Well nodding off during a speech is better than taking sleeping pills, don't you think?

You just need a long attention span when listening to Biden...I do usually like what he has to say though......

I like her a lot too.

The question is do you think that the Hillary Clinton supporters would feel a little bitter about the fact that a woman was chosen and it wasn't their candidate?

Talk about rubbing salt in their wounds.

Obama picks a man and HRC is still the numero uno Dem woman in politics -- he picks Sibelius and things change for HRC... and her supporters might not like it.

Yes, Biden could be sent with MCain on those international trips....

Just like I loved what Kerry had to say -- but how many Americans have our attention spans?

I am speaking in terms of his loyalty to Obama...should he be chosen.

Bayh is qualifed to be president. So was KBJ.

Bayh was loyal to JFK -- I believe Bayh would be loyal to OBama etc. etc.

who gives a crap about the couple of ones left who aren't backing Obama
they are not important
They either are in states Obama already won (NY Calif), or in places like West Virginia that nobody expects Obama to win
sore losers are always around

So LBJ ran against JFK and likely said some pretty crummy things about him in the campaign...and that's in public...

But you probably forgot that...

Graham, we really do need people you don't like (and you seem to not like a lot of people) on board with Obama for him to win. Not all of them, but a lot of them.

So I give a crap, because I want Obama to win, even if it means he deals with people that cause you a lot of heartburn. You'll just have to take Zantac or Tums or something.

You have to be one of the most naive men alive ---

Its a lot more than a couple, friend. And if he picked Sibelius I bet he could kiss PA good bye...

Kennedy had to use every bit of charm he had available to placate the liberal faction of the democratic party over LBJ.

According to a biography I read about Jack Kennedy he never intended to have LBJ as his VP. LBJ had circulated the word he'd not at all be interested in the job if it was offered to him. Joe Kennedy thought it would be a good idea to get the Texas vote to make a big deal of offering LBJ the spot to get the Texas vote believing LBJ would turn it down. LBJ double crossed them when he was publicly offered the slot by accepting, JFK almost freaked out and Bobby spent three days trying to talk LBJ out of it. The rest is history.

I guess the moral of the story is don't trust what an old Texas politician tells you cause if you do you may screw yourself.

August 19, 2008, 7:32 pm
Biden Busts His Own Buzz
By Kate Phillips

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08...s-his-own-buzz/

Take this for what it’s worth, and have a laugh alongside it.

For much of the past two days or so, ever since Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, traveled to the conflict-ridden “tiny democracy” of Georgia, his name has somehow risen above the top-tier possible choices as one of the most likely picks as the running mate for Senator Barack Obama. Not that he hadn’t been there before. But in the last 24 hours, the possibility had become more palpable in the rumor department. He does offer up his foreign policy credentials and is a Catholic whose heartfelt personal story we all came to know on the campaign trail of the primary season. He’s also known for his candid — and quite unpredictable — assessments along the trail.

Speculation — granted, among journalists more than the voting public, at this point — is rampant about the most likely suspect for the No. 2 slot on the Democratic ticket. The timing is all atwitter, with Mr. Obama now scheduling a big Saturday event at the very same place in Springfield, Ill., reminiscent of Abe Lincoln, where the Illinois senator began his march toward the Democratic nomination.

But today, ABC News, was among those on a stakeout at Mr. Biden’s home in Wilmington, Del., and as he climbed into the driver’s seat of a white, very serious pickup truck, the casually dressed senator seemed to peek out the driver’s side window to give a little statement to the cameras gathered: “Hey guys, I’m not the guy. See ya.” The video, showing Mr. Biden in a ball cap and talking from the cab of the truck is here, and is just amusing in its own sphere.


Howard Fineman of Newsweek magazine today talked up “the guy.” Our own John Broder profiled the prospects of Mr. Biden earlier this week, scoping out the pros and cons.

