I believe that the vote is not final until they are opened by Congress, in January.

20 additional days ? Forget it!

To overturn El Busho we need more than 400 people on the streets. And we don't have them

One thing could stop the inaugeration of Bush. If Kerry would unconcede. Wish we knew. Everyone's been awfully quiet.

If Bush has indeed stolen his 2nd election, even if he is annointed on Jan 20, we MUST contiinue to find and PROVE fraud, no matter how long it takes.

Bush wants to "spend the political capital" of his "mandate." God help us!

Our job is first to weaken that "mandate" by providing PROOF that they cheated bigtime; and second to see if we can get a 2006 Democratic House and IMPEACH him.

This is going to be a long slow process. Kind of like the REAL "war on terror" should have been.

Hell, if it isn't overturned the republican congress and bush will sign a bill to have no more elections. IMHO

This election is our only hope of ever saving democracy. I am not ready to accept defeat.

You could very well be right. But it would be a crime not to try. And, if there is nothing done, we shouldn't let it be forgotten. We should be loud, proud and refuse to shut up about this.

I've written to the Congressmen from my state telling them I believe that they should do everything in their power to ensure that future elections ARE fair and, when nothing is done, I will not vote.

I refuse to participate in another charade of voting. When dems realize that their base depends on people to vote, believing they will be heard, and if those people say they will refuse to vote unless and until there are FAIR elections with paper trails, then I think they will understand that they have a vested interest in seeing that something is done to fix this.

But nothing would make me happier than to see this election overturned. All those people who've been appointed to new jobs in this admin will have to find other work, the inaugural ball will have to be cancelled and all that ticket revenue will have to refunded and Bush himself can use his "capital" to go fix fence till he expires. I would absolutely LOVE IT!!

But nothing would make me happier than to see this election overturned. All those people who've been appointed to new jobs in this admin will have to find other work, the inaugural ball will have to be cancelled and all that ticket revenue will have to refunded and Bush himself can use his "capital" to go fix fence till he expires. I would absolutely LOVE IT!!

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I would like to believe it....but can you imagine the shock wave in the world, learning that the president of the USA and his party have stolen an election exactly like in Ukraine?????????????????????
The very little credibility left would be destroyed for a long time!

Don't you think the world already knows what we know? I do. I also think they'd believe the American people refused to put up with illegal elections, finally.

Nothing was done after the 2000 debacle and, in fact, it got much, much worse. What this portends for 2006 and beyond is horrifying.

I believe that the People's credibility would rise and that it would be Bush's credibility which would sink. Umm...is that possible? Could his credibility get any lower? Not.

Like I said: Who would want to run the country Bush turned US into ?

I am not sure the world knows......I read german and french newspapers, have a french TV channel: the USA is very much under critic for the Irak war, and the arrogance of the government, but I never hear about election fraud....and believe me, this 2 countries would be to happy to jump on such a transatlantic liner! Bush is despised in Europe and already have no credibility
In the same time, I remember Watergate and the impact in Europe medias..at this time, the USA were praised for having the courage to clean their messy presidency!

Maybe yes,! Maybe no! Losing my religion? More like losing my faith in the Democratic Party !!!!!!! If they were serious about challenging this vote,... and they should be, .... they would have stepped forward and done so by now. . The fact that they have not come forward, to support this cause, depicts the depths of their resignation. Perhaps there is some good hidden among our disappointment. Perhaps the talk of recount cannot change the outcome of the election, but perhaps it can shed light, and bring reform, to a system of election that is neither consistent, nor accurate, nor fair. Regardless of reasons unseen by the many Kerry supporters, Kerry has chosen steadfastly NOT to challenge this vote( although I really do not know why). Even the ODP has only made ONE feeble attempt to contact its members with an ill defined email message stating that it would take part in any recount, as requested by third party candidates, but failed to deliver any details to volunteers. I think it is time that the members of this board remember why this forum was originally created, and behave accordingly. This forum was an evolution of the official Kerry online forum. After an acknowledged loss, many decided that the future of the Democratic Party was dependent upon redefining goals and constituents. It was in this spirit that this forum was continued. Many that post here did so for months on the JFK forum. While we spent many hours lending unyielding support to JFK, we must now accept that unless JFK is willing to step forward and lend credibility to this recount, the allegations of thousands of election day discrepencies. across the nation , mean nothing, other than a possible chance to shed light and bring reform. SO I hope that many here will return to our original purpose, and start thinking of ways to rebuild and redefine the Democratic Party, a party of Pogressive and Moderate patriots committed to making Democracy work. It is the only productive source for our enthusiasm at this time and if we can funnel our energy into this opportunity for transformation, what a difference we can make. Maybe even win the 2008 elections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

