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Livyjr
I came out of my home this morning to find that during the night, someone had willfully violated the sanctity of my privacy by coming some 100 feet down my driveway to put a pile of excrement on the hood of my vehicle ....

The stop sign from the end of the road that I live on had been sheared off at its base, and the sign and post had been carried back to my driveway, and placed in such an obvious fashion that it was in the middle of the driveway, in off that road, blocking my egress ....

That was 6:30 or so this morning, and it sickens me still ...

The sight ...

The smell ...

The thought of how easy it was for someone to penetrate my privacy right up to outside my house ...

The message of the excrement and the stop sign together ....

HELPLESSNESS ....

STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING!

WE CAN HARM YOU AT WILL!

WE JUST DID!

And so ...
Snuffysmith
Some people are just plain whackos Liv. In this example, extremely mean spirited whackos.

Sounds like a teenage prank however. I had a similar experience recently but not quite as awful

as yours up in Pawling. Seems that one of the favorite pastimes of local country folk is to

see how many mailboxes and mailbox stands can be decimated in drive bys. My mailbox was

selected for some reason. But there is a God. While it got decimated, it also did a fair amount

of damage to the car that hit it - took out a front light, bumper piece and some other

loose ends, all left on the end of my driveway. I'm sorry you were targeted.
amy
Some people just act like assh*les, Liv. Over the years, we've had damage done to our property and to neighbors' properties by teenagers...mailboxes destroyed,heavy bottles thrown at our house, holiday decorations stolen....jerks. Infuriating....
rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 2 2008, 12:44 PM) *
I came out of my home this morning to find that during the night, someone had willfully violated the sanctity of my privacy by coming some 100 feet down my driveway to put a pile of excrement on the hood of my vehicle ....

The stop sign from the end of the road that I live on had been sheared off at its base, and the sign and post had been carried back to my driveway, and placed in such an obvious fashion that it was in the middle of the driveway, in off that road, blocking my egress ....

That was 6:30 or so this morning, and it sickens me still ...

The sight ...

The smell ...

The thought of how easy it was for someone to penetrate my privacy right up to outside my house ...

The message of the excrement and the stop sign together ....

HELPLESSNESS ....

STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING!

WE CAN HARM YOU AT WILL!

WE JUST DID!

And so ...

Social Justice and Equality of Opportunity reduces the Risk of Sectarian Violence and it reduces the Risk of Gang Violence, Organized Crime, Home-grown Terrioism and the Under-ground economy. De-criminalizing Drugs would also have a positive systemic effect for changing the direction of this Country...Our Goals are Peace, Prosperity and Wellness. We can not achieve these goals unless
we harness the Emergent Evolutionary Energy as an Intelligent Guiding Force carrying us forward
toward our Potential...and help each other perceive/conceive a Human Identification with each other
that brings positive feelings and Positive Intentions toward each other, to the Group as a whole
and for the Common Good... We get what we Train...
would
Livyjr
QUOTE(rla @ Aug 2 2008, 01:30 PM) *
.. We get what we Train...

Up here, rla, IGNORANCE and UGLY are what get trained ....

STOMP A LIBERAL is what gets trained ....

WE vs. THEM is what gets trained ....

MIGHT MAKES RIGHT is what gets trained ...

And the training is taking hold ....

Has been for a while, actually ....

Now a new generation is coming along with it ...

Evolution may be going forward where you are, rla ....

If so, to balance that, it is going backwards up here ...

Maybe it is a kind of osmosis ....

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Aug 2 2008, 11:55 AM) *
Some people are just plain whackos Liv.

In this example, extremely mean spirited whackos.

Sounds like a teenage prank however.

I'm sorry you were targeted.

TARGETED is the word, Snuf ....

I live on a small road ....

It was a dark night last night ....

Unless you knew that I was in there, you would drive right on by ....

My vehicle is back in off the road, and if you did not know that it was in there, you wouldn't know because you can't see it ...

So someone knew it was in there, and in the dark of the night, they made their way to their target and found it ....

So too the stop sign ....

They had to bring that back about about a quarter mile ....

And then they carried it and placed it in my driveway, just so ....

It was an intentional "assault", not a prank ...

An intentional act of violence ...

Somebody sent me a message, because they wanted a message being sent ....

And the worst part is not knowing who exactly that was that came and delivered that message ....

Along with the knowing that they can come back and strike at will ....

Just like they did last night ....

And these things do get written off as pranks ....

"AH, JUST SOME KIDS OUT HAVING FUN!"

So they become emboldened to carry it further ....

To escalate ....

With impunity ...

Which is what happened last night ....

That was a WILFUL TRESSPASS to cause harm ....

And it succeeded ...

Now, the only way to get this sickness that I feel inside of me as a result of this assault back out of me is to work hard to get it out ...

And that is why I put these words in this thread ....

To get these thoughts out of my head where they will just cause further damage ....

The thoughts that at any time, I can have acts of violence perpetrated against me on my own property up here, with no thought of legal recourse ....

Like the homeless people who get beat to death as a PRANK ...

Or set on fire ...

And so ...
amy
Livy,
You should report this to the police.
Livyjr
QUOTE(amy @ Aug 2 2008, 03:35 PM) *
Livy,

You should report this to the police.

I had them out there first thing this morning ...

I couldn't get out of my driveway because of the stop sign ...

So I just went in and called 911 and sat there and waited ....

They took pictures of my truck and the stop sign ...

They verified where it had been broken off down the road ...

They took a report ....

They removed the stop sign from where it had been placed in my driveway ...

So that much was done ....

The question now becomes one of where that report now goes ...

The source of this problem is political ...

It relates to a stance that I took against government corruption many years ago up here as a citizen and as an engineer ...

In the past, these people perpetrating these hate acts against me have been politically protected at a level higher than the police ....

UNTOUCHABLES ...

POLITICAL GOONS ...

ENFORCERS ...

And MALICIOUS PUNKS goaded on by them to do violence against me ...

The police can take a report, but they can't prosecute the crimes ....

Making a police report and then having no follow-up action taken in many ways is worse that staying silent ...

It only serves to visibly amplify and broadcast your state of helplessness ...

And hence, this blatant escalation ....

Which had someone brazenly penetrating my property to right up outside my house ...

And so ...
rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 2 2008, 03:43 PM) *
Up here, rla, IGNORANCE and UGLY are what get trained ....

STOMP A LIBERAL is what gets trained ....

WE vs. THEM is what gets trained ....

MIGHT MAKES RIGHT is what gets trained ...

And the training is taking hold ....

Has been for a while, actually ....

Now a new generation is coming along with it ...

Evolution may be going forward where you are, rla ....

If so, to balance that, it is going backwards up here ...

Maybe it is a kind of osmosis ....

And so ...

We're eat up with Ignorance down here too, Livyjr.
Livyjr
My metaphor is the lava lamp, rla ...

In a lava lamp, one thing is always rising ....

But at the same time, another is always sinking ....

This is also the basis of the I Ching which is ancient, yet still survives as a tool of applied human psychology ...

Evolution is not always in a forwards direction ...

He or she who would be enlightened must keep this thought in mind, is my thought ....

And so ...
cutecat
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 2 2008, 12:44 PM) *
I came out of my home this morning to find that during the night, someone had willfully violated the sanctity of my privacy by coming some 100 feet down my driveway to put a pile of excrement on the hood of my vehicle ....

The stop sign from the end of the road that I live on had been sheared off at its base, and the sign and post had been carried back to my driveway, and placed in such an obvious fashion that it was in the middle of the driveway, in off that road, blocking my egress ....

That was 6:30 or so this morning, and it sickens me still ...

The sight ...

The smell ...

The thought of how easy it was for someone to penetrate my privacy right up to outside my house ...

The message of the excrement and the stop sign together ....

HELPLESSNESS ....

STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING!

WE CAN HARM YOU AT WILL!

WE JUST DID!

And so ...


Purpose or reason requires action. If the intent was to harm you, intimidate you or respond to you specifically and you do not know who it was then further action is required. Any act against you based on the rights in the bill of rights is a federal offense. 1st make sure it is reported, next review for other acts in area and contact those who also have been targeted. Protection goes beyond self when the motive of the action is hate.
If the act was a random act and you were not the target just an easy location then destruction of city and private property is crimnal and should be acted on.
Pegatha

Livyjr-

I'm so sorry that this happened to you. Any suspicions as to the perps?

