1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies:
Diebold and ES&S.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/04280...2804landes.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold
2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight
of the U.S. voting machine industry.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/04280...2804landes.html
3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/04280...2804landes.html
4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign
organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping
Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/...ain632436.shtml
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886
5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He
became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/colu.../03/03_200.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/03100...04fitrakis.html
6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush
family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the
Senate Ethics Committee.
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?...=article&sid=26
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php
7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's
vice-presidential candidates.
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm
http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html
8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and
counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/04280...2804landes.html
9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of
any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data
coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by
voters.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evo...es/pfindex.html
10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines,
all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm
11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm
12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as senior managers and
developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted
50% of the votes in 30 states.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml
13. Jeff Dean, Diebold's Senior Vice-President and senior programmer
on Diebold's central compiler code, was convicted of 23 counts of felony
theft in the first degree.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf
14. Diebold Senior Vice-President Jeff Dean was convicted of planting
back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication"
to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf
15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the
polls in Ohio.
http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/26/loc_elexoh.html
16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the
security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could
not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it. (See the movie here.)
http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190
17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch
screen voting machines with no paper trail.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/...ain632436.shtml
18. All - not some - but all the voting machine errors detected and
reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAfterm...StudiesBushIsOu
t.htm
http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=m...le=article&sid=
950
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm
19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the
President's brother.
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee...cal/7628725.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Oct29.html
20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida - again always favoring Bush
- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending
further investigation.
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAfterm...StudiesBushIsOu
t.htm
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttop...cy/story/0,1080
1,97614,00.html
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/tens_of_thousands.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
http://uscountvotes.org/
Unless we act, the nation will get the same result as in 2000 -- no investigations, no indictments, no convictions and more fraud. We suspect that if the votes had been tallied honestly, we would be preparing for the inauguration of the candidate who authorities with a huge stake in the outcome tell us lost the election.
David Lytel, founder of ReDefeatBush.com, served in the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy during the first Clinton administration.
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David Lytel deserves the Pulitzer and the Citizen Medal of Honor. And, even thought they used a guest editorial writer, the Baltimore Sun deserves an award for daring to print it.
People, do you realize, this is the 2004 equivalent of the New York Times and the Washington Post publishing Ellsberg's PENTAGON PAPERS!!!!!
THE MSM SILENCE MUST END NOW, the cat is out of the bag.
Get hard and soft copies into your local news editors' hands - personally!
Then sit back and watch the spin begin.
I said it last week, and was worried we were running out of time, but the fecal matter is going to hit the rotating oscilating blade device NOW!
People, do you realize, this is the 2004 equivalent of the New York Times and the Washington Post publishing Ellsberg's PENTAGON PAPERS!!!!!
THE MSM SILENCE MUST END NOW, the cat is out of the bag.
Get hard and soft copies into your local news editors' hands - personally!
Then sit back and watch the spin begin.
I said it last week, and was worried we were running out of time, but the fecal matter is going to hit the rotating oscilating blade device NOW!
http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/issues/alert/?...6748426&type=TA
Demand bi-partisan investigation into the 2004 Election NOW, not next year.
Ask Members of House Administration Committee to call hearing.
Demand bi-partisan investigation into the 2004 Election NOW, not next year.
Ask Members of House Administration Committee to call hearing.
We DO have a big "company" as Bush stated.
utimately, you have to ask yourself... how much more of this kinda crap is the american public going to tolerate....
- perry
- perry
I wrote the Baltimore Sun a nice thank you note for having the journalistic integrity and told them I hoped they would continue to investigate.
Got an automatic response back, but it does have a human's name on it, so I'll give it a couple of days, then write her.
Got an automatic response back, but it does have a human's name on it, so I'll give it a couple of days, then write her.
"
I have the impression that the majority of the American public is in the dark about the election fraud.
On one of the major cable channels, I heard an anchor and a news correspondent chating in an upbeat, conversational manner about the decorations, balls and costs which being planned and itemized now for Bush's January inaugural ceremonies.
Last night on Karry King Live, the first guests were Elizabeth and John Edwards.
They were on for about twenty-five minutes, and the talk mostly centered on Elizabeth's reaction and treatment of her cancer.
Then the talk turned to the lost election, and John Edwards did echo the public's perception that "we lost the election; Bush had more votes...."
Kerry and Edwards must be as much in the know about this election fraud as forum members are though; he just didn't say anything about it.....
