I don't know her nor do I say I do.
I just know her from the boards.
And know of her son from her writing.

puhllleeeze

her people are already using this to create MORE LIES

Who do you think got this released now????????????????????????????

Mr. Osmosis.

I know personally how the celebrity photographers are called and work.
They don't come up with the clues on their own
They are LED to the info like a trail of breadcrumbs in the forrest

And the persons who led it obviously were not John or Rielle.

Add 2 and 2 together and you got TROUBLE

AS WITH EVERYTING ELSE
INVESTIGATE
THEN FILE CHARGES
ARREST
CONVICT

Graham, you may very well convince me to contact the Edwards people and ask them how I can help him with a contribution.

You have proven to want everything and anything swept under the carpet and hidden from view
To you, there are no conspiracies just idiots who have theories

But well, that is why magmak and others left the board in the first place.

and calling ME names is not very civil, now is it?

as if 19 bumbling pilots could have done an Israeli AIPAC style military hit on 2 buildings, caused 4 to fall, then have that magic passport from hell fall into the hands of the one
person who could name all 19.

BTW-as you are reading this thread- PLEASE CHANGE THE NAME OF THE THREAD ON POLLING- as the race is not tied, that old title is a BIG MISNOMER and distorts the truth.
Thank you.

I believe John Edwards WILL marry this person a few years from now, and the two shall bring up their child together, at least that was the plan.
If he didn't go into that hotel room in July to bodily threaten her, then he went to continue their still on-going affair.
The "official " story he tried to lie about on ABC is bullspit.

To compare this cheapie with those young women is not all that much better than the joke Imus madea about them.

No one is smearing Hunter. They are making rather plausible conclusions based on her activities.

hE DON'T need YOUR money

He has close to a billion of his own dollars (not to mention what 14 million still in his campaign files???) He don't need your money.

He should return all of it to those who he got it from under false frauduelent motives.
And return ALL the book money the two of them made too

There is in NYC the Son of Sam law...

BTW- is adultry still a crime punishable in court, in North or South Carolina?

Since when did logic ever stop this kind of tirade?

Actually no. There are conspiracies, and plausible theories about conspiracies. These of yours, and whoever may agree with you, simply don't fall in that category.

For example. The NE did not need Hillary to lead them to this. Think of this. If Hillary could find out, then don't you think people who are in the business in exposing scandals could? And all you have is that Hillary might have been able to find out. Well lots of people could have found out. As you know something about how these people work, maybe you did, and are making these crazy claims to distract from that. Makes sense, doesn't it? But of course it would be a ridiculous claim as there is no evidence for such a theory, and there are so many alternative possibilities.



That was their choice. When some can't stand it don't blame others for heating up the kichen .



Neither is making blatantly false claims. I have called you no names. I have made very pointed comments about your trashy posts here. But I have not called you any names.



Lots of people believe lots of things, don't they?

Maybe I should start a John Edwards Defense Fund. Anyone here interested?

It would be just like John Edwards to get people to contriubte to him so he could keep his 200billion or whatever he has in his bank account

with his McMansion he has (remember how he gave the poor people next to him such problems???))

It is a crock.

He lied.
He lied again.
He lied a third time.

He has committed fraud IMHO, and it should be investigated.

Graham, you are beginning to convince me that John Edwards probably needs a bigger and nicer house and that people should give him money so that he can get it.

Doesn't stop the FACT that Elizabeth COVERED UP this and allowed JOhn to run
KNOWING IT WOULD COME OUT
FOR 2 YEARS AFTERWARD

She is guilty too of this coverup.

If they didn't want the heat now, they should have stayed out of the kitchen

Obama would have won weeks earlier had he not been in the race.

Graham, maybe Edwards should go to your house and make an apology to you personally.

While I think his behavior here sucks I personally have no problem with him.

smear a messenger or the woman

but it doesn't take away the fact that we have SERIOUS CRIMES OR POSSIBLITIES OF CRIMES DONE HERE

There is NO difference whatsoever with what OJ Simpson did in Vegas, going to get his merchandise back, and Edwards trying to get his VP/AG back.