-Peggy
Livyjr
QUOTE(Pegatha @ Aug 2 2008, 08:18 PM) *
Livyjr-

I'm so sorry that this happened to you.

Any suspicions as to the perps?

-Peggy

Well, there is certainly suspicion ....

But unfortunately, suspicion and fifty cents buys coffee ....
Livyjr
QUOTE(cutecat @ Aug 2 2008, 07:40 PM) *
Purpose or reason requires action.

If the intent was to harm you, intimidate you or respond to you specifically and you do not know who it was then further action is required.

Up here where I am, political intimidation is an "art form" ....

In the county where I live, they call politics "blood sport" ...

This was an example of it ....

And you are right on several counts ....

Further action is required ....

But where people doing the intimidation have the "protection" of the "system", further action becomes a pipe dream ...

There is where the root of the problem lies, in my estimation ....

We do not have EQUAL JUSTICE up here where I am .....

Not even the pretence of it ....

Not in a corrupt political society ....

Not if you don't have the money to buy some for yourself to surpass the "protection" the corrupt are able to purchase ...

Corruption protects itself, because it has no qualms about the use of violence to do so ...

And when corruption controls the mechanism of justice at the county level, by controlling the office of the district attorney, there is no recourse for people like me who have gone up against this corruption up here as a citizen ...

And so ...
graham4anything
I would take this higher than your local police

This was political intimidation it appears

Maybe the ACLU as your civil rights are being violated (freedom of speech?)

This sounds like a coordinated "hit" on you to silence you. NOT teen silly games or something like that.

While I don't trust the US Governemnt to do anything to help, maybe the answer is to be
MORE vocal...go to the media and tell them a cover-up is being done (not that the media
will be anxious to stir the pot), but the alternative media

Sounds like you have uncovered so much corruption, it is scaring them and "they"(whoever they is here), are running very scared.
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 3 2008, 05:37 AM) *
While I don't trust the US Governemnt to do anything to help, maybe the answer is to be MORE vocal...go to the media and tell them a cover-up is being done (not that the media will be anxious to stir the pot), but the alternative media ...

As far as I am concerned, graham ....

THIS in here IS the alternative media ....

THIS forum is the only place in America right now that I can see OUR voices going out to the world uncensored and unedited ....

And without a fight to get ahold of someone's attention to get a story like this published ....

And so far as I know, this forum is respected ....

The alternative media might not be ...

That is why they are called "alternative" ....

And it is a pejorative label, "alternative", as in "not main stream" .....

And I don't even know who they are, actually, these "alternative media" ....

You live in NYC, so down there, you are surrounded by many alternatives ....

Not so up here in the country where I am ...

This **** goes back to a stand that I took against corruption up here where I am ....

A stand that included Joe Bruno, who is known as the "IRON DUKE" up here ....

Joe Bruno had power up here for all the years that he did because Joe could unleash violence against someone he considered as his enemy at the snap of his finger, and more importantly, he controlled the "mechanisms" of justice in this area, so his "engines of violence" were in turn protected from the law ....

It was his son who was district attorney when some of this retaliatory **** was happening ....

Joe was involved in the promotion of the false appraisals and certifications of land that underlie this present housing market melt-down ...

THE SCAM ....

I blew the whistle on Joe and some other powerful political people up here ....

And Joe ordered a massive retaliation ....

And then I made the serious and fatal mistake of trusting the FBI to be non-political, by giving evidence to them ...

That was a very serious error in judgment on my part ....

Joe had them run out of town like a whipped dog with their tail between their legs, and very publicly so ....

When the FBI is in town out in the countryside, they don't blend, and everybody and his brother knows they are around and WHY ...

So when they get run out of town and are gone, everybody knows that too, and WHY .....

And they know who it was that got them there in the first place, which was me ....

And when they know the FBI aren't coming back, the LONG HARD RIDE begins ...

I actually had an FBI agent tell me to get out of town ...

To run ...

To go hide ....

I told him to go **** himself in return ...

So an engine of intimidation and retaliation was set in motion with me as its target, and it was never turned back off again ....

It has caused me to have to live like a fugitive up here, not trusting anyone ...

Never knowing when the next attack might come ...

Or from whom, exactly, since it is the NIGHT RIDERS who generally have been doing this damage ...

But this is the first time I am aware of where someone has penetrated my property to right outside my home like this to do such a blatant act ....

So there has now been an escalation which I am powerless right now to do a thing about ....

And to be truthful graham, I would be better off relying on the man in the moon than the ACLU ....

Bringing them to town would be worse than relying on the FBI in my estimation ....

The ACLU isn't going to do ****-all to stop this **** ...

And I am not going to kid myself that they can or would ...

And so ...
Livyjr
Maybe I should have titled this "WHEN IS A HATE CRIME NOT A HATE CRIME" ....

And that answer would be when it is political retaliation and intimidation .....

Since that is considered a part of "politics", or the "holding of political power", up here, those activities are exempt from the law by agreement of the two parties who do hold power and vie between themselves for exclusive control of it ....

And since the parties essentially "own" ALL of the government, including district attorneys and judges, they can enforce that "agreement" not to protect "dissidents" ...

From the bottom all the way up to the top ....

And so they do ....

And so they have ...

And I am sick of it ....

And I am not getting run off the land where I have lived all my life ....

How exactly I am going to keep that from happening, I am not sure in the face of this latest escalation ...

But I will be damned if I am just going to sit there and be silent about it ....

So let the NIGHT RIDERS come ...

And the story will then continue in here until I can't type anymore ...

And so it all will go ....

And so ...
Istoodforu
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 3 2008, 07:26 AM) *
This **** goes back to a stand that I took against corruption up here where I am ....

A stand that included Joe Bruno, who is known as the "IRON DUKE" up here ....

Joe Bruno had power up here for all the years that he did because Joe could unleash violence against someone he considered as his enemy at the snap of his finger, and more importantly, he controlled the "mechanisms" of justice in this area, so his "engines of violence" were in turn protected from the law ....

It was his son who was district attorney when some of this retaliatory **** was happening ....

Joe was involved in the promotion of the false appraisals and certifications of land that underlie this present housing market melt-down ...

THE SCAM ....

I blew the whistle on Joe and some other powerful political people up here ....

And Joe ordered a massive retaliation ....

And then I made the serious and fatal mistake of trusting the FBI to be non-political, by giving evidence to them ...

That was a very serious error in judgment on my part ....

Joe had them run out of town like a whipped dog with their tail between their legs, and very publicly so ....

When the FBI is in town out in the countryside, they don't blend, and everybody and his brother knows they are around and WHY ...

So when they get run out of town and are gone, everybody knows that too, and WHY .....

And they know who it was that got them there in the first place, which was me ....

And when they know the FBI aren't coming back, the LONG HARD RIDE begins ...

I actually had an FBI agent tell me to get out of town ...

To run ...

To go hide ....

I told him to go **** himself in return ...


In earlier post you said that this episode with the "Iron Duke" started many years ago. Has there been any recent developments that might have prompted this vandalism?
rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 3 2008, 07:26 AM) *
As far as I am concerned, graham ....

THIS in here IS the alternative media ....

THIS forum is the only place in America right now that I can see OUR voices going out to the world uncensored and unedited ....

And without a fight to get ahold of someone's attention to get a story like this published ....

And so far as I know, this forum is respected ....

The alternative media might not be ...

That is why they are called "alternative" ....

And it is a pejorative label, "alternative", as in "not main stream" .....

And I don't even know who they are, actually, these "alternative media" ....

You live in NYC, so down there, you are surrounded by many alternatives ....

Not so up here in the country where I am ...

This **** goes back to a stand that I took against corruption up here where I am ....

A stand that included Joe Bruno, who is known as the "IRON DUKE" up here ....

Joe Bruno had power up here for all the years that he did because Joe could unleash violence against someone he considered as his enemy at the snap of his finger, and more importantly, he controlled the "mechanisms" of justice in this area, so his "engines of violence" were in turn protected from the law ....

It was his son who was district attorney when some of this retaliatory **** was happening ....

Joe was involved in the promotion of the false appraisals and certifications of land that underlie this present housing market melt-down ...

