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tazvil04
QUOTE(rla @ Aug 8 2008, 11:19 AM) *
The Thread is about Obama and Bayh campaining together and the implications for Obama picking
Bayh VP and the larger implications for what Mission Barack Obama is setting for the Democratic
Party to lead a Major Reform in Government? Individual players necessarilly represent big chunks
of over-generalizations. Southern politicians who previously played what could called a Brokerage
Role in delivering large blocks of Black Voters and of White Voters and of Hispanic Voters and
taking care of bidness are going to have to re-tool.


True enough.
graham4anything
EVAN BAYH (aka BIRCH EVANS BAYH III) (http://bayh.senate.gov)

Member: Bilderberg Group - Attended 1999 meeting in Portugal with Bill Clinton
(source: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1315.cfm)

Father was a Freemason
(source: http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/bay-bazzle.html#R9M0IOYSM)

Top contributors (1997-2002)
1 Conseco Inc $63,250
2 Morgan Stanley $40,200
3 Goldman Sachs $37,000
4 Eli Lilly & Co $36,450
5 Carlyle Group $26,058
6 CIBC Wood Gundy Holdings $24,750
7 SBC Communications $24,555
8 Bank One Corp $23,544
9 Cinergy Corp $22,500
10 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $20,000
11 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $19,739
12 Bank of America $19,249
13 State of Indiana $18,148
14 Baker & Daniels $17,650
15 Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $17,500
16 Bear Stearns $17,250
17 Andersen $15,750
17 Citigroup Inc $15,750
17 Swidler, Berlin et al $15,750
20 Independent Insurance Agents of America $15,664
(source: http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/con...amp;cycle=2002)

"In the presidential election of 2000 Bayh was on the list of possible running mate for Al Gore, and he is often listed among the likely presidential candidates in 2004"
(source: http://www.indystar.com/library/factfiles/...evan/bayh.html)

On bringing back national service: http://bayh.senate.gov/serviceoped.htm

---

tazvil04
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 8 2008, 11:31 AM) *
EVAN BAYH (aka BIRCH EVANS BAYH III) (http://bayh.senate.gov)

Member: Bilderberg Group - Attended 1999 meeting in Portugal with Bill Clinton
(source: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1315.cfm)

Father was a Freemason
(source: http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/bay-bazzle.html#R9M0IOYSM)

Top contributors (1997-2002)
1 Conseco Inc $63,250
2 Morgan Stanley $40,200
3 Goldman Sachs $37,000
4 Eli Lilly & Co $36,450
5 Carlyle Group $26,058
6 CIBC Wood Gundy Holdings $24,750
7 SBC Communications $24,555
8 Bank One Corp $23,544
9 Cinergy Corp $22,500
10 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $20,000
11 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $19,739
12 Bank of America $19,249
13 State of Indiana $18,148
14 Baker & Daniels $17,650
15 Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $17,500
16 Bear Stearns $17,250
17 Andersen $15,750
17 Citigroup Inc $15,750
17 Swidler, Berlin et al $15,750
20 Independent Insurance Agents of America $15,664
(source: http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/con...amp;cycle=2002)

"In the presidential election of 2000 Bayh was on the list of possible running mate for Al Gore, and he is often listed among the likely presidential candidates in 2004"
(source: http://www.indystar.com/library/factfiles/...evan/bayh.html)

On bringing back national service: http://bayh.senate.gov/serviceoped.htm

---


Yeah, so.

Senator Russ Feingold 2001 - 2006

Campaign Finance Cycle: 200820062004200220001998Career

Industry Total
Retired $902,194
Lawyers/Law Firms $769,548
Education $325,449
Health Professionals $310,240
Pro-Israel $199,867
Real Estate $167,243
Securities & Investment $143,400
Business Services $97,422
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $82,243
TV/Movies/Music $81,152
Building Trade Unions $80,900
Misc Finance $79,200
Civil Servants/Public Officials $75,649
Public Sector Unions $72,700
Democratic/Liberal $71,883
Transportation Unions $64,950
Industrial Unions $62,200
Automotive $60,903
Leadership PACs $59,500
Printing & Publishing $56,959

And here's Joe Biden...

Industry Total
Lawyers/Law Firms $4,923,362
Real Estate $932,384
Retired $831,971
Securities & Investment $637,725
Misc Finance $401,320
Business Services $356,784
Health Professionals $305,500
Education $222,725
Commercial Banks $206,350
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $197,639
Misc Business $194,226
Lobbyists $186,760
TV/Movies/Music $182,954
Insurance $153,075
Pro-Israel $148,700
Democratic/Liberal $142,980
General Contractors $123,900
Civil Servants/Public Officials $117,775
Finance/Credit Companies $103,350
Printing & Publishing $99,576

Barack Obama....