Senator Biden may not be “the guy.” But then, who is? Senator Obama travels tomorrow to Virginia, one of those states he’d love to take in the general election to garner a kind of firewall against some middle-country ones like, maybe Ohio or Pennsylvania, where he could lose. Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine’s name is still out there as a possible mate. But who knows now?

It’s still a big guessing game. And that type of suspense is what the Obama campaign wants to keep building before the big announcement. It’s soon, we’re told.

An earlier version of this post misstated Mr. Fineman’s affiliation. He’s with Newsweek, not Time, magazine.

After thinking long and hard, I decided I prefered that Biden be put in the VP spot, where, he
can easilly be kept at pasture if he fuc** up too bad than to have him at Secretary of State, where
the Nation has been most mis-managed since WWII...

THE STORY OF BIDEN was a joke

Biden said he doesn't know one way or another and was just fooling around

(as the smile on his face had indicated).

However, ALL pundits are sying Bayh has been eliminated and has already been told it ain't him

Graham -- if you tried to sound the slightest but credible you might actually convince some folks -- but with you its always ALL the pundits...and ALL the people -- and ALL the Clinton supporters or just a COUPLE don't support Obama...

Obama Uses "He" Pronoun When Discussing His VP
August 19, 2008 8:18 PM


RALEIGH, NC -- Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, is almost always diligent about saying "he or she" when discussing his potential running mate.

But at a lively town hall meeting in the Tarheel State Tuesday evening, the senator -- who is expected to announce his vice presidential pick at the end of this week -- used a decidedly male pronoun.

Asked what his plan is to utilize his vice president as President Bush utilized his, Obama said, "Let me tell you first what I won’t do. I won’t hand over my energy policy to my vice president, without knowing necessarily what he’s doing."

What HE'S doing. Could be a reference to Vice President Dick Cheney -- to whom Obama is clearly alluding.

But, as I said, Obama is usually pretty careful about saying "he or she." And surely it hasn't escaped anyone's noticed that despite references to dark horse candidates such as Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, or Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, all three finalists -- Sens. Evan Bayh of Indiana and Joe Biden of Delaware, Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine -- are male.

"My vice president also will be a member of the executive branch," Obama continued, "he won't be one of these fourth branches of government where he thinks he’s above the law."

He gave other criteria which were gender-neutral.

But for those political junkies out there looking for clues -- it's quite possible Obama just dropped one.

-- Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller


August 19, 2008

99.9%???

I don't know why you don't see that there is a reason Bayh is the #1 worst choice this year, even worse than Hillary.
I can't believe you don't see that losing the core left far outnumbers anything Bayh or anyone else can bring in.
Hillary might be the exception, though her negatives outway her positives

Along with being long-winded Biden and mis-speaking - Biden is known for his tough mad as hell talk. Someone like Biden is what Obama needs to get in the mud with the R's.
He can take the heat off Obama - and it won't phase him one bit.

All signs point to Bayh -- Biden or Kaine...

For Most, Obama's VP Likely a Blank Slate
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-th...e_probably.html

Barack Obama's apparent short-list for the No. 2 slot contains names familiar to constituents and politicos, but little known nationwide. So the first challenge for his pick will be to cement a positive image with American public. Sparring with the GOP will follow.

The last time several of the top contenders were listed on the same poll was in December 2006, when the Los Angeles Times and Bloomberg asked Democratic voters their impressions of Evan Bayh, Joe Biden and Christopher Dodd, among others. In that poll, nearly eight in 10 of these DEMOCRATIC voters said they hadn't heard enough about Bayh to have an impression of him one way or the other, three-quarters said so of Dodd and about six in 10 of Biden.

The last time Gallup asked a national sample about Biden, a majority said they either hadn't heard of him (38 percent) or were unsure (17 percent). That was in April 2007. Among those who did express an opinion at that time, 20 percent viewed him favorably and about as many, 25 percent, had an unfavorable impression. A September poll from CBS had different question wording but a similarly large percentage saying they hadn't heard enough about him.

A search of national polls yielded no surveys about Tim Kaine or Kathleen Sebelius.