THE SCAM ....

I blew the whistle on Joe and some other powerful political people up here ....

And Joe ordered a massive retaliation ....

And then I made the serious and fatal mistake of trusting the FBI to be non-political, by giving evidence to them ...

That was a very serious error in judgment on my part ....

Joe had them run out of town like a whipped dog with their tail between their legs, and very publicly so ....

When the FBI is in town out in the countryside, they don't blend, and everybody and his brother knows they are around and WHY ...

So when they get run out of town and are gone, everybody knows that too, and WHY .....

And they know who it was that got them there in the first place, which was me ....

And when they know the FBI aren't coming back, the LONG HARD RIDE begins ...

I actually had an FBI agent tell me to get out of town ...

To run ...

To go hide ....

I told him to go **** himself in return ...

So an engine of intimidation and retaliation was set in motion with me as its target, and it was never turned back off again ....

It has caused me to have to live like a fugitive up here, not trusting anyone ...

Never knowing when the next attack might come ...

Or from whom, exactly, since it is the NIGHT RIDERS who generally have been doing this damage ...

But this is the first time I am aware of where someone has penetrated my property to right outside my home like this to do such a blatant act ....

So there has now been an escalation which I am powerless right now to do a thing about ....

And to be truthful graham, I would be better off relying on the man in the moon than the ACLU ....

Bringing them to town would be worse than relying on the FBI in my estimation ....

The ACLU isn't going to do ****-all to stop this **** ...

And I am not going to kid myself that they can or would ...

And so ...


The opposite of what Hate crimes represent in our Social System is the Democratic Party Mantra:
that FDR constructed from His Supra and Super Community at Warm Springs, Georgia where he demonstrated that the best Rehabilitation is the same as the Best Habilitation provided by the
most effective and efficient families in the most efficient and effective Communities...the Mantra
is"Social Justice and Equality of Opportunity Reduces the Risk of Hate Crimes...also reduces the
Risk of Home Grown Terriorist Acts.
rla
Much of CGCS Dialogue is carried live on Goggle...
rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 3 2008, 07:41 AM) *
Maybe I should have titled this "WHEN IS A HATE CRIME NOT A HATE CRIME" ....

And that answer would be when it is political retaliation and intimidation .....

Since that is considered a part of "politics", or the "holding of political power", up here, those activities are exempt from the law by agreement of the two parties who do hold power and vie between themselves for exclusive control of it ....

And since the parties essentially "own" ALL of the government, including district attorneys and judges, they can enforce that "agreement" not to protect "dissidents" ...

From the bottom all the way up to the top ....

And so they do ....

And so they have ...

And I am sick of it ....

And I am not getting run off the land where I have lived all my life ....

How exactly I am going to keep that from happening, I am not sure in the face of this latest escalation ...

But I will be damned if I am just going to sit there and be silent about it ....

So let the NIGHT RIDERS come ...

And the story will then continue in here until I can't type anymore ...

And so it all will go ....

And so ...


WhAT IS THE CRITERIA FOR DISCRIMINATING: Between Terriuistic Acts and Defending one's
Person soverignity?
graham4anything

what the one being harrassed is saying(the truth), and what the harrasser wants covered
up (the truth)

and which person is doing the labelling

(a case in point could be the thrax guy who "committed suicide" yet a back story is being
created as we speak)...

rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 2 2008, 07:03 PM) *
My metaphor is the lava lamp, rla ...

In a lava lamp, one thing is always rising ....

But at the same time, another is always sinking ....

This is also the basis of the I Ching which is ancient, yet still survives as a tool of applied human psychology ...

Evolution is not always in a forwards direction ...

He or she who would be enlightened must keep this thought in mind, is my thought ....

And so ...


That certainly is common sense on which we sit on common ground. It is not as if the
Rotting Apple Core Model Of Human Personality has not been disproved many times over.
We don't get there, as humans in small, almost irreversable increments...We can get there
in a dial or click in as much as the Human Organism acts as a whole most of the time, in most places. In my opinion, a Wellness Orientation helps us transform these personal and community
developments Problems into Purposeful, Personal and Community Development Goals: Achieve Social Justice and Equal Opportunities for all community members (Citizens), Universal Not-for-Profit Health and Wellness, etc....
rla
QUOTE(rla @ Aug 3 2008, 08:53 AM) *
That certainly is common sense on which we sit on common ground. It is not as if the
Rotting Apple Core Model Of Human Personality has not been disproved many times over.
We don't get there, as humans in small, almost irreversable increments...We can get there
in a dial or click in as much as the Human Organism acts as a whole most of the time, in most places. In my opinion, a Wellness Orientation helps us transform these personal and community
developments Problems into Purposeful, Personal and Community Development Goals: Achieve Social Justice and Equal Opportunities for all community members (Citizens), Universal Not-for-Profit Health and Wellness, etc....

The reason so much History gets centered on MLK is that he was a major conduit for a Foundational Philosophy of the Human Personing Process on Earth, through Time across Space. This work can be understood and appreciated independently of how individuals and groups may interpret it from a Theological Perspective. MLK achieved what Jessie Jackson and others who worked for Social Justice and Equal Opportunity through the social vehicle of the Black Church, failed to do. I think the important system's principle is to stay Person-centered, community-based, State and Nationally Guaranteed. A Major Role of Government, at all levels is to serve a proactive Consummer Advocate
Role. All
Regulatory Agencies are constitutionally charged to protect the Rights and enforce the Responsibilities of Citizenship (another reason we can't afford to let the Immigration Problem stew forever)...
Livyjr
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Aug 3 2008, 07:07 AM) *
In earlier post you said that this episode with the "Iron Duke" started many years ago.

Has there been any recent developments that might have prompted this vandalism?

There is a BIG PART of the hell of this ....

The intentional infliction of emotional distress ...

The not knowing ....

The not having a clue ....

One of the deputies asked me who my "enemies" were ....

I responded by asking him who didn't like him simply because he wore the uniform of a deputy sheriff ....

How are you going to know what spurred on some person to do a thing like this ....

And the excrement was put there by someone who climbed up on the hood of my truck to personally put it there by ******** it there ...

My hood is still caved in ...

This to me is akin to going outside in the morning and finding your dog gutted and decapitated on your lawn ...

The sickness and disgust are with me still ...

I can't honestly answer your question because I just do not know ....

And so ....
Livyjr
QUOTE(rla @ Aug 3 2008, 07:23 AM) *
Much of CGCS Dialogue is carried live on Goggle...

That is why I call this the ONLY ALTERNATIVE MEDIA IN AMERICA THAT THERE IS ....

It is real time in here ....

No time delay ....

No sitting there on Sunday waiting for Monday to come so you can try and get access at some newspaper office ....

No having to travel ....

And yet being able to travel the world, in a flash ...

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(rla @ Aug 3 2008, 07:30 AM) *
WhAT IS THE CRITERIA FOR DISCRIMINATING:

Between Terriuistic Acts and Defending one's Person soverignity?

You ask a question which needs asking in here, rla ....

And it needs answering as well ....

To do that, it is necessary to take a hard look at the language of the U.S. Supreme Court in a fairly recent United States Supreme Court ruling, to wit:

UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT

GARCETTI et al. v. CEBALLOS


certiorari to the united states court of appeals for the ninth circuit

No. 04-473. 

Argued October 12, 2005--Reargued March 21, 2006--Decided May 30, 2006

When a citizen enters government service, the citizen by necessity must accept certain limitations on his or her freedom.

See, e.g., Waters v. Churchill, 511 U. S. 661, 671 (1994) (plurality opinion)

("[T]he government as employer indeed has far broader powers than does the government as sovereign").

Government employers, like private employers, need a significant degree of control over their employees' words and actions; without it, there would be little chance for the efficient provision of public services.

Cf. Connick, supra, at 143

("[G]overnment offices could not function if every employment decision became a constitutional matter").

Public employees, moreover, often occupy trusted positions in society.

When they speak out, they can express views that contravene governmental policies or impair the proper performance of governmental functions.


http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getc...mp;invol=04-473

THE "GOVERNMENT" AS EMPLOYER HAS FAR BROADER POWERS THAN DOES THE GOVERNMENT AS SOVEREIGN ....

