Deployed Troops Donate to Obama 6-1 Over McCain
August 14, 2008 | 03:20 PM (EST)
"Why do the troops hate the troops?"
Honestly, after years of hearing that if you don't support the Bush military policy, you don't support the troops, you have to wonder what the neo-cons will do now. Today, a study by the Center for Responsive Politics reported that members of the military are giving more donations to Senator Obama than Senator McCain, and when you just examine those troops who are deployed, Obama attracts more donations by a 6 to 1 factor.
Troops, of course, aren't much different than most Americans, who overwhelmingly oppose the Bush military policy that John McCain would continue (the latest AP-Ipsos poll had 62 percent disapproving of the Bush policy). It's just that troops have a lot more personal experience on this particular issue. We know that those who served believe Iraq has overstreched the military, and for years that those who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan are solidly against the current policy.
Now, members of the military are speaking with their checkbooks, and reiterating just how strongly they believe we need to begin to redeploy from Iraq, and go on the offense against al Qaeda, which is making huge gains in Afghanistan.
And, yes, things are getting much worse in Afghanistan. The New York Times reports today, from Saydebad:
"Not far from here, just off the highway that was once the showpiece of the United States reconstruction effort in Afghanistan, three American soldiers and their Afghan interpreter were ambushed and killed seven weeks ago... The soldiers -- two of them members of the National Guard from New York -- died as their vehicles were hit by mines and rocket-propelled grenades. At least one was dragged off and chopped to pieces, according to Afghan and Western officials. The body was so badly mutilated that at first the military announced that it had found the remains of two men, not one, in a nearby field."
That's just one report of many coming from Afghanistan, which has been allowed to devolve into chaos.
Troops know it. News from the field makes its way through chow halls, and our men and women read it during the rare moments they get to check the internet. They know that the current course our military is on is not sustainable, and they're looking for a dramatic change. They've felt it for a long time, whether the media wants to acknowledge that or not.
I don't think this has as much to do with Obama and McCain as it does with continuing the current Bush course, or changing it. And our troops, who don't have a whole lot of money to give, are voting right now with their wallets.
So, do our troops hate the troops? No, of course not. Our troops love America, and that's the point.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/de...o_b_118987.html
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Hmmm... looks like the troops are smart enough to not want another Neo-con leader shooting from the hip... at their expense.
CO -- nice find...
Why do many veterans not support McCain?
He hasn't got a clue and he's a mean SOB...
Why do many veterans not support McCain?
He hasn't got a clue and he's a mean SOB...
How many contributed?
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Aug 14 2008, 02:47 PM) 
How many contributed?
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
That is not the point IH -- the point is of those who do -- of those who are willig and able to sacrifice from their limited incomes -- Obama is far and away the choice...
No one has said the majority of troops necessarily support Obama -- though I would hazard a guess that more do than you would think. I would say its probably 60-40 or maybe 55 -45 in favor of McCain.
QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Aug 14 2008, 03:32 PM)
Deployed Troops Donate to Obama 6-1 Over McCain
August 14, 2008 | 03:20 PM (EST)
"Why do the troops hate the troops?"
Honestly, after years of hearing that if you don't support the Bush military policy, you don't support the troops, you have to wonder what the neo-cons will do now. Today, a study by the Center for Responsive Politics reported that members of the military are giving more donations to Senator Obama than Senator McCain, and when you just examine those troops who are deployed, Obama attracts more donations by a 6 to 1 factor.
Troops, of course, aren't much different than most Americans, who overwhelmingly oppose the Bush military policy that John McCain would continue (the latest AP-Ipsos poll had 62 percent disapproving of the Bush policy). It's just that troops have a lot more personal experience on this particular issue. We know that those who served believe Iraq has overstreched the military, and for years that those who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan are solidly against the current policy.
Now, members of the military are speaking with their checkbooks, and reiterating just how strongly they believe we need to begin to redeploy from Iraq, and go on the offense against al Qaeda, which is making huge gains in Afghanistan.
And, yes, things are getting much worse in Afghanistan. The New York Times reports today, from Saydebad:
"Not far from here, just off the highway that was once the showpiece of the United States reconstruction effort in Afghanistan, three American soldiers and their Afghan interpreter were ambushed and killed seven weeks ago... The soldiers -- two of them members of the National Guard from New York -- died as their vehicles were hit by mines and rocket-propelled grenades. At least one was dragged off and chopped to pieces, according to Afghan and Western officials. The body was so badly mutilated that at first the military announced that it had found the remains of two men, not one, in a nearby field."
That's just one report of many coming from Afghanistan, which has been allowed to devolve into chaos.
Troops know it. News from the field makes its way through chow halls, and our men and women read it during the rare moments they get to check the internet. They know that the current course our military is on is not sustainable, and they're looking for a dramatic change. They've felt it for a long time, whether the media wants to acknowledge that or not.
I don't think this has as much to do with Obama and McCain as it does with continuing the current Bush course, or changing it. And our troops, who don't have a whole lot of money to give, are voting right now with their wallets.
So, do our troops hate the troops? No, of course not. Our troops love America, and that's the point.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/de...o_b_118987.html
August 14, 2008 | 03:20 PM (EST)
"Why do the troops hate the troops?"
Honestly, after years of hearing that if you don't support the Bush military policy, you don't support the troops, you have to wonder what the neo-cons will do now. Today, a study by the Center for Responsive Politics reported that members of the military are giving more donations to Senator Obama than Senator McCain, and when you just examine those troops who are deployed, Obama attracts more donations by a 6 to 1 factor.
Troops, of course, aren't much different than most Americans, who overwhelmingly oppose the Bush military policy that John McCain would continue (the latest AP-Ipsos poll had 62 percent disapproving of the Bush policy). It's just that troops have a lot more personal experience on this particular issue. We know that those who served believe Iraq has overstreched the military, and for years that those who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan are solidly against the current policy.
Now, members of the military are speaking with their checkbooks, and reiterating just how strongly they believe we need to begin to redeploy from Iraq, and go on the offense against al Qaeda, which is making huge gains in Afghanistan.
And, yes, things are getting much worse in Afghanistan. The New York Times reports today, from Saydebad:
"Not far from here, just off the highway that was once the showpiece of the United States reconstruction effort in Afghanistan, three American soldiers and their Afghan interpreter were ambushed and killed seven weeks ago... The soldiers -- two of them members of the National Guard from New York -- died as their vehicles were hit by mines and rocket-propelled grenades. At least one was dragged off and chopped to pieces, according to Afghan and Western officials. The body was so badly mutilated that at first the military announced that it had found the remains of two men, not one, in a nearby field."
That's just one report of many coming from Afghanistan, which has been allowed to devolve into chaos.
Troops know it. News from the field makes its way through chow halls, and our men and women read it during the rare moments they get to check the internet. They know that the current course our military is on is not sustainable, and they're looking for a dramatic change. They've felt it for a long time, whether the media wants to acknowledge that or not.
