Robin Baneth: The Catch-22 of Voting
"Ohio Vote in the 2004 Election" 12/8 Panel Hearing by House Democrats on the Judiciary Committee, Chaired by Conyers (MI)
By: Robin Baneth
Published: Dec 9, 2004

During yesterday's hearing in DC, the all-encompassing point was delivered by Jonathan Simon, Political Survey Research Analyst and the person who downloaded the pure exit polling data CNN before it was altered to match end results. This is the same data analyzed by Stephen Freeman that determined that Bush had more of a chance of winning THREE jackpot lotteries on the night of 11/2 than enjoying the late swinging of the votes so drastically (odds 250 million to one). Please note that all aberrations favor the same candidate.

Mr. Simon astutely points out that we all face a Catch-22 scenario when the majority party will not change a rigged voting system that put them there and will keep them in power. To paraphrase Jonathan: "We have lost the bedrock of our society."

The media now becomes our last estate to clarify and to educate and to embarrass the majority into sane voting procedures. Are printers asking to much? Please media help us. On an encouraging note, there is a small chance two sets of electors could be sent from Ohio to DC on 1/6. While the courts would then rule in the majority's favor as absolute power absolutely corrupts, it would be a feather in democracy's historical hat. I look forward to see which congressman or senator will put their job on the line (Edwards?) and become the hero this country needs. Think of the book tour!

Please, everyone, think about going to your State's Capitol this Sunday at noon. I will be at the Raleigh Vote Tally Rally in support of getting to the bottom of what happened in Ohio and Florida. There is one of these events in all 50 states and DC.
http://www.51capitalmarch.com/index.html I especially look forward to hearing Chuck Herrin speak who is a Republican Information Security Expert. I bet he wants a fair playing field too. Some people want to win fair and square. Those are the ones I want to listen to. In fact, I would be interested in his other opinions since he has proven fair-mindedness. Telling me I lost and to get over it just flies in the face of hard evidence.

After I finished a telephone interview with a print journalist today, I kicked myself for admitting my partisanship (and my age). I hope perhaps that honesty may be a short-term handicap but a long-term asset. Putting partisanship in on the table makes it sound like we have a case of sour grapes. However, in my "sour" mind, distrust of our voting system completely trumps "sour grapes." I have yet to hear any Republican logically dispute the widespread fraud -- even a single claim -- that is now so apparent (Warren County lockdown, 6-13 hour waits in the rain in minority and student precincts, discarded poll tapes in Volusia County, Florida, odd exit polling, electronic voting favoring one candidate, low voter turnout in Franklin County, Ohio despite record registration).

Naysayers (some voted for Kerry) are eerily quiet and sure aren't ignoring or laughing at us in the tin foil hat crowd anymore. The light in the tunnel may be an oncoming train and my advice to the lovers of fantasy is to get out of the way. There is just too much evidence to say "we lost, blah, blah, blah." I say, prove the incumbent won! Give us a nugget like Republicans had to wait 3 hours to vote in Stepford County, or paper ballots overwhelmingly favored Kerry, or Mitofsky used a new exit polling method that distorted Zogby's analysis, or that Simon's early exit poll numbers were hacked, or another example of late undecideds break for the incumbent, or one of the voting machine companies' CEOs voted for Dukakis, or that the chief IT programmer at Diebold does NOT have a criminal record in check fraud using computers, or that Palm Beach County has a good reason for withholding "top-secret" election records, or there was a good reason why election officials in Volusia County came in early to the warehouse on a Saturday morning after the election. Please give us something besides "we won, look at the final vote total." We should be happy the majority felt it necessary to report a vote total at all!

This president sure didn't win the three debates. This individual has been wrong about everything else: He was wrong about weapons of mass destruction, that we would be greeted as liberators, that troop levels were fine, mission accomplished, that the tax cuts would lead to more jobs, that squelching teachers regarding sex education would lead to fewer abortions (they have increased 16% after a decade of decline), that terrorism was not an issue prior to 9/11, that the Clean Air Act would clean the air, and Leave No Child Behind would work without funding. What has this president been right about? Why should we trust him or anyone who voted for him? I think some people believe the ends justifies the means, that Star Wars will save us, and imperialization of different cultures is the answer. Judging from the track record, there is reason to doubt. Fair and verifiable voting would assuage my doubt regarding our dubious adventure into the Fall of the American Empire.

A level playing field will benefit everyone and it is my belief that this paper-trail battle is a reasonable one and can be won. Any legal vote is a good vote as far as I am concerned. I would not oppose this person on some of his issues (like tax cuts for the wealthy) if I believed that a true majority put him there instead of election rigging. Nevertheless, I must admit that I am a registered Compassionate Liberal (Democrat). I do not believe that we are the minority. And in terms of morality, I believe as many Republicans as Democrats support the multi-billion dollar pornography industry in this country (I am not one of them) but I digress. By the way, www.blackboxvoting.org is non-partisan.

I would like to report that when I met Edwards last Tuesday I gave his Chief of Staff, a videotape of voting irregularities compiled from MSNBC, C-SPAN, and Black Box Voting. I believe Kerry-Edwards should pursue remedies in his case, such as re-vote Ohio and Florida. If he watches the tape I bet he won't concede so fast in 2008 (or 2012 or 2016).

Op-Ed
Diebold response to Baneth piece
Author: Mike Jacobsen, Diebold, Incorporated
Published on Dec 10, 2004, 07:20

Regarding Robin Baneth's 12/9 op-ed Diebold sent the following statement:

For your information, the chief IT programmer at Diebold Election Systems does NOT have a criminal record in check fraud using computers, as Robin Baneth asserts in yesterday's column. Diebold doesn't employ any convicted felons as developers. The person I believe you're referring to, Jeffrey Dean, was never officially employed by Diebold Election Systems. He was VP of development for Global Election Systems, the company Diebold acquired in January 2002. He was relieved of his duties only a few weeks after the acquisition. We would appreciate a clarification in your publication.