Lawyers/Law Firms $2,460,610
Securities & Investment $1,152,332
Retired $850,701
Real Estate $620,260
Education $540,316
Business Services $506,366
Misc Finance $394,448
Health Professionals $361,713
TV/Movies/Music $301,233
Commercial Banks $282,053
Printing & Publishing $185,543
Insurance $184,132
Non-Profit Institutions $169,670
Misc Business $147,741
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $145,675
Civil Servants/Public Officials $144,069
Democratic/Liberal $143,143
Lobbyists $128,050
Computers/Internet $125,333
Construction Services $118,560


Guess what Graham, politcians solicit contributions...that does not mean thye have done anything wrong...

Arneoker
Mentioning that he is a freemason? That seems pretty pathetic.

Maybe he is a Lion too. Should I then fear that he might eat me? (After all, why do they call themselves Lions?)
graham4anything
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 8 2008, 01:31 PM) *
EVAN BAYH (aka BIRCH EVANS BAYH III) (http://bayh.senate.gov)

Member: Bilderberg Group - Attended 1999 meeting in Portugal with Bill Clinton
(source: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1315.cfm)

Father was a Freemason
(source: http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/bay-bazzle.html#R9M0IOYSM)

Top contributors (1997-2002)
1 Conseco Inc $63,250
2 Morgan Stanley $40,200
3 Goldman Sachs $37,000
4 Eli Lilly & Co $36,450
5 Carlyle Group $26,058
6 CIBC Wood Gundy Holdings $24,750
7 SBC Communications $24,555
8 Bank One Corp $23,544
9 Cinergy Corp $22,500
10 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $20,000
11 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $19,739
12 Bank of America $19,249
13 State of Indiana $18,148
14 Baker & Daniels $17,650
15 Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $17,500
16 Bear Stearns $17,250
17 Andersen $15,750
17 Citigroup Inc $15,750
17 Swidler, Berlin et al $15,750
20 Independent Insurance Agents of America $15,664
(source: http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/con...amp;cycle=2002)

"In the presidential election of 2000 Bayh was on the list of possible running mate for Al Gore, and he is often listed among the likely presidential candidates in 2004"
(source: http://www.indystar.com/library/factfiles/...evan/bayh.html)

On bringing back national service: http://bayh.senate.gov/serviceoped.htm

---



these are specific firms taz
your list is by occupations

are you on the payroll of Bayh? Have a connection with him, the way you are plugging for him?
Seems to go beyond idol worshipping

What part of he has NOTHING of the 5 traits obama said last week, not one of them, don't you get???
Arneoker
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 8 2008, 02:05 PM) *
these are specific firms taz
your list is by occupations

are you on the payroll of Bayh? Have a connection with him, the way you are plugging for him?
Seems to go beyond idol worshipping

What part of he has NOTHING of the 5 traits obama said last week, not one of them, don't you get???

You must really think Taz is flooring you when you have to resort to impugning hims motives! And even if he is connected to Bayh, what does it matter if he still has the better argument?

So Taz' list is by occupations. You don't think companies are behind those occupations?
graham4anything
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Aug 8 2008, 02:09 PM) *
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 8 2008, 02:05 PM) *
these are specific firms taz
your list is by occupations

are you on the payroll of Bayh? Have a connection with him, the way you are plugging for him?
Seems to go beyond idol worshipping

What part of he has NOTHING of the 5 traits obama said last week, not one of them, don't you get???

You must really think Taz is flooring you when you have to resort to impugning hims motives! And even if he is connected to Bayh, what does it matter if he still has the better argument?

So Taz' list is by occupations. You don't think companies are behind those occupations?


one doesn't know if those are good or bad

apples and oranges.

I win.
Arneoker
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 8 2008, 04:06 PM) *
one doesn't know if those are good or bad

apples and oranges.

I win.

So because you listed the names of firms we know they are bad? How do we know they are bad? Or is every firm in America bad? But then if there are say insurance firms behind "insurance", wouldn't "insurance" be bad?

Graham, you are simply reaching in trying to make Bayh out as some three-headed monster. (As Taz says, all of these candidates get lots of money from rich individuals and those connected to all kinds of industries.) I am not really wild about him myself, but I think that you are going way over the top with him.
graham4anything
it's what I am not saying that is the reason I would never want him as vp or president.
Arneoker
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 8 2008, 04:42 PM) *
it's what I am not saying that is the reason I would never want him as vp or president.

And people are supposed to take your opposition to him seriously when you won't even tell the real reason for it? If I did not want to tell people the real reason for an opinion of mine, I would probably not tell them that opinion.
tazvil04
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 8 2008, 12:05 PM) *
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 8 2008, 01:31 PM) *
EVAN BAYH (aka BIRCH EVANS BAYH III) (http://bayh.senate.gov)

Member: Bilderberg Group - Attended 1999 meeting in Portugal with Bill Clinton
(source: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1315.cfm)

Father was a Freemason
(source: http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/bay-bazzle.html#R9M0IOYSM)