Being relatively unknown is not necessarily a detriment, only an obstacle. And Obama has better-known options, including his main rival for the nomination, Hillary Clinton. A new New York Times-CBS News poll of Democratic delegates has Clinton the top choice of conventiongoers: 28 percent said Obama should pick her, with Biden next in line at 6 percent. Of course, Clinton won about half of all the delegates through the primaries, spurring relatively high support for the second spot.

I agree -- on the talk shows or the stump -- he has the more fiery personality -- but will the people in CO, OH, NV, IN trust him?

I do not think they will -- and that is what we need.

Its a lot harder for McCain or the GOP to demonize the ticket in the MIdwest as out of touch if it includes two Midwesterners...

Particularly if McCain picks Romney which would give the GOP a non-heartland coastal ticket --- and the Dems a heartland ticket...

Biden would just need to avoid talking about 7-Elevens, or make other dubious-sounding observations about groups of people!

But I think you are right, he is great in making zinging soundbites. His comment about Rudy Giuliani and 911 was just perfect!

Taz - I don't even know if NV will go for Obama, his VP pick wouldn't make much of a difference.

Well, a guy can hope -- right?



I think with the large Hispanic population he might do well and with Bayh -- who is known for pushing job creation I think that might sell well out there.

BUt I know McCain is a neighbor....

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Will It Be Bayh?

Why choosing the Indiana senator as a running mate could help Obama with religious conservatives.

Russ Pulliam | posted 8/20/2008 09:57AM

If Barack Obama announces Evan Bayh as his running mate this week, it may be because the two are opposites in several respects.

Obama is short on experience in the U.S. Senate and in politics in general.

Bayh is long on political experience, having been in the Senate since 1999. He was a two-term governor of Indiana before that, and was elected secretary of state of Indiana at the age of 30.

Obama delivers speeches with soaring oratory and thrills his listeners, even some of those who disagree with him when they read the speeches later. As a public speaker, Bayh is pretty boring in comparison.

As part of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party, with its tendency to see the evil in America instead of in her enemies, Obama is perceived as soft on national defense. Bayh is part of the moderate wing of the party, which desires to restore its strong national defense consensus that dominated the party from World War II until the Vietnam War.

Bayh could also be selected for how he conducts himself publicly, with no scandals attached to his 22 years in public life. He is polite and well-mannered. By church affiliation he is Episcopalian. At another time in history he would have been called a gentleman.

Of the leading contenders for the vice presidency, Bayh might give the Democrats credibility with some evangelical voters.

For a Democrat, he has made some unusual gestures in the direction of being a cultural conservative. He's been an articulate spokesman for fatherhood, even writing a book on the subject. As Indiana's governor from 1989 to 1997, he promoted the fatherhood movement and organized a major conference on the issue at a time when it was gaining steam around the country.

He also didn't serve liquor at the governor's mansion, explaining in an interview that his mother's father suffered financial reverses in farming and wound up drinking too much.

"I've never tried to preach to people or take a holier-than-thou attitude," he said. "I have a beer from time to time. But I've seen from my family what can happen, and it's made me more cautious."

In another move that gained him approval from conservative evangelicals, Bayh reinstated Gideon Bibles in state park inns after an overzealous state official thought the Bible was violated of the First Amendment's Establishment Clause.

He also patronized conservative Christian political groups as governor, writing to one organization, then called Citizens Concerned for the Constitution, about its work in encouraging Christians to engage in politics: "I share with you a belief in the Almighty. Ultimately it is a service to Him through helping our fellow citizens that motivates many of us to engage in the public activities on which this conference is focused. That is a very appropriate way to view public service because all nations and states are ultimately governed by Him."

On the subject of abortion Bayh has not taken a pro-life position. He has voted in favor of legislation for parental notification for minors who seek an abortion. He also voted in favor of the ban on partial-birth abortions, in contrast to Obama's vote against it. He gets a 50 percent favorable score from the pro-choice organization NARAL, in contrast to his 25 percent favorable rating from the National Right to Life Committee.

