten were blacks." Other supervisors reported similar instances of former prisoners who had been active voters for years but who were discouraged by the suddenly enforced clemency process. State law enforcement officials later said that based on past voting records, only about 10 percent of former prisoners might be expected to vote. In a highly contested election such as the one in 2000, that could be expected to increase. But even if one uses the state's own figures, out of 187,000 former prisoners who had completed parole but had not received clemency, close to 20,000 might have voted if they'd been permitted. State statisticians say, based on race and economic factors, that group could be expected to vote Democratic 75 percent of the time.

But if purging was the most egregious form of disfranchisement--and possibly the one deliberate attempt to reduce the Democratic vote--it wasn't the only cause of the reduced vote total. An underfunded elections system resulted in poor equipment being used in many counties, and ill-trained and sometimes ill-informed poll workers also kept voters from casting their ballots.

For months leading up to November 7, county supervisors had been sending lists of newly registered voters to Tallahassee, and it was clear that a large turnout could be expected, especially in the black community. But Secretary of State Harris and Division of Elections chief Clay Roberts testified that they never discussed that fact and the problems that might arise. The result was chaos at many polling places. Many eligible voters were turned away. Testimony by poll workers before the Civil Rights Commission, before an NAACP hearing in Miami on November 11 and interviews by The Nation make it clear that such incidents occurred in every corner of the state.

Some poll workers said dozens of people were not allowed to vote at their polling places, while others remembered only a few. But with some 6,000 polling places in the state, the numbers are significant. The NAACP suit cites voters who registered in plenty of time for the November 7 election, but whose names were never placed on the rolls and who were not allowed to vote. Some names of residents who took advantage of motor-voter legislation and registered at the same time that they obtained licenses from the Department of Motor Vehicles were not on voter rolls. Attempts to reach the offices of supervisors to clarify voters' eligibility were foiled by clogged phone lines in many of Florida's sixty-seven counties. Supervisors in some counties, obviously suspecting that such problems might occur, provided laptop computers with which poll workers could check central voter rolls. But only a small percentage of precincts received the laptops, and almost none were used in precincts that were majority black. In Miami-Dade, for example, out of eighteen laptops, only one was used in a black precinct.

Some poll workers, faced with an unprecedented tide of complaints, did their best to help. Others acted arbitrarily. The NAACP received complaints of voters who were in line at polling places by the 7 pm closing time but were turned away without being allowed to vote, which violates state guidelines. One Miami-Dade voter, Margarita Green, 75, testified before the Civil Rights Commission that she went to vote at her regular precinct but was not on the rolls. A poll worker informed Green that she had been removed from the rolls after she herself had called and requested it. "I never made such a phone call," said Green. "And how could they ever know it was really me who called? It makes no sense."

Some widows, who in decades past had shared the same Social Security numbers as their now-deceased husbands, showed up on lists of dead voters to be purged and therefore were informed they couldn't vote. The law allows people not listed on the rolls to vote by affidavit and then prove their eligibility later, but many poll workers knew nothing of that law and turned voters away. Similarly, a voter making an error on a ballot is entitled to hand the ballot in and obtain a replacement, but those requests were sometimes denied. Leaders of organizations for the disabled also testified that some polling places were ill equipped to allow them to vote.

An attorney for the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund testified to twenty-six specific incidents in the Orlando area where Latino voters were either denied the right to vote or were forced to argue with poll workers before they cast their ballots. PRLDEF cited polling places that could not provide bilingual ballots and had no bilingual poll workers to offer assistance, as required by the Voting Rights Act in precincts with large minority populations. The PRLDEF report said the problem may have disfranchised up to several thousand Latino voters around the state. Marlene Bastien, a Haitian leader from Miami, testified to similar problems in Haitian neighborhoods, which she said may have left hundreds of voters unable to cast ballots.

Black residents of southern Leon County complained of a Florida Highway Patrol checkpoint on a road leading to a polling place and said it amounted to harassment of black voters. Police authorities later testified that the stops involved routine vehicle inspections and pledged that no such checkpoints would be used on election days in the future.

Of the 179,855 votes that were cast but later discarded--either because they contained more than one vote for President or no detectable vote--again it is impossible to know exactly how many were cast by blacks, but statistics make it clear that African-Americans' votes were lost at much higher rates than those of other ethnic groups, involving tens of thousands of votes in total. Those statistics are directly tied to the now infamous and error-prone punch-card voting system.