That is an incredible statement, rla .....

As sovereign, the government has to enforce the law ....

However, as an employer, the same government DOES NOT have to obey the law ....

PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, MOREOVER, OCCUPY TRUSTED POSITIONS IN SOCIETY ...

I did ....

I was a decorated combat veteran with an honorable discharge ...

I was a graduate level engineer ....

I had been educated in part on a grant from the USEPA ...

I was certified by the State of New York as a senior level public health engineer in New York State ....

I was charged with enforcing the Public Health Law in New York State, where violations are misdemeanors carrying a possible penalty of one year in jail for violations deemed wilful ...

I was an expert witness in public health matters and tesified on behalf of the public in NYS in that regard ....

So I was a definite threat to corruption ....

And my public employer was corrupt ....

That was a matter of public record ....

That is why I was hired ....

I was hired to clean the place out ....

To restore integrity to the public health programs ...

I was commended by the state health commissioner for having done so ...

So I became an even bigger threat to the corruption ....

I had to be shut up by the CORRUPT EMPLOYER, which according to the U.S. Supreme Court, has FAR BROADER POWERS THAN DOES THE GOVERNMENT AS SOVEREIGN ....

And they do, rla, at least in New York State ....

In New York State they can in fact use acts of terror to silence a public employee, and the federal courts up here allow that terror to be used to shut up persons like me ....

That is a matter of public record now up here, long since .....

And this latest assault on me is an outgrowth of that public policy ....

ACTS OF TERROR AS POLITICAL RETALIATION ARE PERMISSABLE AS ACTS OF POLITICAL EXPRESSION HERE IN NEW YORK STATE ...

And so ...
Frenchy
Sorry you had to suffer this incident, Livyir.
Livyjr
Thank you, Frenchy ...

Your good thoughts are appreciated ...

I am still very upset by this and it is affecting my breathing ...

I have rocket fragments lodged near my spine in my neck, and my neck is slowly collapsing and it is pinching off nerves as it does ....

If I have stress inflicted on me, it affects my breathing muscles ...

I have to gulp air like a fish or I feel like I am drowning ....
Istoodforu
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 3 2008, 11:34 AM) *
There is a BIG PART of the hell of this ....

The intentional infliction of emotional distress ...

The not knowing ....

The not having a clue ....

One of the deputies asked me who my "enemies" were ....

I responded by asking him who didn't like him simply because he wore the uniform of a deputy sheriff ....

How are you going to know what spurred on some person to do a thing like this ....

And the excrement was put there by someone who climbed up on the hood of my truck to personally put it there by ******** it there ...

My hood is still caved in ...

This to me is akin to going outside in the morning and finding your dog gutted and decapitated on your lawn ...

The sickness and disgust are with me still ...

I can't honestly answer your question because I just do not know ....

And so ....


I'm really sorry this happened to you, Liv. It was a really disgusting and disrespectful violation of your space. Based on what I know, I hesitate to call it a "hate crime," but it can still shatter one's sense of security at home.


The act may have been carried out with a lot less intentionality than you imagine.

This sort of vandalism has often been "unmotivated anti-social behavior." That is to say that the perp has no coherent goal or purpose in mind. He may have been acting on an impulse while drinking. The act may have been reinforced by peers trying to outdo each other in gross behavior. Vandalism often expresses a hostile message about as coherent as an animal scent marking territory. At the time, the perp may have had little thought of how his behavior might affect you.


Maybe you are giving the perp more credit than he deserves for mindful behavior-----and beating yourself up with self-doubt in the process.


It's important that you reported this to the police. If it is "unmotivated" the perp is likely to do it again and get caught. If it's intimidation, you have called their bluff by notifying the police.

Please let us know if there are more developments.
rla
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Aug 3 2008, 12:28 PM) *
I'm really sorry this happened to you, Liv. It was a really disgusting and disrespectful violation of your space. Based on what I know, I hesitate to call it a "hate crime," but it can still shatter one's sense of security at home.
The act may have been carried out with a lot less intentionality than you imagine.

This sort of vandalism has often been "unmotivated anti-social behavior." That is to say that the perp has no coherent goal or purpose in mind. He may have been acting on an impulse while drinking. The act may have been reinforced by peers trying to outdo each other in gross behavior. Vandalism often expresses a hostile message about as coherent as an animal scent marking territory. At the time, the perp may have had little thought of how his behavior might affect you.
Maybe you are giving the perp more credit than he deserves for mindful behavior-----and beating yourself up with self-doubt in the process.
It's important that you reported this to the police. If it is "unmotivated" the perp is likely to do it again and get caught. If it's intimidation, you have called their bluff by notifying the police.

Please let us know if there are more developments.

The fact that this less obviously terristic structure exist in the Social is what makes it possible for
the practice of Bossism to persist. It helps hide it. It allows everybody to say, "Its just politics."
rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 3 2008, 12:15 PM) *
Thank you, Frenchy ...

Your good thoughts are appreciated ...

I am still very upset by this and it is affecting my breathing ...

I have rocket fragments lodged near my spine in my neck, and my neck is slowly collapsing and it is pinching off nerves as it does ....

If I have stress inflicted on me, it affects my breathing muscles ...

I have to gulp air like a fish or I feel like I am drowning ....

I know what you mean. My sleep apnea got so bad I qualified for a C-tap machine. Can't hardly wait to go to bed every night.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Aug 3 2008, 11:28 AM) *
I'm really sorry this happened to you, Liv.

It was a really disgusting and disrespectful violation of your space.

Based on what I know, I hesitate to call it a "hate crime," but it can still shatter one's sense of security at home.

Thanks for you alternative analysis, Istoodforu ....

As you say, ALL THING ARE POSSIBLE ....

However, all things are not equally plausible .....

And the HELL for me is in the NOT KNOWING, right now ....

Whether or not it could be properly termed a HATE CRIME is indeed debatable ....

There I won't argue with you ...

What is not debatable is that it was a GROSS VIOLATION of my "space" ....

And it has SHATTERED my sense of security at home, especially where I live out in the country, shielded from view of the road by a thick screen of tall trees ...

For someone to have climbed up on the hood of my truck to take a **** as they did, they had to come down a country road on a pitch-black night and find my driveway in a woods, and then, under the canopy of those trees on a pitch-black night, they had to negotiate my driveway through the trees to find my truck ...

Could this have been somebody drunk and stumbling around in the dark who got "lucky"?

Perhaps ....

All things are indeed possible ....

If not exactly plausible ....

And you are right about one thing in here ....

I have to get beyond this ....

Get beyond how sick it is making me .....

Get the image out of my head where it seems right now to be indelibly etched in my forebrain ....

Get the smell out of my nostrils ...

The gagging out of my stomach ...

Get beyond the FEAR FACTOR ....

The UNCERTAINTY FACTOR ....

I have to ....

The alternative only destroys me ....

Nobody else ....

And so ...

I appreciate your words, Istoodforu ...

And so ...
rla
You may fight for your right to party after you do you do your part to make a living and other-
wise meet your obligations as a Citizen...With the Rehabilitation and Independent Living Movement, Persons with severe disabilities built Independent Living
Centers in their Communities to help them do this. What do the rest of us need to do? How can the Democratic Party promote Diversity within Integration and Mutual Self-Help Networks within Nations, Between Nations, and Among Nations. If you do not ask for what you want, you may not get it.
Livyjr
QUOTE(rla @ Aug 3 2008, 12:04 PM) *
The fact that this less obviously terristic structure exist in the Social is what makes it possible for the practice of Bossism to persist.

It helps hide it.

It allows everybody to say, "Its just politics."

You're hitting the nail right on the head here, rla ....

It is exactly that simple ....

And it is very effective ....

People are very tractable in the face of implied violence against them ....

And what keeps them tractable is the very visible use of actual violence against those in the community who refuse to be cowed by the implied threat ....

And so ...

Up here, people walk around like turtles with their heads down inside their shoulders, so that they won't stand out or get noticed ....

And so ...
rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 3 2008, 01:23 PM) *
Thanks for you alternative analysis, Istoodforu ....

As you say, ALL THING ARE POSSIBLE ....

However, all things are not equally plausible .....

And the HELL for me is in the NOT KNOWING, right now ....

Whether or not it could be properly termed a HATE CRIME is indeed debatable ....