Top contributors (1997-2002)
1 Conseco Inc $63,250
2 Morgan Stanley $40,200
3 Goldman Sachs $37,000
4 Eli Lilly & Co $36,450
5 Carlyle Group $26,058
6 CIBC Wood Gundy Holdings $24,750
7 SBC Communications $24,555
8 Bank One Corp $23,544
9 Cinergy Corp $22,500
10 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $20,000
11 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $19,739
12 Bank of America $19,249
13 State of Indiana $18,148
14 Baker & Daniels $17,650
15 Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $17,500
16 Bear Stearns $17,250
17 Andersen $15,750
17 Citigroup Inc $15,750
17 Swidler, Berlin et al $15,750
20 Independent Insurance Agents of America $15,664
(source: http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/con...amp;cycle=2002)

"In the presidential election of 2000 Bayh was on the list of possible running mate for Al Gore, and he is often listed among the likely presidential candidates in 2004"
(source: http://www.indystar.com/library/factfiles/...evan/bayh.html)

On bringing back national service: http://bayh.senate.gov/serviceoped.htm

---



these are specific firms taz
your list is by occupations

are you on the payroll of Bayh? Have a connection with him, the way you are plugging for him?
Seems to go beyond idol worshipping

What part of he has NOTHING of the 5 traits obama said last week, not one of them, don't you get???


Graham you found me out --- I'm Evan Bayh's long lost illegitimate brother... rolleyes.gif

I am not a Bayh Spayh...

Just someone who does not accept your irrational efforts to slime Bayh...

Look at all the money Obama has taken from credit card companies and amusement ride companies and investment bankers...

Oooooohhh....

Can we trust Obama...

And Biden is in the pocket of law firms...

And so is Feingold...

So can we trust them?

Your post is meaningless...IMHO...

You said he was involved in multiple scandals --- still waiting for you to identify 1...

Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. 2001 - 2006

Election Cycle: 200820062004200220001998Career


Total of itemized contribution records of $200 or more: $8,400,998. To search these 9636 contributions for this member, click here.

Contributor Total
Pachulski, Stang et al $151,625
Simmons Cooper LLC $146,600
Law Office of Peter Angelos $105,500
Baron & Budd $101,500
Young, Conaway et al $98,025
MBNA Corp $80,625
Kreindler & Kreindler $71,350
Weil, Gotshal & Manges $65,100
Saul Ewing LLP $59,910
Weitz & Luxenberg $57,350
Comcast Corp $55,250
Skadden, Arps et al $55,075
Reaud, Morgan & Quinn $48,200
Richards, Layton & Finger $47,300
Grunfeld, Desiderio et al $46,200
Thornton & Naumes $42,900
Morris, Nichols et al $36,675
Kirkland & Ellis $33,010
Cozen & O'Connor $31,636
Franklin, Cardwell & Jones $31,300

Senator Russ Feingold 2001 - 2006


Election Cycle: 200820062004200220001998Career


Total of itemized contribution records of $200 or more: $702,883. To search these 2063 contributions for this member, click here.

Contributor Total
University of Wisconsin $162,204
Council for a Livable World $53,795
Habush, Habush et al $42,350
Foley & Lardner $39,857
Marshfield Clinic $24,950
Godfrey & Kahn $20,050
State of Wisconsin $19,975
Michael, Best & Friedrich $17,475
Milberg, Weiss et al $17,250
Quarles & Brady $15,850
Painters & Allied Trades Union $15,400
Teamsters Union $15,000
Medical College of Wisconsin $14,750
League of Conservation Voters $13,810
Bristol Bay Area Health Corp $13,300
Friebert, Finerty & St John $12,750
Citigroup Inc $12,200
Hed Inc $12,200
Lubar & Co $12,150
Jefferies & Co $12,100

Senator Barack Obama 2003 - 2008


Election Cycle: 20082006Career


Total of itemized contribution records of $200 or more: $176,075,277. To search these 293080 contributions for this member, click here.

Contributor Total
Goldman Sachs $658,430
University of California $495,159
JPMorgan Chase & Co $423,107
Citigroup Inc $393,904
UBS AG $377,600
University of Chicago $375,829
Harvard University $363,074
Lehman Brothers $342,760
Kirkland & Ellis $341,064
Skadden, Arps et al $335,234
Sidley Austin LLP $334,845
Google Inc $327,964
Exelon Corp $309,161
Morgan Stanley $297,463

National Amusements Inc $284,850
Jones Day $251,250
Time Warner $250,002
Jenner & Block $236,899
Latham & Watkins $230,276
Bank of America $227,442

tazvil04
Veepstakes: Texting the announcement Posted: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:16 AM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, McCain, Obama

A little after 6:00 pm ET last night, NBC’s Lauren Appelbaum reports that this message went out from Obama’s text-messaging service: "Barack will announce his VP candidate choice through txt msg between now & the Conv. Tell everyone to text VP to 62262 to be the first to know! Please forward."

Per NBC/NJ’s Mike Memoli, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs says this does NOT mean Obama has made his pick -- only that when he does he will announce via text.

USA Today has some pretty good vetting-problem bullet points on a few candidates, including Kaine, Bayh, Pawlenty and Cantor.

