righteous1 posted this Ohio provisional Vote Tally
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Ohio Provisional Vote Tally FINAL!
88/88 Bush + 61,505 Kerry + 79,482 Diff:17,977
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My point and question
Kerry won the Ohio Provisional Vote Tally and won every state that was not e-voting. Why is it that Kerry can win the Provisional ballots in Ohio and any other state that doesn't have e-voting Kerry won?
Please answer me on this and explain it so I can understand because I'm very confused. This is without exist polls.
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Provisional ballots do tend to be Democratic. These are ballots that are issued to individuals who names don't show up on the roster, likely people who have recently moved, are more transient, and have registered late. Such individuals tend to be of lower income---more Dems are in this income bracket than Repubs.
But, it cannot be denied, it may be an indication of irregularities.
Olberman showed the attorney and Jesse Jackson's clip tonight where they reported they believe there are enough "lost" Kerry votes that would overturn the election.
But, it cannot be denied, it may be an indication of irregularities.
Olberman showed the attorney and Jesse Jackson's clip tonight where they reported they believe there are enough "lost" Kerry votes that would overturn the election.
Can you amend your question to include, "and Kerry received more General Election votes than every single candidate for president and president elected in the history of the United States, including W but with the exception of W's re-election to president?"
QUOTE(ultraist @ Dec 2 2004, 10:07 PM)
Provisional ballots do tend to be Democratic. These are ballots that are issued to individuals who names don't show up on the roster, likely people who have recently moved, are more transient, and have registered late. Such individuals tend to be of lower income---more Dems are in this income bracket than Repubs.
But, it cannot be denied, it may be an indication of irregularities.
Olberman showed the attorney and Jesse Jackson's clip tonight where they reported they believe there are enough "lost" Kerry votes that would overturn the election.
But, it cannot be denied, it may be an indication of irregularities.
Olberman showed the attorney and Jesse Jackson's clip tonight where they reported they believe there are enough "lost" Kerry votes that would overturn the election.
Respectfully, I must point out that in election 2004 there are substantial claims by voters that fell into the Provisional pool of voters that they have resided in the same home for and have voted for many years, as well as numerous other reasons.
There is also substantial evidence in published reports by Republicans and election officials that indicate prejudicial targeting of Democratic precincts and counties for integrity of voter registrations and challenges to voter claims of registration during election 2004.
Unfortunately, this is not considered by many, including moderates, to be an irregularity.
I'm so glad Jesse Jackson went to Ohio.
Yeah folks but this is not really good. The hope was that Kerry would get a large majority in the provisional ballots, but a 17,000 difference is not that good. It won't go very far in making up the difference in the Ohio totals. Of course, a lot of the provisional ballots were thrown out.
QUOTE(Cloudy @ Dec 2 2004, 08:18 PM)
I'm so glad Jesse Jackson went to Ohio.
Me too!
My letter to my Senator
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Mr Durbin,
I am one of your voters. I have been voting a straight democrat ticket in Illinois for the past 20 years. I am writing to you now because I believe there is something you can do for us, your voters. And only you and your fellow Senators can.
I'm referring to the mountain of evidence, complaints and academic studies pointing out the millions of votes lost due to machine glitches, errors or God knows what in the past 2 Presidential Elections. MIT has a study estimating 6 MILLION votes were lost during the 2000 election, yet as we seen so poignantly in Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 movie, not one Senator signed the House petition to investigate matters.
This election has been under the same or worse suspicion. A Berkeley study shows clear evidence that something is amiss with Florida's voting patterns. Re. Jesse Jackson has been raising the same kind of suspicions in Ohio.
It is bad enough to see your candidate lose the Presidency. To see him loosing when there are indications of something amiss is even worse.
I don't really care if Kerry DID loose the 2004 election, but I do care for the impact a less than honest effort to ensure the integrity of our voting system will do to further divide our country. Republican pundits keep saying we Dems "hate" Bush because we never forgave him for Florida 2000. Maybe they have a point.