In four of the counties in the state with the largest black populations--Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach and Duval--punch-card systems are used. Some 100,000 votes were discarded in those counties, more than half the discards in the state. According to a study by the Miami Herald, eighteen out of the nineteen precincts in the state with the highest rate of discards were majority-black precincts, all of which used punch-card systems. Seventy percent of Florida blacks were forced to use the punch-card system, a percentage higher than other ethnic groups. Subsequently the NAACP sued state officials to end the use of the punch-card system, which they say is used disproportionately in black communities and amounts to disfranchisement of tens of thousands of black voters.

During testimony before the Civil Rights Commission on January 11, Jeb Bush swore that he had no knowledge of or involvement in the staging of elections in Florida. Bush passed the buck to Katherine Harris, who also denied direct involvement in the polling process. What is known is that $100,000 requested by county elections supervisors for voter education--which would have helped voters use the punch-card system and decipher confusing ballots--was deleted from the Division of Elections budget.

Conservative Florida Democrats didn't do much better at overseeing the electoral process. Bob Crawford, state agriculture secretary and a member of the state Elections Canvassing Committee, testified on January 12 that he had heard nothing about disfranchisement of minorities on Election Day--this despite the fact that the NAACP had made headlines with a daylong hearing in Miami on November 11 about such irregularities.

The Florida Elections Commission, a state body charged with investigating voting irregularities, reported to the Civil Rights Commission in January that it had done no investigating because no formal complaint had been received, despite the public clamor by blacks.

On November 16, in the midst of the outcry over the butterfly ballot, the Palm Beach Post quoted Florida House Speaker Tom Feeney, a Republican, as saying, "Voter confusion is not a reason for whining or crying or having a revote. It may be a reason to require literacy tests." Literacy tests for the purpose of screening voters are, of course, unconstitutional.

Although they deny they did anything wrong themselves, these Florida leaders have said they will fix what is wrong with the Florida electoral system. The NAACP, however, is not convinced. Its suit demands that federal examiners oversee elections in specific counties in Florida for the next ten years, including the next two presidential contests, so that another election isn't hijacked.


There are a lot of truths in all these articles, but we all knew about the problems. We heard the rumblings of potential fraud involving the machines not several years ago, so we can conveniently claim a lapse in memory, but only weeks before when the "deliver Ohio" comment rang out in the news. Problem is why weren't people, like me and a lot of people here, not marching in the street and demanding that the machines not be used.

All these articles spinning the Democratic leadership into the enemy are distracting from the process to get to the bottom of election fraud. I read Joe Trippi's article and Bob Novak's, while Novak's was nasty, both painted Kerry as a weak candidate. I also read an analysis of Trippi's article that ripped at every statement he made about Kerry. All these article prove is that Bush and Rove pulled a fast one that may be more complex than meets the eye. There are volumes of articles pointing to real dangers---unholy alliances---and hundreds of people deep in the know and thousands more who could have made an attempt to avert the theft of this election.

I just want an investigation to go forward, then I'll know what happened on Nov. 2. The months, or years, leading up to that day will likely be made more clear as a result.
CeilidhSeisuns
QUOTE(DefeatBush @ Dec 2 2004, 10:01 PM)
I agree, the "conspiracy" idea proposed it way too neat -- but the underlying concept that both parties are in the grips of US power-elites is quite accurate, IMHO.
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You know, it's really very odd to me, when i hear or read erudite, cogent thinkers resort to perjorative accusuastion of "conspiracy theorists" when responding to analysis, theory or facts gathered during investigations, of occuring *events* and which beg to be explained, honestly and intelligently.

So i say here that i disagree with my friend's *conclusions*, that the analysis is way too neatly packaged. Many, many questions remain unmentioned, and unanswered after all. However, the writer offers an important perspective - vital but heretofore missing pieces of information which, after all, underscores your own analysis of Kerry's true corporate/militaristic alligiances.

Me thinks DefeatBush might be overly concerned of being misconstrued as a conspiracists, and therefore is quick to try and disassociate himself, by making the unwarranted aspersion first! tongue.gif Perhaps, we should reconsider the article as "Coincidental Theory" so we can leave the phony notion which asserts this is merely the scribblings of the "tin foil hat brigade" ? tongue.gif

Do i hear a second to my motion? cool.gif
CeilidhSeisuns
QUOTE(searchingforsanity @ Dec 3 2004, 03:44 AM)
Problem is why weren't people, like me and a lot of people here, not marching in the street and demanding that the machines not be used.

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I just want an investigation to go forward, then I'll know what happened on Nov. 2. The months, or years, leading up to that day will likely be made more clear as a result.
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The first question is an easy one to answer. I think you will recall, that Kerry boasted and lauded every single day right up to the end, that he had 17,000 lawyers and other observers all over the country, making sure that everyone who has a right to vote, will get to vote, and every vote will be counted.