Bayh grew up in politics. His father, Birch, was Indiana's speaker of the house, which Evan would visit as a preschooler. His father served three terms in the U.S. Senate, running for the presidency in 1976. Evan's mother, Marvella, died of cancer after writing a testimonial book that spoke of her faith in Christ. Evan ran his father's 1980 Senate campaign, only to see him lose to conservative Republican Dan Quayle. He learned his lessons and realized that his father's big government liberalism was out of date and out of favor with voters.

Politically, he rebuilt his party from near death in Indiana, first winning a race for secretary of state in 1986, then helping the party win four consecutive races for governor. He won two of them, then his hand-picked lieutenant governor, Frank O'Bannon, won two more. He captured his own senate seat after the two terms as governor.

Other Democrats who served under him went on to win their own races, including Gov. O'Bannon and Indianapolis Mayor Bart Peterson, who won two terms after 32 years of Republican mayors. Bayh did all of that in a state that has not gone for a Democratic presidential nominee since the Lyndon Johnson landslide of 1964.

As governor, Bayh was the opposite of the current Gov. Mitch Daniels, a Republican who never seems to shy away from controversial issues. Bayh took a stab at education reform but never put a definitive stamp on a particular policy or issue. He avoided tax increases, a winning position in a conservative state. If he was zealous about anything, he was zealous about finding the common ground between liberal and conservative ideological perspectives. He also won elections and returned Indiana to a competitive two-party state.

Former Indiana House Speaker John Gregg of Vincennes thinks a Bayh vice presidential nomination would help Obama in Indiana. "He'd be the ideal candidate," said Gregg, who likes to call himself a "Bible-quoting, gun-toting Democrat."

"Historically, Bayh is from southern Indiana," Gregg said. "He'll play well in the Midwest and the near South—Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia. He is the modern-day Moses for the Indiana Democratic Party."

Notre Dame professor Robert Schmuhl thinks Bayh has the right temperament for the vice presidential assignment.

"He would be a figure who understands how the vice president should campaign and serve," Schmul said. "I don't think he is the kind of person who would try to upstage the presidential candidate."

Russ Pulliam is a columnist for The Indianapolis Star and former editorial page editor for The Indianapolis News. He is also director of the Pulliam Fellowship.

Bayh For VP?
Evan BayhIndiana Senator Evan Bayh remains on the short list of possible vice presidential candidates for Barack Obama. Obama says he's made his decision and is expected to announce it within a few days.

Ball State political science professor Joseph Losco says Bayh is an attractive pick.

"Bayh brings Obama executive experience, which Obama doesn't have on his own, as a successful two-term governor of Indiana. He's managed budgets and taken care of executive agencies," Losco said.

Bayh's position on the Senate Intelligence Committee and ability to pull in independents and maybe even a few Republican votes also help make him a good choice for the number two slot on the presidential ticket.

"There are eleven electoral votes up for grabs here in Indiana. Those eleven can be the difference between winning or losing the White House," Losco said.

But a Bayh pick wouldn't come without pitfalls too. Losco says Bayh may be too moderate for the party's liberal base and his vote in support of the Iraq War and support of Hilliary Clinton could work against him.

Should Bayh get the nod it could put a little more spotlight on the Indiana governor's race. Should Obama win the White House it would be up to Indiana's governor to select Bayh's replacement in the Senate.

If Indiana goes to the Democrats in the presidential race it's not a guarantee that Hoosier voters wouldn't still select Republican Mitch Daniels for another term as governor. In 1992, Republican President George H. W. Bush and Indiana-native Dan Quayle won Indiana while the Democrat Bayh won the governor's race.

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ain't nobody knows Bayh in Nevada or anywhere outside of Indiana

how much is Bayh paying you? Not enough because you are doing a real stinky job of persuading anyone. Noone .