There I won't argue with you ...

What is not debatable is that it was a GROSS VIOLATION of my "space" ....

And it has SHATTERED my sense of security at home, especially where I live out in the country, shielded from view of the road by a thick screen of tall trees ...

For someone to have climbed up on the hood of my truck to take a **** as they did, they had to come down a country road on a pitch-black night and find my driveway in a woods, and then, under the canopy of those trees on a pitch-black night, they had to negotiate my driveway through the trees to find my truck ...

Could this have been somebody drunk and stumbling around in the dark who got "lucky"?

Perhaps ....

All things are indeed possible ....

If not exactly plausible ....

And you are right about one thing in here ....

I have to get beyond this ....

Get beyond how sick it is making me .....

Get the image out of my head where it seems right now to be indelibly etched in my forebrain ....

Get the smell out of my nostrils ...

The gagging out of my stomach ...

Get beyond the FEAR FACTOR ....

The UNCERTAINTY FACTOR ....

I have to ....

The alternative only destroys me ....

Nobody else ....

And so ...

I appreciate your words, Istoodforu ...

And so ...

In 1958 I recall accidentally overhearing my first wife's younger brother and her slightly older
brother laughing and talking about the younger brother, being egged on by a group of the older brother's friends, deficating on the pulpit of a Black Country Church.
Livyjr
QUOTE(rla @ Aug 3 2008, 12:35 PM) *
In 1958 I recall accidentally overhearing my first wife's younger brother and her slightly older brother laughing and talking about the younger brother, being egged on by a group of the older brother's friends, deficating on the pulpit of a Black Country Church.

Was that just a prank do you think, rla, because it was committed by a young person?
Livyjr
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Aug 3 2008, 07:07 AM) *
In earlier post you said that this episode with the "Iron Duke" started many years ago.

Has there been any recent developments that might have prompted this vandalism?

Last night, I had a visit from a New York State Trooper concerning this matter under discussion in here ....

And he asked me a question very similar to the one that Istoodforu has posed above here ...

And that question is similar to one that Indianhead posed to me, as well, which can be paraphrased as follows:

WHAT HAVE I DONE TO DESERVE THIS?

And all of this takes me back in time to the "ROOTS" ....

WHO HAVE I HARMED THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO RETALIATE AGAINST ME IN THIS WAY?

To get to those "ROOTS", we have to "fast-forward' back to 1986 in the CORRUPT EMPIRE of New York, to a time when present-New York State Attorney General Andy Cuomo's dad, Mario Cuomo was the governor of New York State ....

And to perhaps better understand some of this background, it is necessary to understand that in many ways in New York State, 1986 is a watershed year for the HOUSING MARKET MELT-DOWN and all the mortgage SCAMS that are bleeding all of these big banks for BILLIONS of dollars today ....

And how I fit into all of this what is going on today, including this "attack" on my peace of mind and sense of personal security in New York State this past weekend ...

In 1986, New York State Attorney General Andy Cuomo's dad, "BIG MERRY-O", made a GREAT BIG PUBLIC HOO-HAH about how he was going to end corruption in New York State ....

So that what is happening right now with the MORTGAGE MESS in America could not be happening ....

That GREAT BIG PUBLIC HOO-HAH of "BIG MERRY-O" Cuomo in 1986 is captured and memorialized for eternity and posterity in the New York State Legislative Annual for 1986, as follows:

"TEN YEARS AGO, a study by the Joint House-Senate Subcommittee on Investigations estimated the costs of white-collar crime at MORE THAN forty-four BILLION dollars".

"The incidence of white-collar crime has not abated in the last decade; instead, it has spiraled ever-upward as economic crime has become increasingly profitable and sophisticated!"

"The effects of major economic crime can be devastating: THE WHOLE SOCIETY suffers as crimes against business become crimes against consumers."

"GREEDY, WHITE-COLLAR PROFITEERS WILL NOT BE STOPPED until we adopt strong measures to stop them!"


- Governor's Approval memorandum, New York State Legislative Annual -1986, p.236

TEN YEARS AGO ....

MORE THAN FORTY-FOUR BILLION DOLLARS ....

HAS NOT ABATED ....

A RATIONAL QUESTION - HOW DID "BIG MERRY-O" CUOMO KNOW THESE THING TEN YEARS LATER IN 1986?

ANOTHER RATIONAL QUESTION - WHERE EXACTLY WAS THIS ILLICIT FORTY-FOUR BILLION DOLLARS BEING STASHED?

A THIRD RATIONAL QUESTION - IF IT WAS SUCH A SERIOUS PROBLEM, WHY DID THE STATE OF NEW YORK WAIT TEN YEARS TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT?

The answer to those questions comes from musing for a moment about what you do IF you are the one sitting on this ILLICIT $44 BILLION ...

What good is it if you can't spend it?

And what do you spend $44 BILLION on?

And the answer is that you need to be able to invest it in big projects - BECAUSE YOU NEED TO LAUNDER IT ....

Like through a government, for example ....

WHO IS GOING TO KNOW?

To launder that kind of money, you need a government to help you do so ....

So you make a PARTNERSHIP ...

It is my belief that that is what was being done between 1976 and 1986 ....

A partnership was forged between the "State" of New York and those holding this $44 BILLION in illicit funds ....

It is my belief that initially, this money began to be funneled into the NYS Legislature through certain hand-picked politicians ...

The money would come into their campaign "WARCHESTS", and in turn, they would "flow" it into the campaign "WARCHESTS" of other politicans at the state level in NYS, until a sort of cadre had been built up to sufficient size to form a veritable machine to launder all of this money through ....

My information and belief comes to me through an official investigation that I was a part of from 1986 until 1988 ....

I was investigating the flow of some of this money into "housing subdivisions" ...

Other investigations were looking into this money flowing into such projects as strip malls .....

Projects where nobody ever checks to see where the money is really coming from ....

My job back then in 1986 was to get in the road of this CORRUPTION in the "housing industry" in New York, and to stop it in its tracks ...

And my "ERROR" was in taking that duty seriously ....

MY ERROR WAS IN NOT LYING TO THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, ACTUALLY ....

MY ERROR WAS IN NOT SAYING ONE THING PUBLICLY, WHILE DOING THE OPPOSITE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WHERE "NOBODY WOULD KNOW" THE DIFFERENCE ...

Or be able to prove it, anyway ...

MY ERROR IN JUDGMENT IN THE CORRUPT EMPIRE OF NEW YORK WAS IN BEING PROFESSIONAL, NOT POLITICAL ....

MY ERROR IN JUDGMENT WAS IN NOT BEING CORRUPT, AND IN NOT TOLERATING CORRUPTION IN MY HOME TOWN AND HOME STATE ...

There is where I went wrong ....

And for that, I "DESERVE" continual punishment, at least in the eyes of those who feed off CORRUPTION in New York State, which is THE MANY ...

As to the alleged INVESTMENT FRAUD and HOUSING MARKET SCAMS that we are saddled with today in America, those were very accurately predicted back in 1986 in New York State, in ARTICLE 460 of the New York State Penal Law, entitled ENTERPRISE CORRUPTION, which is itself part of TITLE X of the New York State Penal Law, entitled ORGANIZED CRIME CONTROL ACT, and the relevant part of that state law which pertains directly to this discussion is as follows:

S 460.00 Legislative findings.

The legislature finds and determines as follows:

Organized crime in New York state involves highly sophisticated, complex and widespread forms of criminal activity.

The diversified illegal conduct engaged in by organized crime, rooted in the illegal use of force, fraud, and corruption, constitutes a major drain upon the state's economy, costs citizens and businesses of the state billions of dollars each year, and threatens the peace, security and general welfare of the people of the state.

Organized crime continues to expand its corrosive influence in the state through illegal enterprises engaged in such criminal endeavors as the theft and fencing of property, the importation and distribution of narcotics and other dangerous drugs, arson for profit, hijacking, labor racketeering, loansharking, extortion and bribery, the illegal disposal of hazardous wastes, syndicated gambling, trafficking in stolen securities, insurance and investment frauds, and other forms of economic and social exploitation.

The money and power derived by organized crime through its illegal enterprises and endeavors is increasingly being used to infiltrate and corrupt businesses, unions and other legitimate enterprises and to corrupt our democratic processes.


end quotes

THE ILLEGAL USE OF FORCE ....