Both barged into a hotel room and I (and others) want to know

This boils down to blackmail/payoffs/hush money

Because people had inside information prior to it coming out, events went down- HOW???
What is the timeline?

And who is involved?

We have people now on camera saying a story, we have bundlers giving cash payoffs for silence, claiming they did not tell Edwards

Who gives millions of dollars away for free? It defies logic. The woman had a million dollar house.

This Andy Young was married and is married, isn't he? With children.

This is about as phony an explanation as the 9-11 official story. The nose knows it STINKS.

Read the MAJOR MEDIA NEWSSTORIES ABOVE

One can see- it is not just menobody here thinking these things.

It is bona-fide press like the NY Times (who gave a photo of the Enquier IN COLOR) in their paper, after cover-ing it up for 2 years.

And why now???
2 weeks before the convention.

I deeply fear what is coming next...if it happens, I will let you know after the fact and tell you I told you so.

Graham, maybe the guy in the office next to mine has committed a serious crime. I certainly see no reason why that could not be possible, can you?

Why don't you want to investigate him?

I don't know if he committed fraud. Was it fraudulent to use campaign money to pay for the videos done by Hunter? If someone other than Hunter had been paid to do the videos would it have been improper use of the campaign funds?

Edwards' supporters and contributors might be totally disgusted that he used their donations to pay Hunter for her work, but was it an improper use of funds? I don't know.

Apparently Graham cannot bear to say the words I highlighted.

Unless I find out otherwise, I imagine that paying people to make videos is a legitimate expenditure from campaign funds.

A voice of reason (without hyperbole)...

We need an investigation into all aspects of this.

And I am sure many people here would 100% want a republican doing the same thing to be investigated.
Look how much anger there was at Sen. Craig, and there is no suggestion he made payoffs...

We know payoffs were made, Edwards himself said so on national tv (that may come back to haunt him too)...
are these two males who have helped him out willing to testify under oath for what they did? And if not...where does it lead to?

Something stinks about the timing of this all (and DGGfwtx saying a point like he did about Hillary winning without Edwards, then hearing the same bullspit from 3 other HILLARY people including
Howard Wolfson, indicates to me that this is all coordinated (Hillary fans parrotting soundbytes is not coincidental in my opinion)...
And if that is true, THEN HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON and Bill Clinton are involved in this too

That sounds like a conspiracy to alter an election, if you ask me...Let's get the facts on the table SOONER RATHER THAN LATER-and then, like everyone wants to see Karl Rove perp walked,
I want to see all guilty perped walked

The whole video thing raises questions. But it does seem legitimate.

Graham, quite honestly this thing does not excite me enough to demand investigations. I am for investigating the incident with the mayor of Berwyn Heights, MD. I am for investigating the whole FBI-anthrax fiasco and why they screwed up and if there is still something more in that case.

Now if law enforcement thinks there are serious questions here and want to investigate then I have no problem. But is not something that I would clamor for.

NOT FROM what people are saying-
that she got the job AFTER the affair started.
In which case, it would be the same thing others like James McGreevey illegally did with his boyfriend

and Rudy Giuliani, having an affair with a low staff worker, then she quickly rose through the ranks to a 6figure job (and got married off to another staff memeber when the heat was applied)

Timeline very important

AND THIS ONLY CAME OUT, REMEMBER, BECAUSE EDWARDS ON NATIONAL TV DEEMED TO TALK ABOUT IT

So don't blame people for talking about it, and making assumptions, when EDWARDS came out and said this, and admitted that payoffs were made for silence

He even had the audacity to say he went over there to stop her from bringing it out

HIS OWN WORDS...

(btw- did anyone notice how Edwards mentioned McCain doing the exact same thing, but ABC edited those words out from the transcript and future showings of it???but that stuff belongs on
an anti-mcCain thread, not here.)

You mean people now won't vote for Obama because of the Edward's affair...that's why you think the Clinton's were involved in exposing the affair?

you still don't, with all due respect, think there were any smoking guns relating to Bush and impeachment hearings...so excuse me if I disagree with you here.