400 people marched in Ohio.

In 2000, what was it? 327 votes Gore lost by.

Where was everybody in 2000? Enjoying the good life and not caring.
There were very few of us in Florida during the recount.

Just a handful in Washington.

There were only two democrats who stood besides Al Gore all that time.
Not Bill Clinton. Not Hillary. Not Kerry. Not Kennedy. Not Edwards. Not McAuliffe. Not Biden. Not Leiberman. Not anyone. They were all Missing in Action MIA.

Actually, the only two democrats who stood the entire time with Al Gore was Ed Rendell, later the Governor of PA. and Florida Senator Graham.
Nobody else.
Democracy was stolen by the republicans, but also by the DNC in 2000, and continues today.In collusion together. At our expense.

In defense of the INDEFENSIBLE (w/ hindsight) silence in 2000, no one expected Bush would be that destructive!

I expected a watered down version of Bush Sr. or a George Ford, not Atila the Hun. So after Gore conceded I fully supported the silence and the "let's move on" request he had.

Oh boy, how I regret that!

I posted under "where is my f*cking recount" thread that we have until Jan 6th,
info from Keith Olbermann blog.

I agree with you, with everything, that is, but the word "anointed." My husband happens to be clergy, and if Bush takes power, he plans to hold a funeral on January 20th for the United States of America. Hopefully we can be in Wash. D.C., but if not, then locally. There is no way that a morally bankrupt group of people who call themselves churches would be able to "anoint" the very person who has stolen our country.

We have to keep asking Kerry...

Send this entire thing to Kerry's e-mail address, and all the other Democrats you can think of: in the Senate, House, etc. This is very well said, and I think that more people than we need to hear it. BTW, I didn't post here before the election, because I thought that Kerry was winning. But now I see that the whole thing was rigged, I am more angry. If I were Bush, I would have never rigged anything, because it throws into doubt many of his other actions and decisions as well, and at some point people will look into all of these. But, Kerry and the Dems must speak up; if not, they will be thought of as too weak.

in all my days, i've never heard so much commotion over an election....

never before did i hear so many accusations, so many complaints, so many possibilities for fraud...

this up and down motion is hard on the head, the heart and the pocket book...

i can only hope for the very best for america for the next four years... yes, i'd greatly prefer first, that john kerry was the president yes, ofcourse there is no hiding that... 2nd that all elections are generally beyond question, perfectly in line with past elections as in no one continuously questioning the results... and 3rd that if bush is to be president due to one technicality or another than he would do his very very best to guide america as best he can despite the fact that there is a high probablity that he'll have many many challenges ahead of him but that he try his very best to be fair and not be afraid to stand on his own two feet and do good for the american people...

i can only hope

- perry

I have just downloaded and printed the letter to The Honorable J. Kenneth Blackwell from the House Judiciary Committee Democratic staff. I was able to click the link from Keith Olbermann's column. I was aware of the voting "irregularities" in Ohio, but this is beyond just a few minor incidences. What I have read in the letter tells me that for so many serious and disturbing things to have occured, we can rule out human error. This is sickening! The press needs to report this scandal immediately, Fox news included.

clicked wrong box

sorry. should have said "installed"