I don't think this has as much to do with Obama and McCain as it does with continuing the current Bush course, or changing it. And our troops, who don't have a whole lot of money to give, are voting right now with their wallets.
So, do our troops hate the troops? No, of course not. Our troops love America, and that's the point.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/de...o_b_118987.html
I don't doubt that the troops want to deploy from Iraq. I've not seen anything that convinces me they want to go to Afganistan instead.
Here you go IH...
Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
Published by Luke Rosiak on August 14, 2008 9:52 AM | Permalink | Comments (1)
During World War II, soldiers crouching in foxholes penned letters assuring their sweethearts that they'd be home soon. Now, between firefights in the Iraqi desert, some infantrymen have been sending a different kind of mail stateside: two or three hundred dollars -- or whatever they can spare -- towards a presidential election that could very well determine just how soon they come home.
According to an analysis of campaign contributions by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, Democrat Barack Obama has received nearly six times as much money from troops deployed overseas at the time of their contributions than has Republican John McCain, and the fiercely anti-war Ron Paul, though he suspended his campaign for the Republican nomination months ago, has received more than four times McCain's haul.
Despite McCain's status as a decorated veteran and a historically Republican bent among the military, members of the armed services overall -- whether stationed overseas or at home -- are also favoring Obama with their campaign contributions in 2008, by a $55,000 margin. Although 59 percent of federal contributions by military personnel has gone to Republicans this cycle, of money from the military to the presumed presidential nominees, 57 percent has gone to Obama.
Contributions from U.S. Troops Deployed Abroad Recipient Total Number
Obama, Barack $60,642 134
Paul, Ron $45,512 99
McCain, John $10,665 26
Huckabee, Mike $7,950 10
Thompson, Fred $6,350 7
Romney, Mitt $5,550 10
Clinton, Hillary $3,240 6
With the latest campaign finance filings, detailing June fundraising, McCain has overtaken Paul among all military donors, though Paul still leads with contributors listing an overseas address. Financial support from military personnel for anti-war candidates Obama and Paul is a trend that the Center for Responsive Politics first observed last September.
Individuals in the Air Force, Army, Navy and Marine Corps have all leaned Republican this cycle, but the only branch in which that ideology has carried over to the presidential race is the Marine Corps, where McCain leads Obama by about $4,000. In each of the other branches -- including the Navy, in which McCain served when he was taken prisoner during the Vietnam War -- Obama leads by significant margins.
"That's shocking. The academic debate is between some who say that junior enlisted ranks lean slightly Republican and some who say it's about equal, but no one would point to six-to-one" in Democrats' favor, said Aaron Belkin, a professor of political science at the University of California who studies the military. "That represents a tremendous shift from 2000, when the military vote almost certainly was decisive in Florida and elsewhere, and leaned heavily towards the Republicans."
In 2000, Republican George W. Bush outraised Democrat Al Gore among military personnel almost 2 to 1. In 2004, with the Iraq war underway, John Kerry closed the gap with President Bush, but Bush still raised $1.50 from the military for every $1 his Democratic opponent collected.
A former West Point professor, Jason Dempsey, noted that the small set of contributions from deployed troops at this point in 2008 -- just 323 donations -- should not be extrapolated to form conclusions about military personnel overall. "If, on a bad day, a guy gets that letter that says [his tour has been extended] from 12 to 15 months, that could spur a quick donation and expression of anger," he said. "Donating helps members of the military express their political views privately."
Seeing political activity of any sort among soldiers is notable, Dempsey added. "It's hard to describe how apolitical a lot of the enlisted ranks are. He's worried about other things than following the news."
Obama, who opposed the war in Iraq but was not in the Senate when it was authorized, has said that as president, he would withdraw most troops from Iraq within about 16 months. McCain, the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee and a staunch proponent of the Iraq war, has resisted setting a timeline for withdrawal.
CRP's totals based on employer are limited to donors contributing more than $200, since information is not provided to the Federal Election Commission for smaller contributions. So these figures are likely to disproportionately represent the mood of officers, who have more disposable income to spend on politics than do the lower ranks. But because young people tend to be more liberal than their elders, the total dollar figures could lean even more in Obama's favor.
"One possibly mundane explanation (for the tilt in contributions from deployed soldiers) is that the Obama campaign has just been so much savvier with web-based donors. It may be a logistical question," Belkin pointed out.
Army Specialist Jay Navas contributed $250 while deployed in Iraq, but it wasn't over the Internet. "It took some effort to get that check. I had my mom send me my checkbook and I walked to the post office in Camp Liberty in Baghdad with an envelope addressed to Barack Obama in Chicago, Illinois," he said. "He was right on Iraq long when others were jumping into the sea like lemmings, and that's hard to do. We're soldiers and we respect courage."
Only the Coast Guard prefers Democrats across the board, with 78 percent of employees' total federal contributions going to members of that party, and Obama beating McCain $7,795 to $250. Navas anecdotally confirmed that soldiers are often conservative but that many are making an exception in the presidential race. "Most of my friends are conservative Republicans and they say, 'I'm voting for Barack.' McCain does not have a lock on the military vote, that's for sure," he said. "We'll complete our duty -- I'm deploying next year -- because it's a commitment I made to the nation, not to a president. But we all know that Iraq was a big mistake."
The decisions of the U.S. government affect Navas more than most Americans, he said.
"What happens politically in America affects us immediately," he said. "As soon as the surge was ordered, my tour was extended, just by a pronouncement from the president. For very few Americans can the president say something and your lives are changed."
Contributions from All Military Personnel Recipient Total Number
Obama, Barack $335,536 859
McCain, John $280,513 558
Paul, Ron $232,411 537
Clinton, Hillary $167,050 376
Republican National Cmte $135,902 219
Huckabee, Mike $66,751 127
Thompson, Fred $46,400 93
Romney, Mitt $43,307 96
Giuliani, Rudolph W $22,050 47
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $21,885 26
DNC Services Corp $16,873 53
Based on contributions made during the 2008 election cycle through June 31, 2008.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/tr...ad-give-61.html
Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
Published by Luke Rosiak on August 14, 2008 9:52 AM | Permalink | Comments (1)
During World War II, soldiers crouching in foxholes penned letters assuring their sweethearts that they'd be home soon. Now, between firefights in the Iraqi desert, some infantrymen have been sending a different kind of mail stateside: two or three hundred dollars -- or whatever they can spare -- towards a presidential election that could very well determine just how soon they come home.
According to an analysis of campaign contributions by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, Democrat Barack Obama has received nearly six times as much money from troops deployed overseas at the time of their contributions than has Republican John McCain, and the fiercely anti-war Ron Paul, though he suspended his campaign for the Republican nomination months ago, has received more than four times McCain's haul.