And we certainly have not heard the end of this, (though Edwards as a lawyer himself, should have had a lawyer tell him to SHUT UP) before he spilled the beans on national tv.
Hugh Grant on Jay Leno, he ain't. (and by the way, Hugh Grant's career was effictively over after that, he gets some roles now, but his star power has burnt out).

incoming pm

You mean a "conflict of interest" issue as to how the funds were used? Maybe in that Edwards didn't hire an experienced person to do the videos because of his personal invovelement with her...but is that a criminal offense or bad judgement?

Graham, what I said (admittedly well after the impeachementistas declared their devotion to the cause) was that there was enough for me to seriously explore the possibility, but there were not any of what most of the public would see as "smoking guns" to make a formal impeachment drive politically viable. I have always been for investigating the copious amount of crap involved with this Administration.



Actually Graham, I think the possibility that we could have heard the end of this is a very live one, annd is a possibility that terrifies you. But to say the words that should not be said, I don't know.



I actually mostly agree with you on this one, although I am not totally sure that Edwards' political career is over. (It could be, but politicians have come back after incidents of infidelity.) But I don't see Edwards as handling this all that well. Some of what he has said seems appropriate, but other stuff just comes of as pathetic excuses.

I don't know!

But those are very good questions, requiring very good answers.

If I were an Edwards supporter I would want that $100,000 + paid to Hunter given back to the donors...equally distributed among all his donors.

The4 affair tells something about Edwards, but his handling of the mess tells a whole lot more.


This is a very big reason to be thankful that Kerry did not win in 2004!

all I can say is your math must tell you 2 plus 2 = 6 oye vey! This has nothing whatsoever to do with Kerry.

Just like Joe Lieberman's traitorism 8 years later has nothing to do with Gore

So we know that Edwards would have had an affair if he had been the VP? But anyway, I wasn't happy with Edwards as Kerry's VP choice....I didn't think he brought much of interest to the ticket.

"So we know that Edwards would have had an affair if he had been the VP?"



No, more importantly we know for certain what kind of person Edwards is!

The fork in the road would have led to a completely different path so its not even realistic to make any assumptions.

Yes.. he has chacter flaws... as does everyone. Yes... he exercised bad judgment... but it is a stretch to extrapolate his behavior based on temptation on a personal level to his performance had he been VP.

Aside from that he would have been VP not POTUS and Kerry would have been running the show for the last four years... and probably the next four years and JE wouldn't have been an issue until 2012... if then.

Yes, we do know what kind of person Edward's is...yep, and maybe his "narcissism" would have led to him having affair if he were the VP.... Bill Clinton
style nonsense....I'm thankful he didn't get the nomination.

What?

Mac2 you have to be pulling our leg here.

Kerry did not have an affair --- John Edwards did...

If Kerry had won and this had come out regarding Edwards --- Kerry likely would have asked him to resign --- and if he had any character at all left he would have listened...

But think of what your statement would have meant --- in exchange for the nation not having to suffer the embarrassment attached to John Edwards as vice president having an extramarital affair --- we would have given up Kerry's

-approach of holding Iraq to benchmarks 3 years before Bush did and providing 40,000 additional special forces troops as well
-a strategy to deal with North Korea and Iran and the Middle East in 2005 rather than waiting until 2007...
-a strategy to deal with the problems concerning jobs, global warming, etc etc etc...in 2005 --rather than 2009...

AND we may not have had the housing downturn with Kerry in there because instead of allowing the subprime mess to get out of hand -- he likely would have urged Congress and the government regulators he oversees to step in much sooner and clean it up...

So, try being a little less shortsighted, my friend...

but all these red herrings don't take away the fact that there is the strong sniff of
a major illegalities having occurred here

Fraud
payoffs
silence
yet nobody is complaining about it

Not the 2 men who paid off (Young and the bundler)
Not the woman

If i were some of them, I would watch out for being found under a tree in the park with a gun with no blood around nor the gun in position for having fired a shot by the dead person
under the tree
There is a pattern for that type of thing in recent (28 year) history

Anyone here who actually knows something about the law who would like to talk about these interesting legal questions?