I seriously doubt Bush's second term will be any different, unless we all, Dems and Republicans, made a concerted effort to ensure the integrity and reliability of the election process. As it is right now, it is obvious we can trust McDonalds a lot more with our credit cards than the Diebolds and ES &S with our votes. Should our vote be LESS important and LESS secure than buying a burger ?
One senator and one House Representative are required to contest an election result prior to inauguration.
Will you make me proud and be the Senator who signs it this time around ?
I am one of your voters. I have been voting a straight democrat ticket in Illinois for the past 20 years. I am writing to you now because I believe there is something you can do for us, your voters. And only you and your fellow Senators can.
I'm referring to the mountain of evidence, complaints and academic studies pointing out the millions of votes lost due to machine glitches, errors or God knows what in the past 2 Presidential Elections. MIT has a study estimating 6 MILLION votes were lost during the 2000 election, yet as we seen so poignantly in Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 movie, not one Senator signed the House petition to investigate matters.
This election has been under the same or worse suspicion. A Berkeley study shows clear evidence that something is amiss with Florida's voting patterns. Re. Jesse Jackson has been raising the same kind of suspicions in Ohio.
It is bad enough to see your candidate lose the Presidency. To see him loosing when there are indications of something amiss is even worse.
I don't really care if Kerry DID loose the 2004 election, but I do care for the impact a less than honest effort to ensure the integrity of our voting system will do to further divide our country. Republican pundits keep saying we Dems "hate" Bush because we never forgave him for Florida 2000. Maybe they have a point.
I seriously doubt Bush's second term will be any different, unless we all, Dems and Republicans, made a concerted effort to ensure the integrity and reliability of the election process. As it is right now, it is obvious we can trust McDonalds a lot more with our credit cards than the Diebolds and ES &S with our votes. Should our vote be LESS important and LESS secure than buying a burger ?
One senator and one House Representative are required to contest an election result prior to inauguration.
Will you make me proud and be the Senator who signs it this time around ?
QUOTE(44model @ Dec 2 2004, 08:28 PM)
Yeah folks but this is not really good. The hope was that Kerry would get a large majority in the provisional ballots, but a 17,000 difference is not that good. It won't go very far in making up the difference in the Ohio totals. Of course, a lot of the provisional ballots were thrown out.
1 out of 3 thrown out...
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November 2 Truth - 8,099 Cuyahoga ballots ruled invalid
November 2 Truth - 8,099 Cuyahoga ballots ruled invalid: "The questions about provisional ballots haven't gotten any easier, but there is a preliminary answer to how many of the controversial ballots will be discarded in Cuyahoga County.
The Cuyahoga County Board of Elections voted Monday to reject one out of three of the 24,472 provisional ballots cast in the Nov. 2 election.
The bulk of the 8,099 invalidated ballots were determined to have been cast by nonregistered voters or registered voters who cast their ballots in the wrong precinct. Voters received provisional ballots at the polls on Election Day if their names did not appear on the voter rolls.
Among Ohio's 88 counties, Cuyahoga County had the largest number of the controversial ballots, which pre-election predictions had said could rival the hanging chad as a blemish on official election results.
In the 2000 election, about 17 percent of provisional ballots were invalidated, compared with 33 percent in this election.
November 2 Truth - 8,099 Cuyahoga ballots ruled invalid: "The questions about provisional ballots haven't gotten any easier, but there is a preliminary answer to how many of the controversial ballots will be discarded in Cuyahoga County.
The Cuyahoga County Board of Elections voted Monday to reject one out of three of the 24,472 provisional ballots cast in the Nov. 2 election.
The bulk of the 8,099 invalidated ballots were determined to have been cast by nonregistered voters or registered voters who cast their ballots in the wrong precinct. Voters received provisional ballots at the polls on Election Day if their names did not appear on the voter rolls.