Despite McCain's status as a decorated veteran and a historically Republican bent among the military, members of the armed services overall -- whether stationed overseas or at home -- are also favoring Obama with their campaign contributions in 2008, by a $55,000 margin. Although 59 percent of federal contributions by military personnel has gone to Republicans this cycle, of money from the military to the presumed presidential nominees, 57 percent has gone to Obama.
Contributions from U.S. Troops Deployed Abroad Recipient Total Number
Obama, Barack $60,642 134
Paul, Ron $45,512 99
McCain, John $10,665 26
Huckabee, Mike $7,950 10
Thompson, Fred $6,350 7
Romney, Mitt $5,550 10
Clinton, Hillary $3,240 6
With the latest campaign finance filings, detailing June fundraising, McCain has overtaken Paul among all military donors, though Paul still leads with contributors listing an overseas address. Financial support from military personnel for anti-war candidates Obama and Paul is a trend that the Center for Responsive Politics first observed last September.
Individuals in the Air Force, Army, Navy and Marine Corps have all leaned Republican this cycle, but the only branch in which that ideology has carried over to the presidential race is the Marine Corps, where McCain leads Obama by about $4,000. In each of the other branches -- including the Navy, in which McCain served when he was taken prisoner during the Vietnam War -- Obama leads by significant margins.
"That's shocking. The academic debate is between some who say that junior enlisted ranks lean slightly Republican and some who say it's about equal, but no one would point to six-to-one" in Democrats' favor, said Aaron Belkin, a professor of political science at the University of California who studies the military. "That represents a tremendous shift from 2000, when the military vote almost certainly was decisive in Florida and elsewhere, and leaned heavily towards the Republicans."
In 2000, Republican George W. Bush outraised Democrat Al Gore among military personnel almost 2 to 1. In 2004, with the Iraq war underway, John Kerry closed the gap with President Bush, but Bush still raised $1.50 from the military for every $1 his Democratic opponent collected.
A former West Point professor, Jason Dempsey, noted that the small set of contributions from deployed troops at this point in 2008 -- just 323 donations -- should not be extrapolated to form conclusions about military personnel overall. "If, on a bad day, a guy gets that letter that says [his tour has been extended] from 12 to 15 months, that could spur a quick donation and expression of anger," he said. "Donating helps members of the military express their political views privately."
Seeing political activity of any sort among soldiers is notable, Dempsey added. "It's hard to describe how apolitical a lot of the enlisted ranks are. He's worried about other things than following the news."
Obama, who opposed the war in Iraq but was not in the Senate when it was authorized, has said that as president, he would withdraw most troops from Iraq within about 16 months. McCain, the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee and a staunch proponent of the Iraq war, has resisted setting a timeline for withdrawal.
CRP's totals based on employer are limited to donors contributing more than $200, since information is not provided to the Federal Election Commission for smaller contributions. So these figures are likely to disproportionately represent the mood of officers, who have more disposable income to spend on politics than do the lower ranks. But because young people tend to be more liberal than their elders, the total dollar figures could lean even more in Obama's favor.
"One possibly mundane explanation (for the tilt in contributions from deployed soldiers) is that the Obama campaign has just been so much savvier with web-based donors. It may be a logistical question," Belkin pointed out.
Army Specialist Jay Navas contributed $250 while deployed in Iraq, but it wasn't over the Internet. "It took some effort to get that check. I had my mom send me my checkbook and I walked to the post office in Camp Liberty in Baghdad with an envelope addressed to Barack Obama in Chicago, Illinois," he said. "He was right on Iraq long when others were jumping into the sea like lemmings, and that's hard to do. We're soldiers and we respect courage."
Only the Coast Guard prefers Democrats across the board, with 78 percent of employees' total federal contributions going to members of that party, and Obama beating McCain $7,795 to $250. Navas anecdotally confirmed that soldiers are often conservative but that many are making an exception in the presidential race. "Most of my friends are conservative Republicans and they say, 'I'm voting for Barack.' McCain does not have a lock on the military vote, that's for sure," he said. "We'll complete our duty -- I'm deploying next year -- because it's a commitment I made to the nation, not to a president. But we all know that Iraq was a big mistake."
The decisions of the U.S. government affect Navas more than most Americans, he said.
"What happens politically in America affects us immediately," he said. "As soon as the surge was ordered, my tour was extended, just by a pronouncement from the president. For very few Americans can the president say something and your lives are changed."
Contributions from All Military Personnel Recipient Total Number
Obama, Barack $335,536 859
McCain, John $280,513 558
Paul, Ron $232,411 537
Clinton, Hillary $167,050 376
Republican National Cmte $135,902 219
Huckabee, Mike $66,751 127
Thompson, Fred $46,400 93
Romney, Mitt $43,307 96
Giuliani, Rudolph W $22,050 47
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $21,885 26
DNC Services Corp $16,873 53
Based on contributions made during the 2008 election cycle through June 31, 2008.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/tr...ad-give-61.html
And note the total is 229 to 53 for getting out of Iraq to staying in Iraq...the Bush McCain way...
This one line echoes what I hear from relatives and friends in Iraq or Afghanistan in CO's post.. but it seems to be the discourse over Iraq. They are not anti-military anymore than they are anti-troop.
They would vote for anyone that would bring the Iraq war to an end, keeping in mind that they were donating most heavily to Ron Paul until he pulled out of the race. So, it's not about what party or the allure of one candidate over the other - and that also, this article was based on the donations of 134 people - total. Not a huge sampling.
QUOTE
I don't think this has as much to do with Obama and McCain as it does with continuing the current Bush course, or changing it.
They would vote for anyone that would bring the Iraq war to an end, keeping in mind that they were donating most heavily to Ron Paul until he pulled out of the race. So, it's not about what party or the allure of one candidate over the other - and that also, this article was based on the donations of 134 people - total. Not a huge sampling.
QUOTE(Terra @ Aug 14 2008, 02:56 PM)
This one line echoes what I hear from relatives and friends in Iraq or Afghanistan in CO's post.. but it seems to be the discourse over Iraq. They are not anti-military anymore than they are anti-troop.
They would vote for anyone that would bring the Iraq war to an end, keeping in mind that they were donating most heavily to Ron Paul until he pulled out of the race. So, it's not about what party or the allure of one candidate over the other - and that also, this article was based on the donations of 134 people - total. Not a huge sampling.
QUOTE
I don't think this has as much to do with Obama and McCain as it does with continuing the current Bush course, or changing it.
They would vote for anyone that would bring the Iraq war to an end, keeping in mind that they were donating most heavily to Ron Paul until he pulled out of the race. So, it's not about what party or the allure of one candidate over the other - and that also, this article was based on the donations of 134 people - total. Not a huge sampling.
Actually 282 total contributors, but that is all that have contributed which is why I say this does not show the military necessarily favors Obama because of this, but just that those who see this election as important enough for them to contrbute are giving to Iraq withdrawal timetable candidates and not McCain/Bush continue to the war until ??? candidates...