If I pay someone to be silent about something, is that illegal if I did not commit any crimes in the first place? Maybe I would be embarassed if the information got out even if I did nothing illegal.

That depends, said payment (or any other kind of pressure) can also be illegal if it obstructs any legal investigation or proceeding (civil suit, deposition, etc). There isn't even a hint of that being the case in this instance, just indicating that crimes aren't the only determining factor.

Arne -- you are right...unless you used public moneys to cover up the information...

Rielle was paid campaign money for 4 videos on Youtube...was this excessive?

If so, this could be termed hush money and inappropriate -- bordering on fraud...


Posted on Sat, Aug. 09, 2008

Who's the woman at the center of the Edwards scandal?
Craig Jarvis | Raleigh News & Observer
last updated: August 09, 2008 10:06:58 AM

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/v-...tory/47041.html

Rielle Hunter has been an evasive figure these past nine months as rumors of her affair with John Edwards gained momentum on the Internet.

Yet she spent the past two decades living an often high-profile life, from the New York City literary party world of the '80s to Hollywood in the '90s to this decade's boutique spiritual retreats.

Hunter, 44, is the woman with whom former Sen. John Edwards on Friday acknowledged having had an affair. Edwards, 55, denied the National Enquirer's claims that he is the father of the baby girl Hunter delivered in February and that he has paid her hush money.

Apart from the Enquirer's sightings of her living in the Governor's Club gated community in Chapel Hill in December and more recently at a Beverly Hills hotel and in Santa Barbara, Calif., Hunter has dropped out of sight.

Efforts to reach Hunter on Friday were unsuccessful. The television show "Extra" reported last month that Hunter had denied the Enquirer allegations.

Most of what is known of her is what has surfaced in written records, from courthouses to magazines.

As Lisa Druck, she was a Florida girl from the time she was born in Fort Lauderdale until she left in 1984, after spending less than two years enrolled at the University of Tampa. By 1987, she had ended up in the hard-partying New York circle of novelist Jay McInerney.

McInerney, whose books portrayed the cocaine-fueled atmosphere of New York City in the 1980s, based his third novel, "Story of My Life," on his time with Druck and their friends. One character, Alison Poole, was specifically modeled after her, McInerney said in a 2005 magazine article. He said that she had "intrigued and appalled" him.

The story, in Breathe Magazine, was primarily a transcript of a discussion between Hunter and McInerney following their reunion in Manhattan that year.

"For me you're a little bit frozen in time, a little bit Alison Poole, the 21-year-old party girl in that book who runs around New York going to nightclubs, doing drugs, and abusing credit cards," McInerney said.

She replies that she did a lot of drugs, but adds that she was struck by her character's "need for truth."

"That's definitely a theme in my life -- seeker of truth," she tells him.

Hunter tells him that she left New York to move to Los Angeles to become an actress and to get away from the drug scene in New York. She said she got off drugs in California with the help of a healer.

In 1991, she married Alexander M. Hunter III, a lawyer; they lived in a $700,000 bungalow in Beverly Hills. It was there, in the heart of the movie industry, that she started using the stage name Rielle Hunter, and in 1994 legally adopted that name. which is pronounced "Riley."

She tried her hand at writing, churning out scripts for potential TV, film or stage projects with such titles as "Jupiter, Where Are You?", "So Very Virgo," "Reality Reels," "It's All About Uranus," "S- Happens: The Never Ending Search for the Perfect Diaper" and "Needy Nellie." None of the titles, which are listed in the property settlement order in the Hunters' 1999 divorce case, are in the authoritative Internet Movie Data Base.

Hunter did manage to get a project listed in IMDB in 2000 with a comedy short called "Billy Bob and Them." That same year, her divorce was finalized. According to the records, she received $5,000 a month for all of 2000 and then $4,000 a month for the next year, and then the spousal support ended. In October, Alexander Hunter declined to be interviewed and could not be reached Friday. During the ensuing years, Hunter claimed to have spent a lot of money attending spiritual retreats and by May 2004, was tired of it, according to her Breathe Magazine conversation with McInerney. She said in that state of despair she had an awakening that was so startling -- "For weeks after I couldn't even leave my house."