So Bayh is paying you? Because I think you are doing a great job in generating a backlash in his favor!

As part of the Hispanic population... the group is split. They don't care for either presidental candidate over the other really - and would prefer Richardson as Veep to Obama

Maybe because you have done a poor job of articulating it...

I have told you repeatedly I am willing to be convinced. BUt to be convinced I need something more than your conjecture and unsupported accusations.

Perhaps if you had not made so many outrageous statements about HRC and WJC and others in the past you might be more credible.

You have suggested that Bayh has been the subject of multiple scandals, but you have been unable to provide evidence of anything.

His biggest sins so far that you have provided are:

1. He is a member of the DLC. So. Gore was a member of the DLC and so was Kerry so what does that prove?

2. He is a Bilderberger --- well so is Dodd, Sebelius, Daschle and a number of others prominent in the Democratic party. And Gore spoke there so they can't be as bad as you suggest.

3. His wife's lobbying connections --- and being on the payroll of corporations -- well look at Bill Clinton -- look at all the Boards that Theresa Heinz Kerry was on -- etc.

So really Graham -- despite your protestations, you have presented nothing credible to demonstrate Bayh would not be a good choice.

You ignore the fact that he has been elected 5 times in a red state. That he rebuilt the Democratic party there which is why Obama even has a chance to win there. That he managed a state government creating 350,000 jobs, lowered taxes and left the state with the largest surplis in state history.

This election is about the economy and economy wise he is the best choice.

So, excuse me if I have not surrendered on Evan Bayh to your blind accusations.

BUt show me a scandal where he bilked Indianans out of thousands of dollars or where he engaged in criminal or unethical behavior (and the lobbying wife things does not cut it) and I'll jump off the band wagon.

But you have nothing. Nothing on him at all. Just your dislike for him because he happens to be friends with the Clintons...

Losing the core left?

What are they going to do -- stay home?

Come on...they will vote for Obama...

The problem with the core left is they adopt a candidate before they even know what he stands for --- and they keep projecting their positions on him even though he clearly speaks to different postions...

The left has been deaf to Barack Obama.

He has been consistent all along.

He has talked about uniting the country.

He is not a left winger.

And yet when he attempts to lead from the middle they have a coronary as if he could lead from anywhere else and unite the country...

I would like Richardson myself. I wanted to vote for him in the primary but he dropped out...

And you mean over Biden they want Richardson -- right?

No Graham...

If you say so.

I have repeatedly asked you to show me one of the many scandals you accuse Bayh of...and you have been silent.

So, you are doing far worse at persuading than I am...

At least I provide a coherent argument....

Oh yeah, Graham....and why don't you point out that backlash for me...

Show me an example...

No example?

Just like you couldn't show a scandal either that you accused Bayh of being a part of...

No stuff -- just fluff...

Taz, I am the one who said that Graham was likely generating a backlash for Bayh. You don't think that he generates sympathy for Bayh with his over the top, poorly supported case for Bayh?

Well.. yes, over Biden. Perhaps even over Obama.. but shhhh.

My wife is intrigued with Richardson, even though she once mocked his Hispanic credentials. Perro su mama es Latina!

I know there are some people concerned about Bayh on this site.

I think there are three people with Bayh on this site -- those who do not think highly of him lihe Graham -- those who do not care -- and those like me who think Bayh would be an OK choice...

Graham has a way of turning anyone in support of the opposite point of view...

BUt then I may help push them the other way because I can be pretty strong too...

But I do try and provide support and arguments for why I support a particularl postion.

From your lips...

MIne as well.

I like Bill.

Always have.

I thought his one comment on gays during the campaign was pretty bizarre, but other than that he has been pretty rational. And his resume is incredible.

He has excelled in every position he has held. Talk about Biden having heavy credentials. Richardson is a mega-heavyweight...

BUt he is a doer not a talker...

Doesn't it make you wonder what was wrong with him during the debates? He's talked extensively since then and has been superb - but man, he was pitiful in the debates.