http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2004/Dec/EEN41b4d7875c59c.html

Will Kerry be elected President by the Electoral College in eight days?

If you are like most people, you did a double-take at the title of this article. But, strange as it seems, it could happen. The Ohio vote for President is going to be recounted in accordance with Ohio law which affords a recount to any candidate for an office in Ohio provided they are willing to pay the costs. To date, the Libertarian Party, the Green Party, and most recently the Democratic Party have joined forces to request a recount in Ohio to ensure that every vote is counted. Unlike Florida, Ohio has very specific laws for how a recount is to be conducted, thus it is unlikely that the Supreme Court would intervene on a basis of equal protection.

Nor is eight days from now the absolute deadline. That would be the first opportunity to vote, but should a recount not be completed in time, that could be extended several weeks. According to constitutional law, the electoral college votes are not counted by the congress until the first day congress meets in January.

Is there a likelihood that the official certified results in Ohio will be overturned in the recount? It is impossible to tell at this point, but there is hope for those who wish for this. Without a recount, several large problems have already been detected with the Ohio vote.

- A precinct in Franklin County that had approximately 800 registered voters, but recorded 4000 votes for Bush.

- Sandusky County election officials discovered that about 2,600 ballots from nine precincts were counted twice, likely because of worker error

- the New York Times reported that there are 90,000 undervotes, overvotes and other miscounted votes

The current certified total gives Bush a margin of victory of 119,000 votes. Absent a series of massive errors or discoverable fraud, that difference will likely stand up to a recount. But, after the way the last two elections have gone, after the vote has gotten 20,000 votes closer than election day without a recount, after the issues we already know about listed above, I think we all should hold on to our hats.


Steven Leser, stevenleser@walla.com

Nice.....

Now I just hold my breath and pray really hard.

depends what type of tin foil hats they got on!

make some kool aid and get them to elect Kerry

To all who have been created "would you support XYZ in 2008" thinking that Kerry has been defeated, I hope that I will be able to say "I told you so".

As I've been saying all along, John Kerry will be a candidate for re-election in 2008.

I sure hope so ::Crossing fingers::

Oh I think so too! :D

not the way things are going and not in the face of the statements he's been making, that's for sure.

BG....are you feeling allright?

You seem to be overwellmingly pessimistic lately (I have noticed it in your posts today). I know things seem kind of gloomy espically since Bushco got in but I always have to be slightly optomistic or I would go absoultely and postively crazy.

I am starting to feel that same euphoria we had before the election, when we knew we had it won! The recount coordination process is underway - there are rumors via the phone lines that some counties may start early....think about this people...... if all precincts in Ohio (I think there are 110,000) all gain 20 votes then we have doubled the lead. From what I am hearing from birds that speak into my ear from time to time - this is entirely possible. The tabulators may have had a malfunction on November 2 and this malfunction could have led to a whole lot of votes moving from one candidate to the other.

As usual, I have a disclaimer, the above statements are mostly opinion and could be based on "rumors on the internets"

It's always good to stay positive.

Negativity breeds more of the same (check out our current Administration) and positivity breeds more of the same. The harder we work, with a positive and eternally hopeful attitude, the more we will ensure a victory. :D

I hope this happens, but we can't just quit there and say "now he's in we can sit back", no, no, no. That's when we need to align behind President Kerry and make things happen.

I may not be helping much with an Energy Independent America but I'm trying everyday. I'll keep at it no matter what the outcome, but I know if Kerry does go in the White House that my work won’t be in vain.

So lets get on it 100%, and keep on it 100%! Do something for the people you share this planet with.

PS: Is there anything we can do that is “legal” and “acceptable” to help make this so???
:D

Okay then, how about Bush 2008?

Both Cobb http://www.votecobb.com and the Ohio Democratic party are looking for volunteers to function as observers for the recounts. Please visit either the Cobb website or contact your local Dems to volunteer to be an observer or to coordinate an Ohio county. Have received conflicting reports of when the recount will begin and it might vary per county. Unofficial reports are it could possibly start within a couple days in some areas. Please post on any other forums you visit, the Cobb website and the requests from the Democrats. I think we may just be about to make history!

We can always pressure Bush to resign if we can get a full Senate investigation into all inner communications between Diebold and its employees and the Republican party.