At the end of the interview, John Edwards did mention that he doesn't think that he'll be practicing law in the forseeable future, that he'll stay in public service, and that his main priorities are too see that Elizabeth is well and healthy again" "I need her for the next forty years".
This was a wonderful interview by the Edwards, and I really admire Elizabeth, but I wish that John Edwards could have said something about the election manipulation...I realize that he doesn't want to appear to be a "sore loser", and he is probably thinking ahead to '06 and, of course, to '08.
By the way, I have a question, I was watching Greta van Susteren's show on Fox because of the Scott Peterson case; otherwise I'd NEVER watch Fox - and somehow, I was out of the room and hadn't changed the channnel when an intefview with Dick Morris (in the following program) came on the air.
Dick Morris said that Hillary Clinton has all the financial contributors "in the bag" and has "sewn up" the '08 presidential nomination.
I find that very hard to believe.
What do you think?
Is this possible?
(But I admire Hillary and would vote for her.)
Yours sincerely,
QUOTE(anderson_perry @ Dec 10 2004, 11:15 AM)
utimately, you have to ask yourself... how much more of this kinda crap is the american public going to tolerate....
- perry
"- perry
I have the impression that the majority of the American public is in the dark about the election fraud.
On one of the major cable channels, I heard an anchor and a news correspondent chating in an upbeat, conversational manner about the decorations, balls and costs which being planned and itemized now for Bush's January inaugural ceremonies.
Last night on Karry King Live, the first guests were Elizabeth and John Edwards.
They were on for about twenty-five minutes, and the talk mostly centered on Elizabeth's reaction and treatment of her cancer.
Then the talk turned to the lost election, and John Edwards did echo the public's perception that "we lost the election; Bush had more votes...."
Kerry and Edwards must be as much in the know about this election fraud as forum members are though; he just didn't say anything about it.....
At the end of the interview, John Edwards did mention that he doesn't think that he'll be practicing law in the forseeable future, that he'll stay in public service, and that his main priorities are too see that Elizabeth is well and healthy again" "I need her for the next forty years".
This was a wonderful interview by the Edwards, and I really admire Elizabeth, but I wish that John Edwards could have said something about the election manipulation...I realize that he doesn't want to appear to be a "sore loser", and he is probably thinking ahead to '06 and, of course, to '08.
By the way, I have a question, I was watching Greta van Susteren's show on Fox because of the Scott Peterson case; otherwise I'd NEVER watch Fox - and somehow, I was out of the room and hadn't changed the channnel when an intefview with Dick Morris (in the following program) came on the air.
Dick Morris said that Hillary Clinton has all the financial contributors "in the bag" and has "sewn up" the '08 presidential nomination.
I find that very hard to believe.
What do you think?
Is this possible?
(But I admire Hillary and would vote for her.)
Yours sincerely,
double plus good bump
QUOTE(Mozart @ Dec 10 2004, 11:31 AM)
""
I have the impression that the majority of the American public is in the dark about the election fraud.
On one of the major cable channels, I heard an anchor and a news correspondent chating in an upbeat, conversational manner about the decorations, balls and costs which being planned and itemized now for Bush's January inaugural ceremonies.
Last night on Karry King Live, the first guests were Elizabeth and John Edwards.
They were on for about twenty-five minutes, and the talk mostly centered on Elizabeth's reaction and treatment of her cancer.
Then the talk turned to the lost election, and John Edwards did echo the public's perception that "we lost the election; Bush had more votes...."
Kerry and Edwards must be as much in the know about this election fraud as forum members are though; he just didn't say anything about it.....
At the end of the interview, John Edwards did mention that he doesn't think that he'll be practicing law in the forseeable future, that he'll stay in public service, and that his main priorities are too see that Elizabeth is well and healthy again" "I need her for the next forty years".
This was a wonderful interview by the Edwards, and I really admire Elizabeth, but I wish that John Edwards could have said something about the election manipulation...I realize that he doesn't want to appear to be a "sore loser", and he is probably thinking ahead to '06 and, of course, to '08.
By the way, I have a question, I was watching Greta van Susteren's show on Fox because of the Scott Peterson case; otherwise I'd NEVER watch Fox - and somehow, I was out of the room and hadn't changed the channnel when an intefview with Dick Morris (in the following program) came on the air.
Dick Morris said that Hillary Clinton has all the financial contributors "in the bag" and has "sewn up" the '08 presidential nomination.
I find that very hard to believe.
What do you think?
Is this possible?
(But I admire Hillary and would vote for her.)
Yours sincerely,
I have the impression that the majority of the American public is in the dark about the election fraud.