Like someone ******** on the hood of my truck sometime Friday night or Saturday morning ...

CORROSIVE INFLUENCE ...

CORRUPT OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES ...

INSURANCE AND INVESTMENT FRAUDS .....

FORTY-FOUR BILLION DOLLARS ...

GREEDY, WHITE-COLLAR PROFITEERS WILL NOT BE STOPPED ....

And there it is, really ....

It is that simple ....

I didn't get the message .....

I didn't realize how exactly true those words of Mario Cuomo were back in 1986 ....

So now, I just got another update on that message ....

Or at least that is how I perceive it to be ....

And so ...
Livyjr
With respect to New York State Attorney General Andy Cuomo, a few weeks back, a friend of mine who works in Albany, New York happened to be sitting in an Albany eatery at lunch time next to a red-haired individual who got to chatting with my friend over lunch ....

And during this time, this individual identified himself to my friend as an "environmental attorney" in the Attorney General shop of Andy Cuomo there in Albany ....

When this individual identified himself as an "environmental attorney" with the NYS Attorney General, my friend responded that this attorney must know me, then ...

And at that, it was reported to me that this individual ejaculated to the whole eatery: "THAT F****** GNAT!"

"THAT GUY IS AN INSECT WHO HAS BEEN BOTHERING US FOR YEARS WITH HIS LAWSUITS!"

And the reported conversation went downhill from there, as regards myself ....

With respect to those lawsuits, and by way of example of the "FRAUD GAME" as it is played up here in the CORRUPT EMPIRE, this following is from an affidavit filed in New York State Supreme Court on October 14, 1993 by another Assistant New York State Attorney General named KATHLEEN LISTON MORRISON, in response to one of the ANTI-CORRUPTION LAWSUITS that I filed against the State of New York in connection with this WHITE-COLLAR CRIME in this state:

"I have read the Verified Petition, the Department permit file, and the relevant statutes and regulations."

"The state respondents admit that the Department (NYSDEC) erred in issuing the permit when it had an incomplete application under Environmental Conservation Law ("ECL") Article 70, the Uniform Procedures Act, and the regulations promulgated thereunder in 6 NYCRR Part 621, the Solid Waste Management Act, ECL Article 27, and the regulations promulgated thereunder in 6 NYCRR Part 360, and failed to comply with the requirements of Article 8, the State Environmental Quality Act, and the regulations promulgated thereunder in 6 NYCRR Part 617."


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What she is saying there in plain words is what I had proved in that lawsuit: that as charged by myself, EVERY law, rule and regulation that should have been complied with in the issuance of this particular permit had instead not been followed, and yet, the permit, worth MILLIONS of dollars, had still been issued ....

Because of me, it was annulled ...

Because of me, those MILLIONS went back out the window ....

The people who had "PROCURED" that permit did not take well to that ....

I had taken their "INVESTMENT" away from them ....

AND I HAD DEMONSTRATED CONCLUSIVELY THAT THE STATE OF NEW YORK ITSELF WAS FACILITATING CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE IN NEW YORK STATE ...

Sooooo ......

For that, in the State of New York today, I am "outcast" ....

Without protection of law ...

For that, in the State of New York today, in the offices of its TOP LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, I am considered a "F***** GNAT, AN INSECT, A BUG!"

NOT A HUMAN BEING ....

Something less than ....

AN OBJECT!

A TARGET ....

Someone without the protection of law ....

So have it him, folks, no harm will come to you if you do ....

And so it comes ....

And what is the attitude of the "GOOD FOLKS" of New York State in my "community" regarding all of this?

"HEY, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT, YOU BROUGHT IT ON YOURSELF!"

And so I did ....

See the post above here ....

And so ...
rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 3 2008, 02:14 PM) *
Was that just a prank do you think, rla, because it was committed by a young person?

It must be considered, "Clinically, Legally and Socially" out of the Norm of an Integrated
Community. I lived in a Segregated Community. The Daddy of these children, one of whom
had recently become my wife was on his second crop and he was already an Old Man who
had ended up wih all his neighbors land during the Depression...In todays world it would be equivalent to a Sunni youth shi*** on the speaker's stand of a Shiite Mask.
Istoodforu
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 4 2008, 07:30 AM) *
With respect to New York State Attorney General Andy Cuomo, a few weeks back, a friend of mine who works in Albany, New York happened to be sitting in an Albany eatery at lunch time next to a red-haired individual who got to chatting with my friend over lunch ....

And during this time, this individual identified himself to my friend as an "environmental attorney" in the Attorney General shop of Andy Cuomo there in Albany ....

When this individual identified himself as an "environmental attorney" with the NYS Attorney General, my friend responded that this attorney must know me, then ...

And at that, it was reported to me that this individual ejaculated to the whole eatery: "THAT F****** GNAT!"

"THAT GUY IS AN INSECT WHO HAS BEEN BOTHERING US FOR YEARS WITH HIS LAWSUITS!"

And the reported conversation went downhill from there, as regards myself ....

With respect to those lawsuits, and by way of example of the "FRAUD GAME" as it is played up here in the CORRUPT EMPIRE, this following is from an affidavit filed in New York State Supreme Court on October 14, 1993 by another Assistant New York State Attorney General named KATHLEEN LISTON MORRISON, in response to one of the ANTI-CORRUPTION LAWSUITS that I filed against the State of New York in connection with this WHITE-COLLAR CRIME in this state:

"I have read the Verified Petition, the Department permit file, and the relevant statutes and regulations."

"The state respondents admit that the Department (NYSDEC) erred in issuing the permit when it had an incomplete application under Environmental Conservation Law ("ECL") Article 70, the Uniform Procedures Act, and the regulations promulgated thereunder in 6 NYCRR Part 621, the Solid Waste Management Act, ECL Article 27, and the regulations promulgated thereunder in 6 NYCRR Part 360, and failed to comply with the requirements of Article 8, the State Environmental Quality Act, and the regulations promulgated thereunder in 6 NYCRR Part 617."


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What she is saying there in plain words is what I had proved in that lawsuit: that as charged by myself, EVERY law, rule and regulation that should have been complied with in the issuance of this particular permit had instead not been followed, and yet, the permit, worth MILLIONS of dollars, had still been issued ....

Because of me, it was annulled ...

Because of me, those MILLIONS went back out the window ....

The people who had "PROCURED" that permit did not take well to that ....

I had taken their "INVESTMENT" away from them ....

AND I HAD DEMONSTRATED CONCLUSIVELY THAT THE STATE OF NEW YORK ITSELF WAS FACILITATING CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE IN NEW YORK STATE ...

Sooooo ......

For that, in the State of New York today, I am "outcast" ....

Without protection of law ...

For that, in the State of New York today, in the offices of its TOP LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, I am considered a "F***** GNAT, AN INSECT, A BUG!"

NOT A HUMAN BEING ....

Something less than ....

AN OBJECT!

A TARGET ....

Someone without the protection of law ....

So have it him, folks, no harm will come to you if you do ....

And so it comes ....

And what is the attitude of the "GOOD FOLKS" of New York State in my "community" regarding all of this?

"HEY, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT, YOU BROUGHT IT ON YOURSELF!"

And so I did ....

See the post above here ....

And so ...


I'm wondering if there is any ongoing investigation, litigation, or pending legislation relating to this corruption issue. If the motive for dumping on your truck was, indeed, political intimidation, then there would be some ongoing deliberation wherein they don't want your input.

Livyjr
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Aug 4 2008, 08:27 AM) *
I'm wondering if there is any ongoing investigation, litigation, or pending legislation relating to this corruption issue.

If the motive for dumping on your truck was, indeed, political intimidation, then there would be some ongoing deliberation wherein they don't want your input.

You are astute, Istoodforu ....

And you forget the stop sign in my driveway ....

STOP!

But what?

The stop sign wasn't thrown there ....

It was carefully placed there, like a cross placed by the KKK ....

That was as graphic or more than the pile of **** on my truck ....

Had it been the pile of **** alone, I might not have called the police ....

I did only after confronting the stop sign and its post further out in my driveway ....

So, yes ....

Something is happening ....

And I'm not supposed to be there ....