Nixon was forced to resign right? Anything is possible with e-democracy!

We could all compose letters to the most important electors or officials (anyone have other addresses instead of the one posted previously of Repubs or Judges whatever? Letters to ask for the electorate vote to be delayed until the recount is done.

Personally, I just skip readig anything with 2008 in it. Let's finish with 2004 first!

Oh pu-lease!

After Iran-Contra, Valerie Plame, No WMD and 9/11 inaction you think Bush would be forced to resign for something as silly as blackmail, like Nixon ?

And with 3 more Bush judges in the SC ? House majority for GOP ?

DREAM ON!!!


We let Bush have 4 years to take root and look how much more powerful he got since 2000.

Give him 4 more years and he will be to powerful to speak against, let alone stop.

I like Kerry and believe he is a good man at heart.

But until I understand WHY he conceeded in lessthan 24 hours and is quiet since then, he won't get another vote from me

As you so correctly point out, Kerry would have a heck of a time contesting the '04 election without a supportive congress...

IMHO, he's a smart guy and knows the system inside and out...he's working toward a goal, I imagine discrediting this bunch for good, and possibly election in '08....

Our government system is incredibly convoluted and any actions incredibly protracted...Kerry knows all about how to get really effective actions through that same system...

I have faith in him...

All this is making me sad. If he doesn't address this, he won't have any support for 08. I was hoping he could get in there to erase the second guessing, but instead, we are dreaming of what coulda, woulda, and shoulda been.

It's always good to stay REAL.

What has really happened is that we missed our last chance to avoid disaster on Nov. 2nd. This country's in for a LOT of trouble in a big hurry.


I'd suggest getting REAL and preparing for the upcoming economic meltdown, and possibly other catastrophes that are headed straight our way.

I too have faith in him. Gore contested the election in 2000 and look what we had. Gore's name dragged through the mud, through the papers and Bush basically heckling him all the way and preventing Gore from a legal recount. I found that disgusting and in poor taste that Gore couldn't get a decent recount. I prefer Kerry's quiet unassuming approach to this than I do Gore's.

Keep in mind that, if the Ohio matter doesn't pan out, Kerry can still win with two other states that have the right electoral total. Missouri has a lot of electoral votes, and all evidence points to the fact that Kerry won here. There are other investigations going on besides the one in Ohio.

"http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2004/Dec/EEN41b4d7875c59c.html

Will Kerry be elected President by the Electoral College in eight days?"

Wouldn't that be wonderful!! :D
I refuse to give up hope yet.
But can someone tell me if we have a chance of winning?
The Ohio Supreme Court has a majority of Republicans (I believe four Republicans to two Democrats), both Houses of the federal government have Republican majorities, and the US Supreme Court gave the last election to Bush.
Please tell me if we still have a chance of having Kerry be inaugurated President next year.
Thanks!

In my dreams and in my prayers. I don't believe Bush won this election, unfortunately I don't have enough faith in America to stay so positive

Optimistic is one thing, delusional is another. It is very hard to stand by while everyone in power and most of the base of this party is just talking and not doing anything, and when they do TALK about doing something, it is very old school (sit ins) and not going to be effective in this situation. This is not going to turn around because we think good thoughts and keep our fingers crossed.

We need for the national media and major TV network and cable stations to get involved and publicize all this - so that the people are cognizant of this horrible fraud.
Thank goodness for Keith Olbermann!
If more people know what is "rotten in the state of (Denmark) the US", then hopefully, more people would realize what has happened aand be behind the recall effort - and lend their voices and support.
If all the major media outlets are owned by Republican CEOs, and that is behind the media blackout, then our country is in a sorry state.
But this is not the democratic heritage of liberty, freedom, and a free press that we grew up on and is a part of us.
Let freedom and justice ring.

I would like to believe that, but the Ohio courts say they won't overturn the election. They do anything to protect Bush. God Help America.

How could they possibly say that BEFORE any recount or evidence of fraud has been presented. I feel like Alice fallen through the looking glass.

if it wasn't for kerry and the good people he represents i'd have to loose faith altogether....

there seems to be two kinds of people in this world... those that give a damn and those that don't...

sincerely, your friends in canada

- perry