On one of the major cable channels, I heard an anchor and a news correspondent chating in an upbeat, conversational manner about the decorations, balls and costs which being planned and itemized now for Bush's January inaugural ceremonies.
Last night on Karry King Live, the first guests were Elizabeth and John Edwards.
They were on for about twenty-five minutes, and the talk mostly centered on Elizabeth's reaction and treatment of her cancer.
Then the talk turned to the lost election, and John Edwards did echo the public's perception that "we lost the election; Bush had more votes...."
Kerry and Edwards must be as much in the know about this election fraud as forum members are though; he just didn't say anything about it.....
At the end of the interview, John Edwards did mention that he doesn't think that he'll be practicing law in the forseeable future, that he'll stay in public service, and that his main priorities are too see that Elizabeth is well and healthy again" "I need her for the next forty years".
This was a wonderful interview by the Edwards, and I really admire Elizabeth, but I wish that John Edwards could have said something about the election manipulation...I realize that he doesn't want to appear to be a "sore loser", and he is probably thinking ahead to '06 and, of course, to '08.
By the way, I have a question, I was watching Greta van Susteren's show on Fox because of the Scott Peterson case; otherwise I'd NEVER watch Fox - and somehow, I was out of the room and hadn't changed the channnel when an intefview with Dick Morris (in the following program) came on the air.
Dick Morris said that Hillary Clinton has all the financial contributors "in the bag" and has "sewn up" the '08 presidential nomination.
I find that very hard to believe.
What do you think?
Is this possible?
(But I admire Hillary and would vote for her.)
Yours sincerely,
Absolutely don't fall for anything they say on Fox. They would like to see Hillary Clinton run because a woman won't get elected president in our lifetime and they want the Republicans to keep on winning. So just take anything you hear on Fox with a grain of salt. Its all rubbish and brainwash there. Go to MSNBC or CNN where they don't beat you over the head with the RIGHT WING RHETORIC!
QUOTE(iaclassic @ Dec 10 2004, 01:14 PM)
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Demand bi-partisan investigation into the 2004 Election NOW, not next year.
Ask Members of House Administration Committee to call hearing.
Demand bi-partisan investigation into the 2004 Election NOW, not next year.
Ask Members of House Administration Committee to call hearing.
JUST DO IT! E-mail, write, phone, fax each one of these folks, and ask for the investigation! No excuse now.
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"Then the talk turned to the lost election, and John Edwards did echo the public's perception that "we lost the election; Bush had more votes...."
Kerry and Edwards must be as much in the know about this election fraud as forum members are though; he just didn't say anything about it..... sad.gif
At the end of the interview, John Edwards did mention that he doesn't think that he'll be practicing law in the forseeable future, that he'll stay in public service, and that his main priorities are too see that Elizabeth is well and healthy again" "I need her for the next forty years".
This was a wonderful interview by the Edwards, and I really admire Elizabeth, but I wish that John Edwards could have said something about the election manipulation...I realize that he doesn't want to appear to be a "sore loser", and he is probably thinking ahead to '06 and, of course, to '08.
Kerry and Edwards must be as much in the know about this election fraud as forum members are though; he just didn't say anything about it..... sad.gif
At the end of the interview, John Edwards did mention that he doesn't think that he'll be practicing law in the forseeable future, that he'll stay in public service, and that his main priorities are too see that Elizabeth is well and healthy again" "I need her for the next forty years".
This was a wonderful interview by the Edwards, and I really admire Elizabeth, but I wish that John Edwards could have said something about the election manipulation...I realize that he doesn't want to appear to be a "sore loser", and he is probably thinking ahead to '06 and, of course, to '08.
thats what an education and a plan will do for you.... give you wisedom that makes a difference!
and he echoed micheal moore's words.... "bush got more votes..."
- perry
QUOTE(kindergarten teacher @ Dec 10 2004, 12:31 PM)
Absolutely don't fall for anything they say on Fox. They would like to see Hillary Clinton run because a woman won't get elected president in our lifetime and they want the Republicans to keep on winning. So just take anything you hear on Fox with a grain of salt. Its all rubbish and brainwash there. Go to MSNBC or CNN where they don't beat you over the head with the RIGHT WING RHETORIC!
Thanks for your advice.
I do avoid Fox - except for coverage on Greta van Susteren of the Scott Peterson case.
I usually watch MSNBC or CNN.
And Dick Morris used to work with Clinton!
He really turned on his former boss.
Morris' talk about all the powerful contributors in our (the Democratic) party being behind Hillary must just be propaganda......