He conveyed that promise, repeatedly, passionately and with a sense of absolute integrity, a man of his word, - so that all of us, who wanted so desperately to believe in his honesty and integrity, drank the kool aid - and then we went into cautious optimism mode hoping that his A Team suddently appear on their shining white horses to save the day, despite the rampant reports of voter suppresion weeks and days before November 2nd; despite the known conspiracy by Diebold's CEO promise to hand the election over to Bush. Despite everything, by Nov 2nd we needed desperately to believe in Kerry, we needed to believe his promise - so we waited. Some waited patiently, others like myself, called Kerry on the carpent for his premature concession speech, (since people were still casting their ballots) after we got over the shock.

That's why we didn't hit the streets en masse. Speaking of conspiracies, that was a brilliant strategy, wasn't it?

Very effective! it worked to keep the masses silent - allowing Bush to lay claim to a "mandate" so vile, so dangerous, so evil, so deadly, transforming the NeoCon regime to a FACISTS regime. The thing is, i'm not sure Kerry really understands this. Somehow, I had the impression, that he understood that much.


On the second point, i tried to convey this before. I was too quick to sign the petition for Congressional investigation.

Then i realied how much of a mistake that would be!!!

We need to hold a citizen investigation and force Congress to PROSECUTE.

But don't give Congress the authority over a citzen investigation.

They'll just COVER IT ALL UP.
DefeatBush
QUOTE(CeilidhSeisuns @ Dec 2 2004, 09:51 PM)
You know, it's really very odd to me, when i hear or read erudite, cogent thinkers resort to perjorative accusuastion of "conspiracy theorists" when responding to analysis, theory or facts gathered during investigations, of occuring *events* and which beg to be explained, honestly and intelligently. 

So i say here that i disagree with my friend's *conclusions*, that the analysis is way too neatly packaged. Many, many questions remain unmentioned, and unanswered after all.  However,  the writer offers an important  perspective - vital but heretofore missing pieces of information which,  after all,  underscores your own analysis of Kerry's true corporate/militaristic alligiances. 

Me thinks DefeatBush might be overly concerned of being misconstrued as a conspiracists, and therefore is quick to try and disassociate himself, by making the unwarranted aspersion first!
tongue.gif  Perhaps, we should reconsider the article as "Coincidental Theory" so we can leave the phony notion which asserts this is merely the scribblings  of the "tin foil hat brigade" ?    tongue.gif

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Well, first off I didn't use the oft-misused perjorative "conspiracy theory" epithet. Me thinks Ceilidh doth project too much.

I called the hypothesis in question a "conspiracy idea" -- which is what it is.

And I didn't simply reject it out of hand-- I agreed with many of the premises, but went on to state my specific view of the situation:

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More believable: Kerry and the DLC-fake'Centrist' corporatist-militarist-party battled Bush and the corporate-militarist Republican Party in a real contest not controlled by a tight conspiracy of "financial elite power brokers".

While voter fraud may have made the difference on the margins, and may even have swung the election, it was not a pre-ordained conspiracy where a monolithic group of "financial backers" got into a room and decided to go with Bush instead of Kerry and then sent out the word to have the Diebold machines carry out the decision. The fraud in Ohio and Florida came right out of the Republican Party -- and the extremely partisan Republican secretary of States in those states. The Republican Party-- the Rove Machine-- defeated Kerry and the DLC-controlled Democratic Party, and no phone call from a "financial-elite King-maker" would have overturned their winning strategies and tactics.

No, the competition between various factions of the corporatist elites is REAL, and that competition takes place in real electoral campaigns following the rules of the demagogic electoral game . There may have been some violations of those rules via voter fraud, but going from that fact to a conspiracy of "financial backers" to fix the result is simply illogical and counter-factual.

Consider some of the real differences between the agendas of the two (currently) corporatist-militarist parties -- not the domestic economic and "values issues" differences of the demagogic campaigns, but the differences that financial elites would be most interested in.


I would ask those who support the full thesis presented in that article this question:

What evidence is there that it WASN'T the Republican Party operatives et al who engineered any vote fraud, but rather a group of "power brokers" who might have pulled the switch for Kerry, had THEY chosen to?

Far from attacking "conspiracy theories" in general, I was positing what I thought was a more reasonable theory of a conspiracy regarding voter fraud:
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The fraud in Ohio and Florida came right out of the Republican Party


And I suggested it was a more reasonable theory than the one in the article which argued that:

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Kerry never made his case." In other words, the power brokers decided to stick with Bush, and they tweaked the election in his favor rather than Kerry's.