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Aug 14 2008, 01:59 PM)
QUOTE(Terra @ Aug 14 2008, 02:56 PM)
This one line echoes what I hear from relatives and friends in Iraq or Afghanistan in CO's post.. but it seems to be the discourse over Iraq. They are not anti-military anymore than they are anti-troop.
They would vote for anyone that would bring the Iraq war to an end, keeping in mind that they were donating most heavily to Ron Paul until he pulled out of the race. So, it's not about what party or the allure of one candidate over the other - and that also, this article was based on the donations of 134 people - total. Not a huge sampling.
QUOTE
I don't think this has as much to do with Obama and McCain as it does with continuing the current Bush course, or changing it.
They would vote for anyone that would bring the Iraq war to an end, keeping in mind that they were donating most heavily to Ron Paul until he pulled out of the race. So, it's not about what party or the allure of one candidate over the other - and that also, this article was based on the donations of 134 people - total. Not a huge sampling.
Actually 282 total contributors, but that is all that have contributed which is why I say this does not show the military necessarily favors Obama because of this, but just that those who see this election as important enough for them to contrbute are giving to Iraq withdrawal timetable candidates and not McCain/Bush continue to the war until ??? candidates...
To be fair - and I don't have the information at my fingertips anymore - Many more than 282 donated to Ron Paul. I'm not sure where they are even pulling this selective 282 number from..
(I'm sure one of the Paul folks that kept up on these things would still know)
Actually there is a good article here about the troops and their donations ... but there was one comment that held some truth to me.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/tr...ad-give-61.html
Can you verify the source of this information? I tried to search the FEC database and was unable to find much.
I also have grave misgiving that 134 G.I.s gave an average of $452. I certainly couldn't donate that amount even as a E-9.
Contributions from All Military Personnel
Recipient Total Number
Obama, Barack $335,536 859
McCain, John $280,513 558
Paul, Ron $232,411 537
Clinton, Hillary $167,050 376
Republican National Cmte $135,902 219
Huckabee, Mike $66,751 127
Thompson, Fred $46,400 93
Romney, Mitt $43,307 96
Giuliani, Rudolph W $22,050 47
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $21,885 26
DNC Services Corp $16,873 53
Based on contributions made during the 2008 election cycle through June 31, 2008.
Contributions from U.S. Troops Deployed Abroad
Obama, Barack $60,642 134
Paul, Ron $45,512 99
McCain, John $10,665 26
Huckabee, Mike $7,950 10
Thompson, Fred $6,350 7
Romney, Mitt $5,550 10
Clinton, Hillary $3,240 6
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/tr...ad-give-61.html
Can you verify the source of this information? I tried to search the FEC database and was unable to find much.
I also have grave misgiving that 134 G.I.s gave an average of $452. I certainly couldn't donate that amount even as a E-9.
Contributions from All Military Personnel
Recipient Total Number
Obama, Barack $335,536 859
McCain, John $280,513 558
Paul, Ron $232,411 537
Clinton, Hillary $167,050 376
Republican National Cmte $135,902 219
Huckabee, Mike $66,751 127
Thompson, Fred $46,400 93
Romney, Mitt $43,307 96
Giuliani, Rudolph W $22,050 47
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $21,885 26
DNC Services Corp $16,873 53
Based on contributions made during the 2008 election cycle through June 31, 2008.
Contributions from U.S. Troops Deployed Abroad
Obama, Barack $60,642 134
Paul, Ron $45,512 99
McCain, John $10,665 26
Huckabee, Mike $7,950 10
Thompson, Fred $6,350 7
Romney, Mitt $5,550 10
Clinton, Hillary $3,240 6
People in 2008 (not those stuck in the 60s 70s 80s like the Clinton's),
who hump a clik all support Obama.
Because bands of brothers know brothers and all troops who support Obama are brothers, black and white.
Because the troops today have a better knowledge of the world, and know what is
a better candidate. Less of that naive feelings today
who hump a clik all support Obama.
Because bands of brothers know brothers and all troops who support Obama are brothers, black and white.
Because the troops today have a better knowledge of the world, and know what is
a better candidate. Less of that naive feelings today
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 14 2008, 02:59 PM)
People in 2008 (not those stuck in the 60s 70s 80s like the Clinton's),
who hump a clik all support Obama.
Because bands of brothers know brothers and all troops who support Obama are brothers, black and white.
Because the troops today have a better knowledge of the world, and know what is
a better candidate. Less of that naive feelings today
who hump a clik all support Obama.
Because bands of brothers know brothers and all troops who support Obama are brothers, black and white.
Because the troops today have a better knowledge of the world, and know what is
a better candidate. Less of that naive feelings today
Your source?
this article. 6 to 1
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Aug 14 2008, 03:47 PM)
How many contributed?
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
Well I find this claim to be amazing.
During my recent hurricane deployment we had various live feeds into the EOC, one of which was CNN. They broke into the hurricane coverage with Obama giving his press conference in France; the 30 to 40 Iraqi War veterans in the room went silent then roundly booed him.
QUOTE(Terra @ Aug 14 2008, 06:05 PM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 14 2008, 02:59 PM)
People in 2008 (not those stuck in the 60s 70s 80s like the Clinton's),
who hump a clik all support Obama.
Because bands of brothers know brothers and all troops who support Obama are brothers, black and white.
Because the troops today have a better knowledge of the world, and know what is
a better candidate. Less of that naive feelings today
who hump a clik all support Obama.
Because bands of brothers know brothers and all troops who support Obama are brothers, black and white.
Because the troops today have a better knowledge of the world, and know what is
a better candidate. Less of that naive feelings today
Your source?
Where have you been? Everyone here knows G4A's source.
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 10:53 PM)
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Aug 14 2008, 03:47 PM)
How many contributed?
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
Well I find this claim to be amazing.
During my recent hurricane deployment we had various live feeds into the EOC, one of which was CNN. They broke into the hurricane coverage with Obama giving his press conference in France; the 30 to 40 Iraqi War veterans in the room went silent then roundly booed him.
why were you watching TV?
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 14 2008, 10:10 PM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 10:53 PM)
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Aug 14 2008, 03:47 PM)
How many contributed?
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
Well I find this claim to be amazing.
During my recent hurricane deployment we had various live feeds into the EOC, one of which was CNN. They broke into the hurricane coverage with Obama giving his press conference in France; the 30 to 40 Iraqi War veterans in the room went silent then roundly booed him.
why were you watching TV?
Apparently you know not the first thing about what goes on in an EOC Graham. I had five live satelite feeds up one of which was the feed from CNN the others were live pictures from an Air Force reconisance aircraft bounced up to the satelite and then down to us so we could see where flooding was the worst, two were status boards being real time updated I was bouncing out to the satelite so comanders in the field knew what's coming their way and the last one was involved with a video conference by the TAC down in the Valley. That's what was up when Obama disrupted the EOC with his political crap. I killed his feed after about twenty seconds and switched it to a static camera located at Pan American University where Soldiers were distributing food and water to evacuees. Then everyone was happy again.