McCain "loves Lieberman. And he is on the [short]list because Lieberman has never embarrassed anyone, never misspoken. The first rule is, don't take someone who costs you votes," an adviser told The Financial Times. "Conservatives would be p---ed as hell - I think you would have a revolt, but sometimes John does what John wants to do."

More compiled by NBC/NJ's Matthew Berger and Carrie Dann...
REPUBLICANS: Former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge and McCain will campaign together today and tomorrow, after dining together Sunday night. McCain even landed at “Ridge Field” in Erie, Pa., the former governor’s hometown.

Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission touts Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney and Eric Cantor, while saying Ridge would be a “catastrophe.”

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal will travel to Detroit this week to persuade General Motors to keep a plant in Shreveport alive.

DEMOCRATS: Obama and Bayh are co-authoring a bill on fatherhood -- the Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families Act. "It would provide job training, remove marriage penalties from the tax code, and support domestic violence prevention efforts."

Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, fresh from vacation, offered a few veep-spec soundbites to reporters at the annual meeting of the Southern Governor's association this weekend. "I've always thought it was kind of a long shot, or not all that likely."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200...11/1259074.aspx
tazvil04
TONIGHT SHOW

Jay Leno

"It's being reported that Barack Obama may name Indiana Senator Evan Bayh as his vice-presidential running mate. Here's what we know about Evan Bayh. He was going to run for president, then he dropped out after getting less than 2% of the vote. Less that 2%! He was actually losing to low-fat milk."
tazvil04
Article published Aug 11, 2008
Does Obama have message Hoosiers are hungering for?
He's moving back from center and cranking up the populist rhetoric.

Indiana has not gone for a Democratic presidential candidate since Lyndon Johnson in 1964. But the Democratic primary this year energized a lot of new voters, and if they participate in the same numbers they did in the primary, this could become a blue state in November. Democratic nominee Barack Obama certainly thinks the state is in play. He has headquarters in almost every county, and last week, he was joined by U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh for yet another swing through the state.

The question is whether Obama has the right message to win the hearts and minds of Hoosiers. He startled - and even dismayed - many in his base after the primary by making a pronounced lean to the center on many issues. Now, he seems to be tilting back to a leftist populism, especially when he speaks in economically distressed areas.

Elkhart certainly qualifies for that status, with high gasoline prices forcing so many layoffs in the RV industry so critical to that region. Obama was in full “you are all innocent victims of big business” flower. In this case, the big business is Evil Oil:

The centerpiece of McCain's energy plan, he told residents, “is more drilling. It's not going to lower gas prices for you, but it has produced a gusher for John McCain,” he said, adding that McCain has gotten nearly $1 million in contributions from the oil industry.

Certainly drilling is not “the” answer, but it is one part of “an” answer: Use the oil while it's here, and start preparing for its eventual depletion. But Obama's solution is just to give every American family $1,000 to pay for rising fuel costs and investments in renewable fuel sources, financed by, yes, a “windfall profits” tax on Big Oil.

Obama keeps saying he's for change and that we have to get rid of the “tired programs of the past.” But his politics of envy - you are victims, and your only hope is for big government to stick it to the villains who are keeping you down - is the same redistributionism his party has been preaching since the New Deal.

Is that what down-to-earth, pragmatic Hoosiers really want to hear? We have seldom bought it in the past. Perhaps times are so different that we are now ready to give up on ourselves.

http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll...mplate=printart
tazvil04
John Nichols: Obama should go for the better Bayh
John Nichols — 8/13/2008 5:21 am

Barack Obama is considering whether to offer Sen. Bayh a place on the Democratic ticket.

That's exciting.

An Obama-Bayh ticket would link the freshness and vigor of Obama's candidacy with the depth and record of accomplishment of an elder statesman.

Even Obama's most ardent backers have to acknowledge that the senator from Illinois could use a ticket partner with a track record of:

Actively opposing an illegal and immoral war.

Blocking the nominations of conservative activists to the Supreme Court.

Not just defending but seeking to expand civil liberties protections.

Drafting two amendments that were added to the U.S. Constitution.

Standing unapologetically, indeed passionately, with organized labor, civil rights activists and feminists to advance a liberal economic and social agenda.

Senator Bayh would bring all those strengths to the Democratic ballot line.

Sen. Birch Bayh, that is.

The current Democratic senator from Indiana is Birch Evans Bayh III. He's known as "Evan." He's the wrong Bayh. A forgettable centrist, he voted to authorize George Bush to go to war with Iraq; backed the Bush administration on civil liberties, surveillance and torture issues; and voted for Bush-promoted free-trade pacts that have damaged the interests of workers, farmers, communities and the environment in the U.S. and abroad. He has worked for the better part of two decades to steer his party to the right as a leader of the "Republican-lite" Democratic Leadership Council.

Perhaps, some day, Evan Bayh will do something that would make him worthy of consideration for a place on a national ticket. But it hasn't happened yet.

But Evan Bayh is not the only "Sen. Bayh" from Indiana.