Ie, that there were "power brokers" --not Republicans--who might have gone for either Kerry or Bush; who controlled the voting machines and had listened to Kerry's pitch to them that THEY decide in his favor because he was a more competent corporatist-militarist than Bush--and after listening to that pitch, decided to stay stick with Bush instead of pulling the plug on Bush and Rove.
CeilidhSeisuns
DefeatBush stated:

"Well, first off I didn't use the oft-misused perjorative "conspiracy theory" epithet. Me thinks Ceilidh doth project too much. I called the hypothesis in question a "conspiracy idea" -- which is what it is. "


Ok, point taken. I was half kidding, but for the sake of brevity, i'll stand corrected. smile.gif


You said:

"And I didn't simply reject it out of hand-- I agreed with many of the premises..."

I tried to make that point.


You said:

"but went on to state my specific view of the situation:
I would ask those who support the full thesis presented in that article this question:

"What evidence is there that it WASN'T the Republican Party operatives et al who engineered any vote fraud, but rather a group of "power brokers" who might have pulled the switch for Kerry, had THEY chosen to? "

Doesn't the article imply, if not suggest such a possible scenario? (That's how i read it). Maybe I "projected" the theory that's it's more about Corporate power brokers - who have no "allegiance" to either party - only the party that can deliver for them what it is they intend to keep. (POWER over Citizens Rights)


Far from attacking "conspiracy theories" in general, I was positing what I thought was a more reasonable theory of a conspiracy regarding voter fraud:
And I suggested it was a more reasonable theory than the one in the article which argued that:
Ie, that there were "power brokers" --not Republicans--who might have gone for either Kerry or Bush; who controlled the voting machines and had listened to Kerry's pitch to them that THEY decide in his favor because he was a more competent corporatist-militarist than Bush--and after listening to that pitch, decided to stay stick with Bush instead of pulling the plug on Bush and Rove.
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Ok.. I was confused.

I thought you were also arguing that the voter/election fraud wasn't necessarily a Republican conspiracy per se, in the strictest sense, but more of a Corporatist/Militarist conspiracy - which is what the article implies, and which is also courting unprecedented favor with this administration.

I happen to think, that the theory the article suggests, is likely not too far off the mark given the strategists and functionaries involved in both the DNC/DLC and the GOP. Look, there's a reason why Kerry conceded so pre-maturely, and only a blithering idiot would believe for a moment, that Kerry actually did not know how wide spread election fraud was in past years, much less expect to believe that he wasn't aware of how pervasive it would be in this election. So why then, did he refuse to lend support to honest, hard working heroic citizen groups like Bev Harris and blackboxvoting.org ?

Something smells rotten in Denmark, as they say.

What's happened, is that voter fraud has been revealed in places like Riverside California, and reports where the Dems threw a previous year election in Los Angeles. They actually shut down the tabulating machines in process. STOPPED THE MACHINES FROM COUNTING!! And the tally was favoring a DEMOCRAT!
(The reasons is way too complicated to go into here)

There are devious machinations and subterfuge which would seemingly defy logic, it's impossible to handle the notion that party members would actually throw an election which favored their own party, doesn't it? And once this kind of information gets out to the electorate, what does that do but chisel away at confidence in an election system, which by all rights, SHOULD BE ABOLISHED!

The Powers that Be (which is not you or me) likes the fraudlent/phony election system just fine - it WORKS to KEEP everything greased in their favor.

look, it's going to be years before we're likely to know ALL the specifics in this election. Maybe some of these resigning cia operatives will turn whistle blower, and with any luck publish EVERYTHING and expose the Bush Crime Family and this entire thing wide open. Enough to hang 'em all from the highest tree and bring this facists nightmare to an end.
DefeatBush
QUOTE(CeilidhSeisuns @ Dec 3 2004, 12:09 AM)
I happen to think, that the theory the article suggests, is likely not too far off the mark given the strategists and functionaries involved in both the DNC/DLC and the GOP.
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If you look at the article's argument closely, you might notice an absurdity at its core.

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Kerry  had to prove to the financial backers of both political parties, as well as the mega-corporations that own the mainstream media, that he would not change the system; he would only fine tune it and do a better job than their boy Bush.


Okay. The argument is that Kerry knew the election was rigged and that the "power brokers" would be making the real decision not the voters- and he tried --unsuccessfully --to convince them *he* would be a more competent corporate-militarist running the White House than Mr. Bush.

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Of course he knew it was a long shot, since Bush was already the consummate stooge for Big Business and the poster boy for the unholy alliance between born-again Christians and conservative Jews. But, if he could show that Bush was just too damn incompetent and dangerous to run the country in an age of terrorism, maybe, just maybe, they would shift their allegiance to him.
But, to quote the right-wing pundits, "Kerry never made his case." In other words, the power brokers decided to stick with Bush, and they tweaked the election in his favor rather than Kerry's.