McCain hates the Russians. Are you ready to attack Russia?
I know people in the military, and the majority of troops are quite conservative. I suppose it is possible that Obama is raising more money from military sources, but when it comes time to vote, McCain will carry that vote by a wide margin.
QUOTE(Terra @ Aug 14 2008, 03:56 PM)
I don't think this has as much to do with Obama and McCain as it does with continuing the current Bush course, or changing it.
I would agree with this.
QUOTE
I know people in the military, and the majority of troops are quite conservative. I suppose it is possible that Obama is raising more money from military sources, but when it comes time to vote, McCain will carry that vote by a wide margin.
This has been true historically.
QUOTE(david sobien @ Aug 14 2008, 11:34 PM)
McCain hates the Russians. Are you ready to attack Russia?
He's certainly not happy with their leadership. Nor am I.
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 11:26 PM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 14 2008, 10:10 PM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 10:53 PM)
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Aug 14 2008, 03:47 PM)
How many contributed?
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
Well I find this claim to be amazing.
During my recent hurricane deployment we had various live feeds into the EOC, one of which was CNN. They broke into the hurricane coverage with Obama giving his press conference in France; the 30 to 40 Iraqi War veterans in the room went silent then roundly booed him.
why were you watching TV?
Apparently you know not the first thing about what goes on in an EOC Graham. I had five live satelite feeds up one of which was the feed from CNN the others were live pictures from an Air Force reconisance aircraft bounced up to the satelite and then down to us so we could see where flooding was the worst, two were status boards being real time updated I was bouncing out to the satelite so comanders in the field knew what's coming their way and the last one was involved with a video conference by the TAC down in the Valley. That's what was up when Obama disrupted the EOC with his political crap. I killed his feed after about twenty seconds and switched it to a static camera located at Pan American University where Soldiers were distributing food and water to evacuees. Then everyone was happy again.
so it just might be that anyone who came on the screen at precisely that second would have been booed, because
it interupted the important work they were doing.
That you claim it was Obama is just besides the point.
It could have been Bush or McCain or Paris Hilton.
They still would have been booed.
(well, unless Paris was wearing something sexy at which point all work would have stopped and the whistles would
have started).
So you are using a phony argument here and just using it to berate Obama.
Oldest trick in the book. From Page 2 in the manual, paragraph 3 as I recall.
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 05:39 AM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 11:26 PM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 14 2008, 10:10 PM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 10:53 PM)
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Aug 14 2008, 03:47 PM)
How many contributed?
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
Well I find this claim to be amazing.
During my recent hurricane deployment we had various live feeds into the EOC, one of which was CNN. They broke into the hurricane coverage with Obama giving his press conference in France; the 30 to 40 Iraqi War veterans in the room went silent then roundly booed him.
why were you watching TV?
Apparently you know not the first thing about what goes on in an EOC Graham. I had five live satelite feeds up one of which was the feed from CNN the others were live pictures from an Air Force reconisance aircraft bounced up to the satelite and then down to us so we could see where flooding was the worst, two were status boards being real time updated I was bouncing out to the satelite so comanders in the field knew what's coming their way and the last one was involved with a video conference by the TAC down in the Valley. That's what was up when Obama disrupted the EOC with his political crap. I killed his feed after about twenty seconds and switched it to a static camera located at Pan American University where Soldiers were distributing food and water to evacuees. Then everyone was happy again.
so it just might be that anyone who came on the screen at precisely that second would have been booed, because
it interupted the important work they were doing.
That you claim it was Obama is just besides the point.
It could have been Bush or McCain or Paris Hilton.
They still would have been booed.
(well, unless Paris was wearing something sexy at which point all work would have stopped and the whistles would
have started).
So you are using a phony argument here and just using it to berate Obama.
Oldest trick in the book. From Page 2 in the manual, paragraph 3 as I recall.
Well, you just keep believing that G4A. I guess that explains the cat calls too like "What's that creep up to now?" and "He ain't the president, just who does he think he is?"
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 15 2008, 10:43 AM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 05:39 AM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 11:26 PM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 14 2008, 10:10 PM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 10:53 PM)
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Aug 14 2008, 03:47 PM)
How many contributed?
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
Well I find this claim to be amazing.
During my recent hurricane deployment we had various live feeds into the EOC, one of which was CNN. They broke into the hurricane coverage with Obama giving his press conference in France; the 30 to 40 Iraqi War veterans in the room went silent then roundly booed him.
why were you watching TV?
Apparently you know not the first thing about what goes on in an EOC Graham. I had five live satelite feeds up one of which was the feed from CNN the others were live pictures from an Air Force reconisance aircraft bounced up to the satelite and then down to us so we could see where flooding was the worst, two were status boards being real time updated I was bouncing out to the satelite so comanders in the field knew what's coming their way and the last one was involved with a video conference by the TAC down in the Valley. That's what was up when Obama disrupted the EOC with his political crap. I killed his feed after about twenty seconds and switched it to a static camera located at Pan American University where Soldiers were distributing food and water to evacuees. Then everyone was happy again.
so it just might be that anyone who came on the screen at precisely that second would have been booed, because
it interupted the important work they were doing.
That you claim it was Obama is just besides the point.
It could have been Bush or McCain or Paris Hilton.
They still would have been booed.
(well, unless Paris was wearing something sexy at which point all work would have stopped and the whistles would
have started).
So you are using a phony argument here and just using it to berate Obama.
Oldest trick in the book. From Page 2 in the manual, paragraph 3 as I recall.
Well, you just keep believing that G4A. I guess that explains the cat calls too like "What's that creep up to now?" and "He ain't the president, just who does he think he is?"
SAME thing would have been said to traitor McCain if his old aged decreped face showed up on tv at that moment
You were suppose to working, not playing politics or lazing off watching tv
Yep, ignore these facts. The retired Admirals and Generals still support McCain. Its just the grunts who don't. Why worry about them .. after all they are just the ones getting killed.
AP
Military donations favor Obama over McCain
Thursday August 14, 6:31 pm ET
Troops donate more campaign money to Obama than McCain, despite McCain's military record
WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor GOP White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday.
Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.
The results also are striking because they favored Obama, who never has served in the military. McCain meanwhile, is a decorated war veteran who spent nearly five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The Arizona senator graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and had a 22-year career as a naval aviator.
Obama has opposed the war in Iraq and says he would withdraw combat troops within 16 months. McCain has been a steadfast supporter of the war, saying he would withdraw the troops only when conditions on the ground warrant it.