Also, FYI, Diebold had systems in only 2 counties in Ohio on election day -- Lucas (which went to Sen. Kerry by a wide margin) and Hardin (a very small jurisdiction in NW Ohio). Both used paper-based optical scan systems. Elsewhere in the country, our touchscreen systems were used predominantly, and with positive feedback from both voters and election officials, in Georgia, Maryland, California (Alameda County), Texas and Kansas. None of which were swing states.

Mike Jacobsen
Diebold, Incorporated
Director, Global Communications
www.diebold.com

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Man that was the saddest attempt of Diebold ever to try to cover their ass, that only makes people hate them more!!!!! Stupid AND vague, lol claiming the felons in their company are all reformed....What a crock.

Activisms!!! Where have you been? We missed you.....did you know there was a thread started, wondering what could have happened to you?
I hope you are ok, and welcome back....

Well don't know about that, but Auditor, Andy and the rest of those guys had to lay low because it turned out Bozos for Bush basically works for one of the companies they have been investigating/discrediting. Brossingnol works for them too!!! I've seen so much evidence and scary dealings about the Cybernet, Stryon, Yang guys that sometimes I have nightmares....These lunatics are out of their mind!!!!!!

Well don't know about that, but Auditor, Andy and the rest of those guys had to lay low because it turned out Bozos for Bush basically works for one of the companies they have been investigating/discrediting. Brossingnol works for them too!!! I've seen so much evidence and scary dealings about the Cybernet, Stryon, Yang guys that sometimes I have nightmares....These lunatics are out of their mind!!!!!!

They could take those diebold machines melt them down for scrap metal
for the humvees
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

and i got one of my replys deleted by the mods for calling Brossingnol a stalker man ever where you started a thread their was bross i new something was not wright when it walks like a duck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When I asked Brossingnol sometime back if he was paid by the Repubs to dispute voting fraud, I was moderated for it. How do you know he works for them? Has he admitted to this?

Well don't know about that, but Auditor, Andy and the rest of those guys had to lay low because it turned out Bozos for Bush basically works for one of the companies they have been investigating/discrediting. Brossingnol works for them too!!! I've seen so much evidence and scary dealings about the Cybernet, Stryon, Yang guys that sometimes I have nightmares....These lunatics are out of their mind!!!!!!

Please send me proof of these accusations about Bozos and Brossignol.
I don't want to be sent on another wild goose chase either. Bozos had some pretty hard facts about you , Auditor and Andy...
( look back on the activisms thread)

I have always second guessed your posts because half ( not all ) the time the links are questionable and usualy don't hold up to further scrutiny. Sorry Activisms... I've tried to believe you but I am not that gullible anymore. I think you get too quick to see a connection that you don't double check the sources. I got so tired of the sensationalized headlines ... I started purposely ignoring your posts. Sorry.

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First off, I don't really know about brossingol but I have heard a great deal about his company and it is one of the worst most shady companies I happen to have ever seen.

Right off the bat I can tell you for a fact, Auditor is not the same as Activism, brossingnol, or any of these characters and has nothing to do with them.

Activism helped the real group, which is our group dig up some research one time out of twenty. That is the extent at which any of this is connected. Also, Auditor hacked his GMAIL account so he could flush out Shadow Zombie, who is really for a fact the user Bozos for Bush, and they are nothing but liars with alot to hide.

Now, I'll make this short and sweet. If you want undeniable evidence of the investigation we are doing and what is currently in progress about it, along with a congressional testimony you can email me. It is that simple and I leave the choice to you. I already sent it to Activism upon request, and upon request all the information can be handed over.

My email address: SystemsInLine@hotmail.com Do you want it or do you not want it? And to be clear, we have been working with Madsen on this case the entire time, Jack Seymour is not real, everyone at the cannon blog website are lying and do not know the truth, and there is a congressman who signed off on this at the top. I have all the facts, I have a flood full of them. That is all there is to say, and now I am finished here.

I use to TRUST these machines. My mother has worked as an election worker and processed voters through the machines. I am sure she feels just as bad. I remember at one Democratic meeting. A person stood up and talked about the unreliablity of these machines and my mother stood up and basically said that she worked with those machines all the time and knew they were reliable.
I know she meant that with all her heart.

She's never said it but I know she probably feels guilty for saying that comment. She now rants about Diebold and how she believes that they hacked the vote.

*sigh*

is she a techie?  have some insight to their workings?

Please send me proof of these accusations about Bozos and Brossignol.
I don't want to be sent on another wild goose chase either. Bozos had some pretty hard facts about you , Auditor and Andy...
( look back on the activisms thread)

I have always second guessed your posts because half ( not all ) the time the links are questionable and usualy don't hold up to further scrutiny. Sorry Activisms... I've tried to believe you but I am not that gullible anymore. I think you get too quick to see a connection that you don't double check the sources. I got so tired of the sensationalized headlines ... I started purposely ignoring your posts. Sorry.

Total bull sit I have seen proof of it all, and the company luaptifer, bozos for bush, and brossingnol are all involved in!!!! You want it so bad mail that guy systemsinline, oh and for your further information, there IS NO GROUP activisms thats all BS and their group has nothing to do with me!!!!!! All they did was passed on info to me and others because they have all of it.

This is interesting. Which company does Bozos work for?