This explains why the mainstream news media is doing their best to ignore the election fraud story while at the same time underscoring the Republican proposal to get rid of exit polls, traditionally the most accurate polls, and the best deterrent against election fraud caused by easily hacked computerized vote counting machines. It also explains why Kerry accepted his defeat with humility-- the same way Al Gore did-- and didn't bother to put up a fight.



Okay, let's assume that theory "explains" Kerry's actions.

But if the theory is correct, we should all be glad Kerry lost! -- since it claims that Kerry would have likely been a more competent corporate-militarist servant to the "mega corporations" than Bush.

And furthermore, we should pretty much care less about the voter fraud, since the REAL fraud was the charade that the election presented a real choice. If both candidates were corporate-militarists with the same fundamental loyalty to the "financial elites, power brokers, and mega-corporations" -- and the FRAUD was the creation of the ILLUSION that election was a historic choice between two totally different leaders with totally different policy agendas-- then who cares about the alleged vote-count fraud?

From that perspective, the allegations of vote-counting fraud would seem to be a HUGE DISTRACTION from the real MEGA-FRAUD of putting forward two corporate-militarists candidates and creating a national illusion for voters of both parties-- absorbing all their energies in their media-induced delusions that there was some big battle going on between two diametrically opposed forces of "Liberalism" and "Conservatism" -- with BOTH SIDES having totally illusory notions of what was at stake and what their candidate really stood for.

However, I take a different view: I argue that the election represented a real contest between two factions of the corporatist-militarist elites -- with real differences in policy agendas; a contest between "a section of the ruling elite stressing the common interest of a global capitalist class (Kerry, DLC Clintonian Democrats), and the more nationalist faction that wanted to ensure the supremacy of U.S. corporate interests (Bush and the neoconservative unilateralists, as Walden Bello describes it-- or something along those lines --"two versions of neoliberal ideology—a “hard” Thatcher-Reagan version [Bush] and a “soft” Blair-Soros version (globalization with “safety nets”) [Kerry] .

If that's the case -- if the contest was real, even though it was played on a field of voters illusions -- then whatever voter-count fraud occured was most likely an attempt by *partisan* operatives to win the election for one of the candidates-- ie, part of the Republican's bag of tricks.

But why then did Kerry not fight tooth and nail to reject the official results (assuming he isn't behind the scenes, and assuming there is indeed enough provable fraud to overturn the results)?

I believe it is because he is part of the corporate-militarist elite and for him the stakes of the election are not so great as they appear to those who buy into the grand illusion --good vs evil --version of the election.

In his concession speech Kerry said -- with no sense of irony or fight-for-justice-and-for-the-salt-of-the-earth -passion:

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KERRY:  Today I hope that we can begin the healing... in an American election, there are no losers, because whether or not our candidates are successful,  the next morning we all wake up as Americans.”


Ponder that statement for a moment in it's full meaning. "No losers."

Kerry went on to say:

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KERRY: Now, more than ever... we must stand together and succeed in Iraq and win the war on terror.


While lawyers could make a case to the contrary, the rhetorical effect of that statement was to equate Bush's war in Iraq with the Bush's "War on Terror" -- a complete falsehood -- well, the whole thing is a fraud anyways-- and a clear contradiction to the more critical stand (but hardly a fully truthful one) toward the war that Kerry adopted in the last weeks of the campaign.

Despite the clever arguments to the contrary which could be constructed, Kerry's stand in that speech amounts to a "support the President" position not meaningfully dissimilar from Joseph Lieberman's:

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LIEBERMAN: And it's time for us, including Democrats, to acknowledge that there are very few of us who have a policy going forward other than the one the president has. So let's support it. Let's increase the capability of the Iraqi military, get them ready for elections, to self-govern, and establish a self-governing democracy in the Middle East, which will be one of the greatest things we can do in the war on terror.  Therefore, I would say, because this ought to be a nonpartisan, bipartisan interest, that the president would do well to have some Democrats closely around him, to make clear to America and to the world that George Bush's policy in the war on terror is not just his policy, it's American policy.


Those in the Democratic Party leadership like Kerry and Lieberman and Clinton and all the rest really have little truck with GW Bush on THE major issues facing America and the world: unfettered corporatism, militarism, and the drive for the globalization of predatory capitalism and market fundamentalism. That being the case, why would someone like Kerry NOT concede in a gracious, gentlemanly fashion to a co-religionist like GW Bush?
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