Among Ohio's 88 counties, Cuyahoga County had the largest number of the controversial ballots, which pre-election predictions had said could rival the hanging chad as a blemish on official election results.
In the 2000 election, about 17 percent of provisional ballots were invalidated, compared with 33 percent in this election.
QUOTE(The Judged @ Dec 2 2004, 08:14 PM)
Respectfully, I must point out that in election 2004 there are substantial claims by voters that fell into the Provisional pool of voters that they have resided in the same home for and have voted for many years, as well as numerous other reasons.
There is also substantial evidence in published reports by Republicans and election officials that indicate prejudicial targeting of Democratic precincts and counties for integrity of voter registrations and challenges to voter claims of registration during election 2004.
Unfortunately, this is not considered by many, including moderates, to be an irregularity.
There is also substantial evidence in published reports by Republicans and election officials that indicate prejudicial targeting of Democratic precincts and counties for integrity of voter registrations and challenges to voter claims of registration during election 2004.
Unfortunately, this is not considered by many, including moderates, to be an irregularity.
As I said, it cannot be ruled out that this prov ballot count may indicate irregularities. IF the voter rolls had been tampered with forcing many to use provisional ballots, that would be a significant finding. But, that conclusion has yet to be drawn.
I'm of the mind that massive fraud did occur, but I'm not hopeful it will be proven. I simply don't trust the Ohio Repub leaning Sup Ct, Blackwell, or the others in power there. It's another FL 2000 IMO.
I would like to know the percentage of Kerry provisional ballots thrown out compared to the Bush provisional ballots thrown out.
QUOTE(JasonATexan @ Dec 2 2004, 08:03 PM)
righteous1 posted this Ohio provisional Vote Tally
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Ohio Provisional Vote Tally FINAL!
88/88 Bush + 61,505 Kerry + 79,482 Diff:17,977
----------------------------------------------------
My point and question
Kerry won the Ohio Provisional Vote Tally and won every state that was not e-voting. Why is it that Kerry can win the Provisional ballots in Ohio and any other state that doesn't have e-voting Kerry won?
Please answer me on this and explain it so I can understand because I'm very confused. This is without exist polls.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Ohio Provisional Vote Tally FINAL!
88/88 Bush + 61,505 Kerry + 79,482 Diff:17,977
----------------------------------------------------
My point and question
Kerry won the Ohio Provisional Vote Tally and won every state that was not e-voting. Why is it that Kerry can win the Provisional ballots in Ohio and any other state that doesn't have e-voting Kerry won?
Please answer me on this and explain it so I can understand because I'm very confused. This is without exist polls.
Jason, i had no idea about this. See, this is such freakin bs man....it is so obvious. Why do we even vote with these bs e-voting machines? Is it because some people are too damn lazy to pick up a pencil??? Come on!
QUOTE(FellowDemocrat @ Dec 2 2004, 10:24 PM)
Jason, i had no idea about this. See, this is such freakin bs man....it is so obvious. Why do we even vote with these bs e-voting machines? Is it because some people are too damn lazy to pick up a pencil??? Come on!
In most cases laziness had nothing to do with it. When I early-voted here in Dallas it was the only option available. They did use paper ballots here on election day though. Had I known, I would have waited. I early-voted this year so I could help drive folks to vote on election day.
QUOTE(44model @ Dec 2 2004, 08:28 PM)
Yeah folks but this is not really good. The hope was that Kerry would get a large majority in the provisional ballots, but a 17,000 difference is not that good. It won't go very far in making up the difference in the Ohio totals. Of course, a lot of the provisional ballots were thrown out.
I didn't even think that the provisional ballots would bring it this close; I thought that the truth would come out only in the hand-counts. But, when correcting all those precincts where more people voted for Bush than were registered, I think that with a 17,000 margin Kerry will still overtake those totals and win. Wouldn't it be nice if Kerry showed up at the rally in Columbus Saturday? It might not be possible, though, because if there is any possibility of his winning, it might be too dangerous for him to be there.
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