Birch Evans Bayh II -- the current senator's father -- served from 1963 to 1981 as the hardest working and most effective member of the Senate Judiciary Committee during that contentious era. The elder Bayh was never satisfied to debate the issues of the day -- although he did so brilliantly, especially when he was opposing the Vietnam War and urging passage of civil rights legislation. He worked, often with success, to achieve structural changes that were designed to make the American experiment more functional and democratic.

After the assassination of John Kennedy, it was Bayh who developed the plan to rationalize presidential succession that became the 25th Amendment to the Constitution. A few years later, Bayh was the architect of the 26th Amendment, which lowered the voting age to 18. And he came close to eliminating the Electoral College.

Not since the founders has one American official done so much to define the nation as Birch Bayh.

And he is still an able advocate for reform -- something Obama could use in a running mate and America could use in a vice president.

True, the right Bayh is 80 years old.

But that's only eight years older than John McCain.

And, frankly, if McCain's background is supposed to cause us to overlook his age and consider him seriously for the presidency, then surely Birch Bayh's record is impressive enough to cause us to overlook his age and consider him for the vice presidency.

John Nichols is associate editor of The Capital Times.


http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/300443
tazvil04
Obama’s VP: Biden or Bayh?
James Joyner | Friday, August 15, 2008

Barack Obama’s vice president may have a last name that starts with “Bye,” CNN’s Alexander Mooney reports.

The two senators widely believed to be at the top of Barack Obama’s shortlist for VP have been given prime-time speaking slots at the Democratic convention Wednesday night — the very same night the vice presidential candidate is slated to speak.

According to the Democratic National Convention Committee, both Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh and Delaware Sen. Joe Biden will deliver speeches on national security during the marquee night — the same evening former President Bill Clinton is also scheduled to speak.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and Colorado Sen. Ken Salazar will also speak Wednesday evening, according to the convention committee.

Of course, it could mean nothing. After all, Harry Reid surely isn’t going to be VP, even though he’s speaking that night. And it’s not like the DNC couldn’t switch around the schedule to accommodate their vice presidential nominee. Obama’s vising Richmond next week: Could it be Tim Kaine? Marc Ambinder thinks so. And don’t dismiss the possibility of a dramatic wild card. Robert Kuttner thinks Al Gore could be sweet talked into lending his stature to the ticket.

Of the above list, Kaine strikes me as the most obvious choice because of the executive experience and his helpfulness in bringing Virginia. Bayh is largely unknown but he’s young and considered a rising star. Biden brings national security gravitas but a lot of baggage. And he’s a little long in the tooth to be the attack dog in an “the other guy is too damned old” campaign. Al Gore on the ticket is a lefty fantasy. He still thinks he won the presidency in 2000; no way he plays second banana to a guy who was a year out of law school while Gore was vice president the last time.

Reading the tea leaves is fun but it’s just pure wild guessing at this point. It’s fully possible that even Obama doesn’t know yet who he’ll pick.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/..._biden_or_bayh/
tazvil04
Do liberals oppose Obama-Bayh ticket?

by Aamer Madhani

With anticipation that Sen. Barack Obama will choose his running mate soon after returning from his Hawaii vacation, there are some rumblings in the liberal blogosphere for Obama to choose someone other than Sen. Evan Bayh.

Some political prognosticators say that by picking Bayh, who was a strong supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton's run for the Democratic nomination, Obama can give a nod to angry Clinton supporters and put Indiana into play in November.

But some liberals seem to be chafing at the thought of an Obama-Bayh ticket.

In a column on the Huffington Post published today, Steve Clemons wrote that Bayh, the son of the former Indiana politician and Democratic hero Birch Bayh, would be an uninspired choice.

"In contrast to his indefatigable, passionate, and legislatively masterful father, Evan Bayh's approach to policy and politics comes off as flat and squeezes the air, sizzle, and enthusiasm out of the Obama balloon," wrote Clemons, who urged his readers to let the Obama campaign know what they think about Bayh.

The Washington Independent notes that earlier today, a new group was launched on the social networking site Facebook called "100,000 Strong Against Evan Bayh for VP.



Central to the liberal argument is that Bayh's is a centrist--relatively uknown nationally--and was also a strong backer of the war in Iraq. He was the co-chairman on the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq--a group that the presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain was also a member of.

Here is what the Facebook group had to say:

Obama's judgment about the war was the central tenet of the best arguments for his earning the Democratic nomination.

Choosing Evan Bayh, who fell hook, line, and sinker for the administration's case for a disastrous war and dragged much of our party with him, would undermine one of Obama's major advantages.

The Obama campaign will be deciding its VP in the next day or two - they may have already, but if they haven't, they are listening for feedback from people like us. This is a moment where we could really make a difference.

Let's grow this group to 100,000 in a day and send a clear message to the Obama campaign that Evan Bayh is not the right choice for Vice President.