The main thing is that we fix those voting machines so that in future, they are absolutely rig-proof - whichever ways we can insure that.
There must be a way.....
I WISH that all the manipulated and uncounted votes and tactics keeping voters from the polls would reverse this election and give the Presidency to its rightful owner: John Kerry.
Maybe it's not too late.......
Hopefully,
and he echoed micheal moore's words.... "bush got more votes..."
- perry
I heard Michael Moore say that on the Jay Leno Show.
It puzzled me. <_<
Why isn't Michael Moore protesting the election returns and calling attention in the media to the election fraud?
It's not like him, in light of evidence of fraud, to say that Bush got more votes.
I hope that someone will answer my question.
Maybe only Michael Moore knows the reasons why he is not coming out in favor of recounts, and publically talking about this.
Yours sincerely,
- perry
I heard Michael Moore say that on the Jay Leno Show.
It puzzled me. <_<
Why isn't Michael Moore protesting the election returns and calling attention in the media to the election fraud?
It's not like him, in light of evidence of fraud, to say that Bush got more votes.
I hope that someone will answer my question.
Maybe only Michael Moore knows the reasons why he is not coming out in favor of recounts, and publically talking about this.
Yours sincerely,
I saw Mark Crispin Miller on I.N.N. World Report a couple of days ago discussing election irregularities and probable theft. Actually, he is completely convinced that the election was stolen. He said, and I agree, that what we need to do is totally blitz the mainstream media outlets. He says we need to start right now phoning, emailing, faxing, etc., that we should send them so much correspondence on this subject that it makes it hard for them to do their job.
This makes sense to me so I'm going to start right here with my local media. I've also cancelled my subscription to my local paper and I have of course let them know the reason. The fact that they endorsed Bush for reelection is just the start. When I search their website for articles re:election fraud, theft, etc., I only find articles about the Ukraine. So, I'm going to email them constantly and hope I can find some friends and neighbors to join me. Luckily, even though I live in a red-state, our neighborhood is mostly blue.
This makes sense to me so I'm going to start right here with my local media. I've also cancelled my subscription to my local paper and I have of course let them know the reason. The fact that they endorsed Bush for reelection is just the start. When I search their website for articles re:election fraud, theft, etc., I only find articles about the Ukraine. So, I'm going to email them constantly and hope I can find some friends and neighbors to join me. Luckily, even though I live in a red-state, our neighborhood is mostly blue.
QUOTE(EvelyninTexas @ Dec 10 2004, 01:27 PM)
I wrote the Baltimore Sun a nice thank you note for having the journalistic integrity and told them I hoped they would continue to investigate.
Got an automatic response back, but it does have a human's name on it, so I'll give it a couple of days, then write her.
Got an automatic response back, but it does have a human's name on it, so I'll give it a couple of days, then write her.
I sent them a thank-you as well, Evelyn. It's important that we let the few with guts know that they are appreciated.
Thanks for posting the article here, Mozart.
QUOTE(rebsmom @ Dec 10 2004, 07:00 PM)
I sent them a thank-you as well, Evelyn. It's important that we let the few with guts know that they are appreciated.
Thanks for posting the article here, Mozart.
Thanks for posting the article here, Mozart.
You're welcome, Rebsmom.
Has this been posted on the DU site, and others???
I don't get it!! 
People here constantly complain about the MSM not paying attention to the ELECTION FRAUD issue, and when a major newspaper (Baltimore Sun) writes a story that everyone around the world should see, people at this site seem to be silent about the article.
This seems to be a significant event. Why is it not being pushed to all of the media outlets??????
People here constantly complain about the MSM not paying attention to the ELECTION FRAUD issue, and when a major newspaper (Baltimore Sun) writes a story that everyone around the world should see, people at this site seem to be silent about the article.
This seems to be a significant event. Why is it not being pushed to all of the media outlets??????
QUOTE(c3po @ Dec 11 2004, 10:50 AM)
I don't get it!!
People here constantly complain about the MSM not paying attention to the ELECTION FRAUD issue, and when a major newspaper (Baltimore Sun) writes a story that everyone around the world should see, people at this site seem to be silent about the article.
This seems to be a significant event. Why is it not being pushed to all of the media outlets??????
People here constantly complain about the MSM not paying attention to the ELECTION FRAUD issue, and when a major newspaper (Baltimore Sun) writes a story that everyone around the world should see, people at this site seem to be silent about the article.
This seems to be a significant event. Why is it not being pushed to all of the media outlets??????
I said the same thing on another thred about this topic. Where is everybody???????????
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