I'm supposed to stay home and stay silent, or else .....

What that is, I don't yet know ....

OR ....

Something has happened which pissed off someone, so I got some punishment ....

Either way, as of today, I am still disgusted and upset and sick about this ...

Especially when I look at the dent in my truck hood caused by someone standing on it to take a **** ....

When I see that, I am reminded ALL OVER AGAIN how it got there .....

And then, all over again, I am reminded of this long train of political **** that stretches back in time to 1986, and then comes forward again from there to here ....

THE FEAR ....

I don't like living in FEAR, Istoodforu ....

In what country do you have to live in FEAR because you have stood up for the law?

Which country is that?

And so ....
Livyjr
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Aug 3 2008, 11:28 AM) *
Please let us know if there are more developments.

Thankfully, even in a corrupt state like New York, not all citizens are corrupt ....

And more to the point, not all law enforcement officers are corrupt ...

I am advised that there are honest law enforcement officers keeping an eye on the development of this investigation ...

To make sure that it does not just get dropped ....

And it appears that there has been a possible break-through with respect to the identification of the PERP ...

Soooo ....

There is where it is right now ....

Nothing more is expected before mid-week ...

And so ...
amy
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 4 2008, 08:14 PM) *
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Aug 3 2008, 11:28 AM) *
Please let us know if there are more developments.

Thankfully, even in a corrupt state like New York, not all citizens are corrupt ....

And more to the point, not all law enforcement officers are corrupt ...

I am advised that there are honest law enforcement officers keeping an eye on the development of this investigation ...

To make sure that it does not just get dropped ....

And it appears that there has been a possible break-through with respect to the identification of the PERP ...

Soooo ....

There is where it is right now ....

Nothing more is expected before mid-week ...

And so ...


Good to hear this, Liv. smile.gif
Livyjr
QUOTE(rla @ Aug 4 2008, 08:06 AM) *
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 3 2008, 02:14 PM) *
Was that just a prank do you think, rla, because it was committed by a young person?

It must be considered, "Clinically, Legally and Socially" out of the Norm of an Integrated Community.

I lived in a Segregated Community.

In todays world it would be equivalent to a Sunni youth shi*** on the speaker's stand of a Shiite Mask.



I too live in a SEGREGATED COMMUNITY, rla ....

The only real difference is that it is not segregated according to skin color, it is segregated according to "association" ....

"POLITICAL ASSOCIATION" ....

Which is a part of the essence of the divisions between the Sunnis and Shiites in IRAQINAM ....

The Sunnis were favored because they were THE LEADER'S people ....

The Shiites were outcast .....

And so it is up here where I am ....

In the U.S. there are fifty states ....

New York is deemed one of the TOP TEN in terms of CORRUPTION ....

Mississippi is also supposed to be on that list, but since I don't live in Mississippi, I don't give much of a damn about what goes on down there, and I think that compared to New York, those corrupt people down there are probably just rank amateurs at it ....

So to all the people out there who don't live in CORRUPT, SEGREGATED states, this all sounds like a make-believe story, or OVER-DRAMATIZATION on my part ....

"OH, IT WAS NOTHING MORE THAN SOME KIDS JUST OUT HAVING SOME FUN!"

"HEY, LIGHTEN UP!"

You are an older person who has seen much, rla ....

You could talk about what it was like to live in a racially segregated state and YUPPIE people in upscale subdivisions up here would think that you were spinning yarns and making up fairy tales ....

"OH, IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN LIKE THAT ..."

"PERPLE AREN'T THAT WAY!"

"THEY WOULDN'T DO THINGS LIKE THAT!"

I used to hear that back in my face when I would talk about what we were doing in Viet Nam when I was there ...

"OH, YOU'RE MAKING THAT UP!"

"YOU JUST HATE AMERICA!"

"YOU'RE TRYING TO SCARE US!"

I was just recounting to Indianhead some of the long background in connection with this incident that occurred up here on my property this week-end ...

How in May of 1989, I was called into the soundproof Grand Jury room down in the County Courthouse, where I was told by an Asst. District Attorney to drop my investigations of corruption up here, and to have no more contact with the FBI, or I was going to get my @$$ hurt ....

When I didn't do as I was told, and instead persisted, on December 29 of 1989, I was run down in the road in front of my house by a POLITICAL GOON or ENFORCER ....

I was then arrested for assaulting the GOON's truck with my body and causing damage to it ....

The local judge refused to allow me to file charges of vehicular assault and leaving the scene of a vehicle-pedestrian accident against the GOON ...

I was then put through HELL for the next three years being prosecuted in court by the same Asst. DA who in May of 1989 had told me to cease and desist with my corruption investigations ...

It was his intent to put me in jail for that assault on myself by the GOON ...

Ultimately, I prevailed in court where I had defended myself, but there was a great personal cost to that "victory" ...

MEANWHILE, THE GOON WENT FREE ....

AND HE BRAGGED ABOUT IT, TO BOOT ...

Now, that Asst. DA is the County District Attorney up here ....

He just took office, and now this **** is starting up again ....

And the alleged or suspected PERP who did this is a younger relation to the GOON who ran me down back in 1989 ...

And the local judge is still the local judge ...

I could be an N-word in your segregated community back in Georgia subject to being lynched at any time as a JUVENILE PRANK, and I don't really know what would be different, to tell you the truth, other than my pale skin, as compared to a real N-word ...

And maybe this was simply an "initiation rite" ....

A "coming of age" thing ....

A "BLOODING" .....

Like the initiates who want to become members of the BLOODS gang up here who then go to CROSSGATES MALL up here and slash some hapless pilgrim who just happens to be convenient at the time ....

"HEY, C'MON, THEY'RE JUST KIDS OUT HAVING SOME FUN!"

"THEY DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING BY IT!"

No, of course, they didn't ...

Them old boys down in Texas who chain-dragged that N-word to death didn't mean anything by it either .....

They was just funnin' with the N-word ....

It was nothing more than a JUVENILE PRANK, after all ....

And it was only an N-word ....

Not one of us ...

So why get upset?

And so ...
Istoodforu
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 5 2008, 06:24 AM) *
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How in May of 1989, I was called into the soundproof Grand Jury room down in the County Courthouse, where I was told by an Asst. District Attorney to drop my investigations of corruption up here, and to have no more contact with the FBI, or I was going to get my @$$ hurt ....

When I didn't do as I was told, and instead persisted, on December 29 of 1989, I was run down in the road in front of my house by a POLITICAL GOON or ENFORCER ....

I was then arrested for assaulting the GOON's truck with my body and causing damage to it ....

The local judge refused to allow me to file charges of vehicular assault and leaving the scene of a vehicle-pedestrian accident against the GOON ...

I was then put through HELL for the next three years being prosecuted in court by the same Asst. DA who in May of 1989 had told me to cease and desist with my corruption investigations ...

It was his intent to put me in jail for that assault on myself by the GOON ...

Ultimately, I prevailed in court where I had defended myself, but there was a great personal cost to that "victory" ...

MEANWHILE, THE GOON WENT FREE ....

AND HE BRAGGED ABOUT IT, TO BOOT ...

Now, that Asst. DA is the County District Attorney up here ....

He just took office, and now this **** is starting up again ....

And the alleged or suspected PERP who did this is a younger relation to the GOON who ran me down back in 1989 ...

And the local judge is still the local judge ...

I could be an N-word in your segregated community back in Georgia subject to being lynched at any time as a JUVENILE PRANK, and I don't really know what would be different, to tell you the truth, other than my pale skin, as compared to a real N-word ...

And maybe this was simply an "initiation rite" ....

A "coming of age" thing ....

A "BLOODING" .....

Like the initiates who want to become members of the BLOODS gang up here who then go to CROSSGATES MALL up here and slash some hapless pilgrim who just happens to be convenient at the time ....

"HEY, C'MON, THEY'RE JUST KIDS OUT HAVING SOME FUN!"

"THEY DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING BY IT!"

No, of course, they didn't ...

Them old boys down in Texas who chain-dragged that N-word to death didn't mean anything by it either .....

They was just funnin' with the N-word ....

It was nothing more than a JUVENILE PRANK, after all ....

And it was only an N-word ....

Not one of us ...

So why get upset?

And so ...