As of 1:30 p.m., 100,000 Against Bayh had only 325 members, but the launching of such a group poses an interesting question:

Would Obama picking Bayh take the sizzle from the candidate who repeatedly reminded voters during the primaries and caucuses that he was the only one amongst the Democratic frontrunners to oppose the war from the beginning?


Posted by Aamer Madhani on August 13, 2008 1:49 PM

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics...obama-bayh.html
tazvil04
Midwest to be key to White House
Ohio among states that have decisive electoral votes
Monday, August 11, 2008 3:23 AM
By Jack Torry

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Who should John McCain choose as his Republican running mate?
WASHINGTON -- They each have the same goal: 270 electoral votes. To get there, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain will take very different roads.

But at the very end, they will meet in the Midwest.

With Obama currently doing well in states having 238 electoral votes and McCain likely to win states with 141, the historic swing states of Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Missouri will determine the outcome of the presidential race.

Four years ago, President Bush's slender victory in Ohio over Democrat John Kerry gave the Republican a second term. Although Obama could conceivably amass 270 without carrying Ohio, it is virtually impossible for McCain to lose the state and win the presidency.

"I still think it comes down to Ohio," said Kevin Madden, spokesman for Bush's Midwestern campaign four years ago and a senior adviser to the presidential campaign of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney this year. "Name me a Republican who has won the presidency without winning Ohio."

Of course, none ever has.

Obama has an easier path to the presidency; he could win a handful of states that Kerry barely lost in 2004. For example, if Obama wins Virginia, New Mexico and Nevada with their 23 electoral votes, he might not need Ohio's 20. But it would be very difficult for him to lose both Ohio and Michigan and still win.

"The Obama campaign can be looking at a number of states the Republicans won in 2004 and say 'We have a chance of winning those,' " said Herb Asher, a Democrat who is professor emeritus of political science at Ohio State University. "Ohio would be one of those states, but obviously he can look at Virginia, Iowa, New Mexico, Nevada and maybe Colorado."

Dennis Eckart, a former Democratic congressman from Cleveland and an Obama supporter, said, "McCain does not seem to be expanding the electorate. I don't see (Obama) losing anything Kerry won, and I see him being competitive in states which Kerry lost."

The candidates are devoting substantial time, people and money to Ohio and Michigan. Since June 13, Obama has spent five days campaigning in Ohio and two in Michigan. McCain has campaigned on seven different days in Ohio since June 26 and four in Michigan since July 10.

The two states are crucial because so much of the rest of the country seems already ceded to one candidate or the other. William Carrick, a Democratic consultant in Los Angeles, said private polls show that McCain has no real chance to win California, Oregon and Washington. Obama also is expected to sweep every Northeastern state except New Hampshire.

But Obama has yet to overcome the Democratic weakness in the South that has plagued the party since the height of the Vietnam War and the civil-rights battles of the 1960s. In five of the nine presidential elections since 1972, the Republican nominee has won all 11 states of the Deep South.

"McCain will probably carry all or nearly all of the Southern states," said Merle Black, a professor of political science at Emory University in Atlanta. "Virginia is the best shot for Obama, but McCain would still be the favorite there."

Should McCain win all 161 electoral votes in the South, Obama would need to win 70 percent of the remaining electoral votes across the rest of the country. That places a premium on swing states such as Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania, prompting Black to say, "It comes back to the Midwest."

If history is any guide, Obama is the favorite in Pennsylvania while McCain has the edge in Ohio. Democratic presidential candidates have won Pennsylvania in every election since 1992, although their margins of victory are often tantalizingly close for the Republicans.

"I don't see how a Republican wins Pennsylvania this year," said William J. Green, a GOP consultant in Pittsburgh.

Ohio and Michigan may be much closer. McCain's latest round of commercials about Obama's celebrity seems aimed directly at blue-collar workers in both states.

McCain not only is poking fun at Obama, but also portraying himself as tough in two states where "they like tough guys," said Peter Harris, a Democratic consultant and former aide to the late Sen. Howard Metzenbaum, D-Ohio.

"What they're really showing is that he's a schoolyard bully, and Obama is not punching him back," complained Harris, among Democratic strategists who want Obama to respond more aggressively.

McCain could boost his chances of winning Michigan by selecting Romney as his running mate. Romney won the Michigan primary in January and older voters fondly remember his father, George, who served as the state's governor in the 1960s.

"McCain can certainly help himself in this state by picking Romney," said Tom Shields, a Republican consultant in Michigan. But noting that no Republican presidential candidate has won Michigan since 1988, Shields acknowledged that "Michigan has been one those states that teased a lot of Republican candidates and then fallen by the wayside at the end."

Obama has vice presidential options that could help him in traditionally Republican states. He could choose Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and give Democrats a chance to win that state for the first time since 1964. Or he could turn to Democratic Gov. Tim Kaine of Virginia.

"You need a state like Virginia to offset those other states," said Mary Anne Marsh, a Democratic consultant in Boston. "Michigan and Pennsylvania, even though they have gone for the Democrats, they're never easy."