"Obama will work tirelessly to uphold this nation's sacred trust with its veterans, to ensure they are not forgotten after they return home and he will provide our troops with the leadership they deserve, as well as the support they and their families need," Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said.
McCain's campaign played down the significance of the donations.
"John McCain has been endorsed by more retired admirals and generals than Barack Obama has military donors," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a statement.
"We feel confident that many U.S. troops stationed overseas will support John McCain in the election this fall, but we suspect most are too busy doing the important work of defending this country than to make political contributions," Goldfarb said.
The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Obama. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.
Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/military_donations.html?.v=1
AP
Military donations favor Obama over McCain
Thursday August 14, 6:31 pm ET
Troops donate more campaign money to Obama than McCain, despite McCain's military record
WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor GOP White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday.
Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.
The results also are striking because they favored Obama, who never has served in the military. McCain meanwhile, is a decorated war veteran who spent nearly five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The Arizona senator graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and had a 22-year career as a naval aviator.
Obama has opposed the war in Iraq and says he would withdraw combat troops within 16 months. McCain has been a steadfast supporter of the war, saying he would withdraw the troops only when conditions on the ground warrant it.
"Obama will work tirelessly to uphold this nation's sacred trust with its veterans, to ensure they are not forgotten after they return home and he will provide our troops with the leadership they deserve, as well as the support they and their families need," Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said.
McCain's campaign played down the significance of the donations.
"John McCain has been endorsed by more retired admirals and generals than Barack Obama has military donors," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a statement.
"We feel confident that many U.S. troops stationed overseas will support John McCain in the election this fall, but we suspect most are too busy doing the important work of defending this country than to make political contributions," Goldfarb said.
The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Obama. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.
Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/military_donations.html?.v=1
QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Aug 15 2008, 09:49 AM)
Yep, ignore these facts. The retired Admirals and Generals still support McCain. Its just the grunts who don't. Why worry about them .. after all they are just the ones getting killed.
AP
Military donations favor Obama over McCain
Thursday August 14, 6:31 pm ET
Troops donate more campaign money to Obama than McCain, despite McCain's military record
WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor GOP White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday.
Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.
The results also are striking because they favored Obama, who never has served in the military. McCain meanwhile, is a decorated war veteran who spent nearly five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The Arizona senator graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and had a 22-year career as a naval aviator.
Obama has opposed the war in Iraq and says he would withdraw combat troops within 16 months. McCain has been a steadfast supporter of the war, saying he would withdraw the troops only when conditions on the ground warrant it.
"Obama will work tirelessly to uphold this nation's sacred trust with its veterans, to ensure they are not forgotten after they return home and he will provide our troops with the leadership they deserve, as well as the support they and their families need," Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said.
McCain's campaign played down the significance of the donations.
"John McCain has been endorsed by more retired admirals and generals than Barack Obama has military donors," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a statement.
"We feel confident that many U.S. troops stationed overseas will support John McCain in the election this fall, but we suspect most are too busy doing the important work of defending this country than to make political contributions," Goldfarb said.
The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Obama. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.
Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/military_donations.html?.v=1
AP
Military donations favor Obama over McCain
Thursday August 14, 6:31 pm ET
Troops donate more campaign money to Obama than McCain, despite McCain's military record
WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor GOP White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday.
Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.
The results also are striking because they favored Obama, who never has served in the military. McCain meanwhile, is a decorated war veteran who spent nearly five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The Arizona senator graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and had a 22-year career as a naval aviator.
Obama has opposed the war in Iraq and says he would withdraw combat troops within 16 months. McCain has been a steadfast supporter of the war, saying he would withdraw the troops only when conditions on the ground warrant it.
"Obama will work tirelessly to uphold this nation's sacred trust with its veterans, to ensure they are not forgotten after they return home and he will provide our troops with the leadership they deserve, as well as the support they and their families need," Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said.
McCain's campaign played down the significance of the donations.
"John McCain has been endorsed by more retired admirals and generals than Barack Obama has military donors," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a statement.
"We feel confident that many U.S. troops stationed overseas will support John McCain in the election this fall, but we suspect most are too busy doing the important work of defending this country than to make political contributions," Goldfarb said.
The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Obama. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.
Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/military_donations.html?.v=1
Well, most folks in the military don't contribute money to any politician cause we just don't have that kind of money to waste. 30 years in the Marine Corps and I made one political donation and that was to the democratic candidate for Lt. Governor of Texas in 1994. I sent him a hundred bucks and he must a really appreciated it cause I got a personal invitation to sit on the stage at his inauguration ceremony as long as I'd be in uniform. I guess the democrats thought it sort a special that somebody in the military would send them some money, eh? The count of only about 1500 military folksgiving away money out of about 3 million total sort of confirms that.
I hope you people keep deluding yourselves for about another three months.
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 09:45 AM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 15 2008, 10:43 AM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 05:39 AM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 11:26 PM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 14 2008, 10:10 PM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 10:53 PM)
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Aug 14 2008, 03:47 PM)
How many contributed?
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
Well I find this claim to be amazing.
During my recent hurricane deployment we had various live feeds into the EOC, one of which was CNN. They broke into the hurricane coverage with Obama giving his press conference in France; the 30 to 40 Iraqi War veterans in the room went silent then roundly booed him.
why were you watching TV?
Apparently you know not the first thing about what goes on in an EOC Graham. I had five live satelite feeds up one of which was the feed from CNN the others were live pictures from an Air Force reconisance aircraft bounced up to the satelite and then down to us so we could see where flooding was the worst, two were status boards being real time updated I was bouncing out to the satelite so comanders in the field knew what's coming their way and the last one was involved with a video conference by the TAC down in the Valley. That's what was up when Obama disrupted the EOC with his political crap. I killed his feed after about twenty seconds and switched it to a static camera located at Pan American University where Soldiers were distributing food and water to evacuees. Then everyone was happy again.
so it just might be that anyone who came on the screen at precisely that second would have been booed, because
it interupted the important work they were doing.
That you claim it was Obama is just besides the point.
It could have been Bush or McCain or Paris Hilton.
They still would have been booed.
(well, unless Paris was wearing something sexy at which point all work would have stopped and the whistles would
have started).
So you are using a phony argument here and just using it to berate Obama.
Oldest trick in the book. From Page 2 in the manual, paragraph 3 as I recall.
Well, you just keep believing that G4A. I guess that explains the cat calls too like "What's that creep up to now?" and "He ain't the president, just who does he think he is?"
SAME thing would have been said to traitor McCain if his old aged decreped face showed up on tv at that moment
You were suppose to working, not playing politics or lazing off watching tv
McCain would be really pissed off if he knew one of his campaign workers was talking about him like that G4A, You ought to not use that kind a language around the campaign office. Feel free to grumble it while you're out putting up McCain yard signs though.
QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Aug 15 2008, 09:49 AM)
Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said.[/b]
Those numbers are minuscule. Clearly the VAST majority of soldier aren't donating. The numbers are so small, in fact, as to be meaningless, considering that we have around 150,000 troops in Iraq alone.