By the end of 2004, Hunter had started a foundation promoting higher consciousness, and set up a Web site: beingisfree.org, in which she posted the Breathe Magazine story, photos of herself and other spiritual seekers, including a swami, an astrologer and a Malibu healer. Three of those people contacted by The News & Observer during the past nine months said they hadn't seen Hunter in years and didn't know enough about her to be interviewed.

The site was taken down soon after the first National Enquirer article was published, in October.

In 2006, Edwards was widely seen as a likely presidential candidate but he had not yet formally declared his intentions. At an event with supporters and donors at a New York City restaurant, Hunter introduced herself to some of Edwards' staff and gave them her business cards, saying she was a producer, and was allowed to briefly meet Edwards, according accounts given by Hunter and Edwards' staff.

Less than a month later, she and her video production company, Midline Productions, had a six-month contract worth more than $100,000 to produce a series of videographed "Webisodes" following Edwards on the campaign trail, which included trips to Africa and Iowa. The videos were posted on Edwards' political action committee. They have since returned to the Internet on YouTube.

"He was very authentic. He was inspirational to me," Hunter told the TV program Extra in February 2007. "I was around him a lot. It was great. We went to Africa. The whole experience was life altering for me."

She said she was ignorant of politics, and added, "Politics makes Hollywood look like a spiritual community."

Anyone want to talk about how salacious gossip seems to be worthy of all this bandwidth ?

Edwards is not a candidate in this present election season.

He has no effect on the economy, the wars the US is now engaged in pursuing, the environment , or anything else which has calamitous possibilities for all of us.

For crying out loud.. go buy a National Enquirer or one of its counterparts if gossip is of more interest to you than the future of the country and the world.

This has been talked to death. Its now conjecture, what ifs, and maybes. Some so farfetched they qualify for an award for the Most Imaginative of 2008

Give it a rest.

OK, so if you are all trashing the girl and she is nothing at all,

THEN (as Monty Hall used to say on Let's make a deal)" LET'S GO TO DOOR #4 Carol Marrell and show us what's behind that curtain..."

Then this is equivelant to Bill Clinton giving Paula Jones or Jennifer Flowers a major position
to keep quiet...or paying Juanita Broaddrick money to shut her mouth and not go on tv
(which he didn't, he just used them and losed them or abused them according to Juanita).

You see guys, you can't have it both ways

AND SOMETHING IS ROTTEN IN DENMARK EITHER WAY YOU WANNA PLAY IT

And I for one am not a freakin' old violin that is being played again.

Where is Denmark Graham? So far it only seems to be in your imagination. Maybe it is somewhere else. Then maybe my office mate is guilty of having done something horrible too. We just don't know.

For now the most plausible explanation here is that Edwards paid Hunter not reveal embarassing information, as opposed to his or anyone else's criminal behavior.

In line with what CO just said...

How about that little war in the Caucasus where real people are getting killed and all?

Thank you for your moralistic high and mighty opinions, CO. We'll discuss the Edward's issue for as long as the details interest us......thank you very much.

Our continuing the discussion should in no way imply we are not paying very close attention to the pressing issues facing our nation.....

Well I think discussing this has some value, and we have discussed things considerably more trivial than this. But I think CO has a point here.

What is important here anyway? I do see some legitimate concerns here. I also see some fantastic concerns. I think that the legitimate concerns have been discussed, and mostly maturely.

Yes, and anyone is free to not participate in this discusssion.

"Narciissism" is Edwards explanation for the affair, but there is a whole lot more that that affair to this incident.


For example, Edwads feels threatened by the press so he hides in a restroom! That tells a great deal about his character ...don't you think?

What assumption was made?

Perhaps the biggest part of the job of any president is judging the character and qualifications of people.

Gee Mac, what if he were trying to preserve secrets important to national security, would anyone care if he hid in a restroom?

It is the context here which makes his actions so tawdry.

I do agree that there is an issue of his character here. If he ever actually mounts some kind of political comeback then people will simply have to use their best judgment as to how important that character issue is to them.