Dispatch Washington Bureau Chief Jonathan Riskind contributed to this story.

jtorry@dispatch.com

http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/conte...ics&sid=101
tazvil04
A veep to keep us awake
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By STEVE AND COKIE ROBERTS
The Morning Sun
Posted Aug 14, 2008 @ 11:27 PM

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WASHINGTON D.C. — What's a boring old white guy to do? OK, so John McCain's not really boring, and from our vantage point he's not even old, but that's the public perception he's stuck with against a charismatic young black guy. And it's a perception that complicates the Republican's choice of a vice-presidential candidate. Because he's "boring," McCain needs someone exciting; because he's "old," McCain needs someone ready to take the helm. And a non-white non-guy wouldn't hurt, either.

It's much easier for Barack Obama. Since the presidential race is all about him, his running mate needs only to do no harm. Obama can sort out for himself which type of running mate to go with. He could decide to fill in a blank on his own resume by choosing someone with foreign-policy experience like Joe Biden, or executive experience like former Gov. and current Sen. Evan Bayh. Indiana's Bayh might also bring the Democrat his otherwise red state, which is another way to choose the No. 2 -- settle on a state that could make a difference.

If Obama decides to go with that strategy, Virginia's Catholic Gov. Tim Kaine makes sense. But Kaine's limited experience could do harm, and his support for abortion restrictions might alienate some feminists. Another governor, Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas, is unlikely to push her state into democratic territory, but she might help in Ohio where her father was governor.

There's still another model Obama could choose. Rather than try to solidify a state or balance his weaknesses, Obama might instead pick someone who underlines his strengths. That's what Bill Clinton did with Al Gore, a fellow baby boomer from a neighboring state, creating an image of a young and energetic team free from the hidebound practice of assembling a ticket.

Obama seemed sympathetic to that model when he told NBC recently that he wants somebody who agrees "that we've got to fundamentally change not only our policies but how our politics works, how business is done in Washington." To demonstrate how radically he wants to shake things up, Obama's campaign has even floated a couple of Republican names for the No. 2 spot -- Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel and former Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman.

It doesn't much matter which pattern the Democrat repeats. His vice-presidential candidate's chief task will be one of reassurance -- calming voters concerned that the young man at the top of the ticket is somewhat risky. The American political scene is filled with sober-sided types who can fill that bill, and Obama would be fine with any of them unless his vetters trip up and select someone who has tucked away a skeleton or ticked off a constituency. John McCain faces an even tougher challenge: Finding someone who tamps down fears about his age while ratcheting up interest in his campaign, preferably not another white male. But every name suggested presents a problem. Businesswomen Carly Fiorina or Meg Whitman? No government experience. Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin? Also short on experience, and caught up in party problems at home. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice? Too much experience with the Bush administration, plus she's reportedly not interested; neither is Texas Sen. Kay Hutchison. The new Indian-American governor of Louisiana, Bobby Jindal? Too young, only 37.

Even if he can't find someone other than a white male, what about fresh faces from outside of Washington, like Tim Pawlenty, the popular governor of Minnesota? As commander in chief? It's a stretch. The same's true for Charlie Crist, the not-so-popular governor of Florida. A man much easier to envision in the Oval Office, former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge, creates problems with the Republican base because he's pro-choice.

The base isn't happy with McCain's erstwhile opponent Mitt Romney, either, but might be grudgingly ready to accept him. He would bring some economic heft to the ticket and maybe even deliver Michigan -- but excitement? It would be NoDoz time for the electorate. McCain's current sidekick Joe Lieberman, who has already lost one bid for vice president, would have the same soporific effect, as would former budget director and Rep. Rob Portman of Ohio.

Where does that leave McCain? Hoping one of those solid but stolid men will make his ticket look like the safe "grown-ups" in the race. After all, white men have made up all but one previous presidential ticket. The voters will just have to stay awake long enough to get to the polls.

Cokie Roberts' latest book is "Ladies of Liberty: The Women Who Shaped Our Nation" (William Morrow, 2008). Steve and Cokie Roberts can be contacted at stevecokie@gmail.com.

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graham4anything
Obama is already winning Indiana, doesn't need now to appease Hillary at all, and that is why Bayh has fallen to 4th place in the veepmarkets

Whereas McCain needs to win VA, without VA, McCain has NO possible way of winning (and Obama don't need VA, but its gravy on the cake).
Arneoker
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 09:23 AM) *
Obama is already winning Indiana, doesn't need now to appease Hillary at all, and that is why Bayh has fallen to 4th place in the veepmarkets


Who here is saying that Obama should pick Bayh to appease Hillary? Since when would that be appeasing her?

QUOTE
Whereas McCain needs to win VA, without VA, McCain has NO possible way of winning (and Obama don't need VA, but its gravy on the cake).


Well I personally hope Obama wins Virginia, although he can win without the state, and I agree that it would be awfully hard for McCain to win if he lost it. (But gravy on cake sounds pretty disgusting! yucky.gif )
tazvil04
For those who oppose the selection of Evan Bayh as Vice President by Barack Obama --- should he be chosen I would ask that you first of all respect Barack Obama's decision.