QUOTE(dggfwtx @ Aug 15 2008, 10:10 AM)
QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Aug 15 2008, 09:49 AM)
Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said.[/b]
Those numbers are minuscule. Clearly the VAST majority of soldier aren't donating. The numbers are so small, in fact, as to be meaningless, considering that we have around 150,000 troops in Iraq alone.
Well, if these people think the military is ga-ga over Obama like their are they are more deluded than I had realized.
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 15 2008, 09:43 AM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 05:39 AM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 11:26 PM)
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 14 2008, 10:10 PM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 10:53 PM)
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Aug 14 2008, 03:47 PM)
How many contributed?
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
Well I find this claim to be amazing.
During my recent hurricane deployment we had various live feeds into the EOC, one of which was CNN. They broke into the hurricane coverage with Obama giving his press conference in France; the 30 to 40 Iraqi War veterans in the room went silent then roundly booed him.
why were you watching TV?
Apparently you know not the first thing about what goes on in an EOC Graham. I had five live satelite feeds up one of which was the feed from CNN the others were live pictures from an Air Force reconisance aircraft bounced up to the satelite and then down to us so we could see where flooding was the worst, two were status boards being real time updated I was bouncing out to the satelite so comanders in the field knew what's coming their way and the last one was involved with a video conference by the TAC down in the Valley. That's what was up when Obama disrupted the EOC with his political crap. I killed his feed after about twenty seconds and switched it to a static camera located at Pan American University where Soldiers were distributing food and water to evacuees. Then everyone was happy again.
so it just might be that anyone who came on the screen at precisely that second would have been booed, because
it interupted the important work they were doing.
That you claim it was Obama is just besides the point.
It could have been Bush or McCain or Paris Hilton.
They still would have been booed.
(well, unless Paris was wearing something sexy at which point all work would have stopped and the whistles would
have started).
So you are using a phony argument here and just using it to berate Obama.
Oldest trick in the book. From Page 2 in the manual, paragraph 3 as I recall.
Well, you just keep believing that G4A. I guess that explains the cat calls too like "What's that creep up to now?" and "He ain't the president, just who does he think he is?"
Give it up Top!
In addition to speaking for Black America and being privy to the machinations of the Bush/Clinton cabal;
Graham is also an expert on the military!
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 15 2008, 11:03 AM)
QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Aug 15 2008, 09:49 AM)
Yep, ignore these facts. The retired Admirals and Generals still support McCain. Its just the grunts who don't. Why worry about them .. after all they are just the ones getting killed.
AP
Military donations favor Obama over McCain
Thursday August 14, 6:31 pm ET
Troops donate more campaign money to Obama than McCain, despite McCain's military record
WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor GOP White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday.
Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.
The results also are striking because they favored Obama, who never has served in the military. McCain meanwhile, is a decorated war veteran who spent nearly five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The Arizona senator graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and had a 22-year career as a naval aviator.
Obama has opposed the war in Iraq and says he would withdraw combat troops within 16 months. McCain has been a steadfast supporter of the war, saying he would withdraw the troops only when conditions on the ground warrant it.
"Obama will work tirelessly to uphold this nation's sacred trust with its veterans, to ensure they are not forgotten after they return home and he will provide our troops with the leadership they deserve, as well as the support they and their families need," Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said.
McCain's campaign played down the significance of the donations.
"John McCain has been endorsed by more retired admirals and generals than Barack Obama has military donors," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a statement.
"We feel confident that many U.S. troops stationed overseas will support John McCain in the election this fall, but we suspect most are too busy doing the important work of defending this country than to make political contributions," Goldfarb said.
The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Obama. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.
Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/military_donations.html?.v=1
AP
Military donations favor Obama over McCain
Thursday August 14, 6:31 pm ET
Troops donate more campaign money to Obama than McCain, despite McCain's military record
WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor GOP White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday.
Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.
The results also are striking because they favored Obama, who never has served in the military. McCain meanwhile, is a decorated war veteran who spent nearly five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The Arizona senator graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and had a 22-year career as a naval aviator.
Obama has opposed the war in Iraq and says he would withdraw combat troops within 16 months. McCain has been a steadfast supporter of the war, saying he would withdraw the troops only when conditions on the ground warrant it.
"Obama will work tirelessly to uphold this nation's sacred trust with its veterans, to ensure they are not forgotten after they return home and he will provide our troops with the leadership they deserve, as well as the support they and their families need," Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said.
McCain's campaign played down the significance of the donations.
"John McCain has been endorsed by more retired admirals and generals than Barack Obama has military donors," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a statement.
"We feel confident that many U.S. troops stationed overseas will support John McCain in the election this fall, but we suspect most are too busy doing the important work of defending this country than to make political contributions," Goldfarb said.
The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Obama. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.
Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/military_donations.html?.v=1
Well, most folks in the military don't contribute money to any politician cause we just don't have that kind of money to waste. 30 years in the Marine Corps and I made one political donation and that was to the democratic candidate for Lt. Governor of Texas in 1994. I sent him a hundred bucks and he must a really appreciated it cause I got a personal invitation to sit on the stage at his inauguration ceremony as long as I'd be in uniform. I guess the democrats thought it sort a special that somebody in the military would send them some money, eh? The count of only about 1500 military folksgiving away money out of about 3 million total sort of confirms that.
I hope you people keep deluding yourselves for about another three months.
I don't think anyone is saying the military is going to vote overwhelmingly for Obama Marine. The fact that some are donating despite the fact they really don't have a lot of spare money or time to even pay attention to an election campaign is simply an interesting fact. And the fact that those who are doing so seem to prefer Obama to McCain . I think its telling that the majority of those in the military and on the firing line who do take the time make a choice which differs from a lot of old vets sitting at computers spewing venom..but then they have a lot more invested at this time in history don't they, ... who do they choose, a war monger or an advocate of intelligent diplomacy and war only as a last resort. Good lord, that war monger doesn't even to seem to realize that the US has invaded two countries since this century began. He lectures Russia saying no one should be invading countries in the 21st century. Hello!! Where has he been ???
QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Aug 15 2008, 04:46 PM)
[ I don't think anyone is saying the military is going to vote overwhelmingly for Obama Marine. The fact that some are donating despite the fact they really don't have a lot of spare money or time to even pay attention to an election campaign is simply an interesting fact. And the fact that those who are doing so seem to prefer Obama to McCain . I think its telling that the majority of those in the military and on the firing line who do take the time make a choice which differs from a lot of old vets sitting at computers spewing venom..but then they have a lot more invested at this time in history don't they, ... who do they choose, a war monger or an advocate of intelligent diplomacy and war only as a last resort. Good lord, that war monger doesn't even to seem to realize that the US has invaded two countries since this century began. He lectures Russia saying no one should be invading countries in the 21st century. Hello!! Where has he been ???