The background that I highlighted gives your theory more plausibility. It indicates an event that may have served as a catalyst.

My theory w/r to "unmotivated antisocial behavior" was not at all intended to imply that this was an innocent "JUVENILE PRANK," "Unmotivated antisocial behavior" is a diagnostic indicator of the worst type of antisocial personality disorder. The perp could be capable of a lot worse.

Let us know what develops with the police investigation. Stay calm, but keep on standing your ground.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Istoodforu @ Aug 5 2008, 07:47 AM) *
The perp could be capable of a lot worse.

Let us know what develops with the police investigation.

Stay calm, but keep on standing your ground.

Let me say, Istoodforu, that I very much appreciate your step-wise or iterative "reasonableness" approach in here ...

You have certainly helped me to keep myself "grounded" in reality about the possibilities here, which is very important is stressful times such as this ....

Maintaining a logical thought process as opposed to giving way to the irrationality of fear ...

And the state trooper the other night shared your concern about the perp, as do others up here .....

Will there be a "next", and what will it be?

The worst thing in situations like this is being totally stripped of your sense of "being in control" ....

All of a sudden, someone has stepped violently into your life, and they have taken the control away from you ....

Talking about this in here for me has been very therapeutic in the sense of getting this "out of myself" ....

Getting necessary distance between it and me .....

Staying calm is the key, Istoodforu ...

Thanks for reinforcing that concept in here once again ....

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 3 2008, 06:41 AM) *
Maybe I should have titled this "WHEN IS A HATE CRIME NOT A HATE CRIME" ....

And that answer would be when it is political retaliation and intimidation .....

Since that is considered a part of "politics", or the "holding of political power", up here, those activities are exempt from the law by agreement of the two parties who do hold power and vie between themselves for exclusive control of it ....

And since the parties essentially "own" ALL of the government, including district attorneys and judges, they can enforce that "agreement" not to protect "dissidents" ...

From the bottom all the way up to the top ....

And so they do ....

And so they have ...

And I am sick of it ....

QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 2 2008, 04:02 PM) *
The source of this problem is political ...

It relates to a stance that I took against government corruption many years ago up here as a citizen and as an engineer ...

In the past, these people perpetrating these hate acts against me have been politically protected at a level higher than the police ....

UNTOUCHABLES ...

POLITICAL GOONS ...

ENFORCERS ...

And MALICIOUS PUNKS goaded on by them to do violence against me ...

"Boxes full of hardball politics - 8,562 pages of newly released records publicize private battle between Spitzer, Bruno"

By ROBERT GAVIN, Staff writer, Albany, New York Times Union

First published: Wednesday, August 6, 2008

ALBANY -- More than a year after the initial firestorm over the travel records scandal, Albany County District Attorney David Soares has released four boxes of documents -- totaling 8,562 pages of records -- that give a rare and not always pleasant look inside the administration of former Gov. Eliot Spitzer.

The collection of documents and e-mails -- which could take even the most ardent government insider days to sift through -- give a detailed look at Spitzer's administration in the months before a prostitution scandal wrecked his political career.

They also underscore once again the perils of placing raw political strategizing in writing.


In one e-mail exchange, the governor agreed that former Senate Majority Leader Joseph L. Bruno could be made to look "crazy."

Elsewhere, Spitzer vehemently denies to Soares' investigators that he ordered surveillance on Bruno.

The records tell the tale of two investigations by Soares into allegations that Spitzer's administration wrongly used State Police to collect damaging information on Bruno.

The controversy arose after a July 1, 2007, Times Union story on Bruno and other state officials' taxpayer-funded travel.

Later that month, state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo found Spitzer aides misused State Police to re-create, from memory, documents detailing Bruno's use of state aircraft and police to travel to New York City on days when political fundraisers were held.

Transcripts record Spitzer being interviewed by Soares' investigators, in which the governor adamantly denied ordering a smear campaign against Bruno.

"Did you ever direct any type of surveillance by anyone on Senator Bruno?" quizzed Assistant District Attorney Brett Knowles.

"Absolutely not," Spitzer replied.

Still, the well-established bitterness between Spitzer and Bruno -- and its possible link to media coverage -- is highly evident in the pages.

In one exchange from July 5, 2007, Spitzer Secretary Richard Baum sent the governor the following e-mail:

"Would it make sense to let reporters know that you followed up on Bruno's request to meet and he refused?"

"Makes him seem more crazy."


"I had the same thought," replied Spitzer, using the e-mail tag "Laurence," his middle name.

In another e-mail from May 16, 2007, an irked Spitzer left little to the imagination in an apparent reference to Bruno:

"I want to punch back at him," Spitzer says in the e-mail.

"He is making personal attacks and I am really going after him at some point."

On July 2, one day after the Times Union story was published, Baum advised Spitzer to "stay publicly away from the helicopter issue."

"I'd try hard to get away with 'we're examining the issue and don't have anything further right now.' "

Baum concluded the e-mail, stating, "This whole topic should be beneath you."

Spitzer spokeswoman Brandy Bergman declined to comment on any specific e-mails.

She said the former governor has "always been a proponent of transparency in government."

In questioning by Soares' office, Spitzer acknowledged a prior conversation with Bruno in which he told the senator that state aircraft was "simply not a toy which I would take away or return."

Late last month, the state Commission on Public Integrity charged four members of the Spitzer administration -- Baum, spokesman Darren Dopp, former acting State Police Superintendent Preston Felton and Spitzer aide William Howard -- with taking part in the alleged political vendetta.

Dopp and Felton are accused of violating the public officers law and have said they will fight the charges; Baum and Howard reached settlements.

Cuomo's July 2007 report found nothing illegal but stated the police were wrongly drawn into a political dispute.

Soares' first report on the issue found no wrongdoing by Spitzer; a second report found Spitzer was, in fact, involved despite his statements that he did not know what his aides were doing.

Soares, who has been harshly criticized for his handling of the issue, released the documents following requests from newspapers around the state.

He released a statement Tuesday expressing the hope that the document release would bring an end to the episode.


"Over the past 13 months, New York State has been inundated by media reports about the former governor, the former majority leader, spying, political plotting, criminal conduct, and then the eventual 'cover-up' of these allegations," Soares said.

"Today, the two people who began this controversy are no longer a part of our government, but the spotlight on the political theater created is still just as bright as the investigations are wrapping up, and as the investigation of the investigations continues."

"Thousands of hours have been expended over the past year to uncover that no laws were broken and that politicians will always attempt to undermine their political enemies."

Robert Gavin can be reached at 434-2403 or by e-mail at rgavin@ timesunion.com. Staff writers Irene Jay Liu, Chris Churchill and Carol DeMare contributed to this report.
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 6 2008, 02:22 PM) *
"I want to punch back at him," Spitzer says in the e-mail.

QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 4 2008, 06:30 AM) *
With respect to New York State Attorney General Andy Cuomo, a few weeks back, a friend of mine who works in Albany, New York happened to be sitting in an Albany eatery at lunch time next to a red-haired individual who got to chatting with my friend over lunch ....

And during this time, this individual identified himself to my friend as an "environmental attorney" in the Attorney General shop of Andy Cuomo there in Albany ....

When this individual identified himself as an "environmental attorney" with the NYS Attorney General, my friend responded that this attorney must know me, then ...

And at that, it was reported to me that this individual ejaculated to the whole eatery: "THAT F****** GNAT!"

"THAT GUY IS AN INSECT WHO HAS BEEN BOTHERING US FOR YEARS WITH HIS LAWSUITS!"

And the reported conversation went downhill from there, as regards myself ....

QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 6 2008, 02:22 PM) *
"Thousands of hours have been expended over the past year to uncover that no laws were broken and that politicians will always attempt to undermine their political enemies."

POLITICIANS WILL ALWAYS ATTEMPT TO UNDERMINE THEIR POLITICAL ENEMIES ....

OR PUNCH THE **** OUT OF THEM ...

Through GOONS, of course ...

PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY ....

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Aug 4 2008, 06:30 AM) *
"THAT GUY IS AN INSECT WHO HAS BEEN BOTHERING US FOR YEARS WITH HIS LAWSUITS!"

And the reported conversation went downhill from there, as regards myself ....

"It's a wonder no one has killed that SON OF A ***** yet!"

And so ...
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