We have shown intense support for Obama on this site. We praise his judgment on many, though not all issues. If he should select Evan Bayh, I believe it would be on the basis of not only political calculations, but also because he believes he is prepared to be President, and that he would be a loyal supporter of the Barack Obama agenda and administration.

Few Kennedy supporters thought Lyndon Johnson was the best choice by Senator John F. Kennedy to be Vice President. While Johnson may have erred on the Vietnam War, Johnson, despite his dislike of many of the Kennedy's and their supporters, was a fiercely loyal support of the Kennedy Adminsitration domestic policies and agendas. His efforts and political acumen are largely responsible for the rich and robust legacy which became the Great Society that grew from more than just seeds that were developed in the Kennedy Adminsitration including the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Bayh has economic, executive and foreign policy experience. He has built the Indiana Democratic party from ashes into the robust organization that it is today. His nomination as VP could bring the Indiana State House back to the Democrats. He has been a loyal supporter of jobs programs and pro-growth Democratic initiatives in his states and nationwide that have promoted the interests of small business throughout the country. He speaks in a language well understood and appreciated by persons in red states where he as a Democrat has won statewide election 5 times. He did support the Iraq war. However, unlike some, he has admitted that to be a mistake.

Evan Bayh may not be the most dynamic or even likeable choice. Some of you may have prejudices against him which are insurmountable. However, Barack Obama is a skilled and practical politician. Should he select Bayh he will have seen more in him than some of us have. Trust him. He is out hope for the future and that hope will include not only Obama, but also his running mate. They will be inextricably linked and if you truly support Obama, than you will support the complete ticket.

Obama's Veep Choice Early Next Week?
August 14, 2008 03:00 PM ET | Paul Bedard | Permanent Link
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whi...-next-week.html

Indications from the Obama and McCain camps are that the vice presidential picks are right around the corner. Top Democratic sources tell Whispers that Sen. Barack Obama could announce this week, after returning home from vacation Friday. What's unclear is if he will do it this weekend or next week. But, says the source, picking his running mate in the next week "gives him a couple of days to fly around with whoever it is and into the Democratic convention" in Denver starting August 25.

Many party insiders expect Obama to pick Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh, a popular former governor.

On the Republican front, the picture isn't as clear because the GOP convention is still two weeks away, giving Sen. John McCain more time to work on his choice. But party insiders believe that he will name his nominee as early as the Friday, August 29, following the Democratic convention. That would give McCain the headline going into the weekend and into his convention in Minnesota.

Who he will pick is less clear, in part because party officials believe he is considering several candidates, including some women. Democratic officials, however, tell Whispers that they believe he is leaning to South Dakota Sen. John Thune, a darling of conservatives for beating former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle. GOP party insiders, however, see McCain picking somebody from a key battleground state.

Democrats also fret that if he picks a woman, such as former eBay boss Meg Whitman or Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, that moderate supporters of Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton will jump ship to vote for the ticket propelled by their desire to put a woman in the White House.

tazvil04
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 07:23 AM) *
Obama is already winning Indiana, doesn't need now to appease Hillary at all, and that is why Bayh has fallen to 4th place in the veepmarkets

Whereas McCain needs to win VA, without VA, McCain has NO possible way of winning (and Obama don't need VA, but its gravy on the cake).


If McCain wins Ohio and Fla he does not need Va.

Bayh would help Obama win Ohio and IN.
graham4anything
he didn't help gore win either in 2000 and Kerry win either in 2004.
Why would he help now?

OBAMA ALREADY IS LEADING IN INDIANA...HE DON'T NEED ANY HELP AT ALL

I was 100% correct on Edwards, I am 200% correct here.
tazvil04
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 07:31 AM) *
he didn't help gore win either in 2000 and Kerry win either in 2004.
Why would he help now?

OBAMA ALREADY IS LEADING IN INDIANA...HE DON'T NEED ANY HELP AT ALL

I was 100% correct on Edwards, I am 200% correct here.


Why is Obama giving Hillary such a presence at the Democratic convention Graham?

His campaign has concerns.

If you have been reading the same pollinig information I have, there is a chance that white voters are not telling the whole story and may be afraid to represent their personal prejudices. This could make it difficult for Barack Obama to win IN despite his favorable polling numbers. Another reality is that while Obama is doing well among white women, among white men he is doing much worse than Kerry which is another troublesome trend. Evan Bayh is a figure respected in these communities.

Obama does need help in OH, IN, WV, NV, etc.

Bayh would provide that assistance. He is a steady hand.

We were both right about Edwards. One of us will be wrong here. We shall see. Trust in Obama. He will make the right decision.
Arneoker
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 09:31 AM) *
I was 100% correct on Edwards, I am 200% correct here.

Of course you were not 100% correct on Edwards, as you have been claiming considerably more than he was cheating on Elizabeth. (Which apparently she deserved, but you didn't.)
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