Well my new military id now says active instead of retired and I can assure you amongst the Guard, the very people y'all think would care the most to get Obama elected, Obama is persona non gratia with just about every Soldier and Airman I've come into contact with.
And this thread and this story is in existence soley for the reason to try to hoodwink folks into believing the military wants Obama elected. I don't find this at all unusual for Obama though, his whole persona is based on hucksterism so why should we expect anything except his regular flim flam routine?
The Center for Responsive Politics (CRP) is a nonpartisan research group based in Washington, D.C. that tracks money in politics, and the effect of money on elections and public policy.[1] Founded in 1983, the nonprofit Center aims to create a more educated voter, an involved citizenry and a more responsive government. CRP’s website OpenSecrets.org has won four Webby Awards (2001, 2002, 2006, 2007) for being the best politics site online. Support for CRP comes from a combination of foundation grants and individual contributions. The Center accepts no contributions from businesses, trade associations or labor unions.
OpenSecrets.org is the online incarnation of a project the Center launched on paper in the 1980s. OpenSecrets.org provides freely available, databases to track federal campaign contributions and lobbying in a variety of ways, such as by industry and interest group. Other popular resources include the personal financial disclosures of every member of Congress, the President and top members of the administration. Users can also search their own ZIP codes to learn how their neighbors are distributing their political contributions.
Sheila Krumholz has been the Center's executive director since December 2006, having served for eight years as CRP’s Research Director. She first joined the CRP staff in 1989 and was assistant editor of the very first edition of the printed volume of Open Secrets.
Funding
"Support for the Center comes from a combination of foundation grants and individual contributions. The Center accepts no contributions from businesses or labor unions."[2]
Major Funders
The Ford Foundation (currently under a three year grant of $1,000,000)
The Pew Charitable Trusts (currently under a two year grant of $550,000)
The Carnegie Corporation (currently under a three year grant of $450,000)
The Joyce Foundation (currently under a two-year grant of $350,000)
OpenSecrets.org is the online incarnation of a project the Center launched on paper in the 1980s. OpenSecrets.org provides freely available, databases to track federal campaign contributions and lobbying in a variety of ways, such as by industry and interest group. Other popular resources include the personal financial disclosures of every member of Congress, the President and top members of the administration. Users can also search their own ZIP codes to learn how their neighbors are distributing their political contributions.
Sheila Krumholz has been the Center's executive director since December 2006, having served for eight years as CRP’s Research Director. She first joined the CRP staff in 1989 and was assistant editor of the very first edition of the printed volume of Open Secrets.
Funding
"Support for the Center comes from a combination of foundation grants and individual contributions. The Center accepts no contributions from businesses or labor unions."[2]
Major Funders
The Ford Foundation (currently under a three year grant of $1,000,000)
The Pew Charitable Trusts (currently under a two year grant of $550,000)
The Carnegie Corporation (currently under a three year grant of $450,000)
The Joyce Foundation (currently under a two-year grant of $350,000)
I'm not doubting the accuracy of their numbers, CO. Just saying that those numbers are so small as to be virtually meaningless.
I read the source of this story as "The Huffinton Post" and the person posting it here as Concerned Observer.
I presume the folks who place this story to be willing participants in an effort to perpetrate a scam and approve of Obama's flim flam tactics.
In 2004 the democratic party should have taken the presidency and had they run just about anyone but who they did they would have succeeded. Apparently y'all have trouble learning from your mistakes cause in 2008 the party nominee is an inexperienced nobody whose only asset is he's a great fraud.
I presume the folks who place this story to be willing participants in an effort to perpetrate a scam and approve of Obama's flim flam tactics.
In 2004 the democratic party should have taken the presidency and had they run just about anyone but who they did they would have succeeded. Apparently y'all have trouble learning from your mistakes cause in 2008 the party nominee is an inexperienced nobody whose only asset is he's a great fraud.
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 15 2008, 11:29 PM)
I read the source of this story as "The Huffinton Post" and the person posting it here as Concerned Observer.
I presume the folks who place this story to be willing participants in an effort to perpetrate a scam and approve of Obama's flim flam tactics.
In 2004 the democratic party should have taken the presidency and had they run just about anyone but who they did they would have succeeded. Apparently y'all have trouble learning from your mistakes cause in 2008 the party nominee is an inexperienced nobody whose only asset is he's a great fraud.
I presume the folks who place this story to be willing participants in an effort to perpetrate a scam and approve of Obama's flim flam tactics.
In 2004 the democratic party should have taken the presidency and had they run just about anyone but who they did they would have succeeded. Apparently y'all have trouble learning from your mistakes cause in 2008 the party nominee is an inexperienced nobody whose only asset is he's a great fraud.
Yep.. I posted it but check around. Its on every media site on the web. Including all major media sites
You are a great one to criticize Marine.. you post vast quantities of Right Wing garbage here on a daily basis, and usually unsourced. Forgive me if I tell you to read my mind, I won't offend others by typing what I'm thinking.
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 15 2008, 11:01 PM)
QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Aug 15 2008, 04:46 PM)
[ I don't think anyone is saying the military is going to vote overwhelmingly for Obama Marine. The fact that some are donating despite the fact they really don't have a lot of spare money or time to even pay attention to an election campaign is simply an interesting fact. And the fact that those who are doing so seem to prefer Obama to McCain . I think its telling that the majority of those in the military and on the firing line who do take the time make a choice which differs from a lot of old vets sitting at computers spewing venom..but then they have a lot more invested at this time in history don't they, ... who do they choose, a war monger or an advocate of intelligent diplomacy and war only as a last resort. Good lord, that war monger doesn't even to seem to realize that the US has invaded two countries since this century began. He lectures Russia saying no one should be invading countries in the 21st century. Hello!! Where has he been ???
Well my new military id now says active instead of retired and I can assure you amongst the Guard, the very people y'all think would care the most to get Obama elected, Obama is persona non gratia with just about every Soldier and Airman I've come into contact with.
And this thread and this story is in existence soley for the reason to try to hoodwink folks into believing the military wants Obama elected. I don't find this at all unusual for Obama though, his whole persona is based on hucksterism so why should we expect anything except his regular flim flam routine?
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 15 2008, 11:29 PM)
I read the source of this story as "The Huffinton Post" and the person posting it here as Concerned Observer.
I presume the folks who place this story to be willing participants in an effort to perpetrate a scam and approve of Obama's flim flam tactics.
In 2004 the democratic party should have taken the presidency and had they run just about anyone but who they did they would have succeeded. Apparently y'all have trouble learning from your mistakes cause in 2008 the party nominee is an inexperienced nobody whose only asset is he's a great fraud.
I presume the folks who place this story to be willing participants in an effort to perpetrate a scam and approve of Obama's flim flam tactics.
In 2004 the democratic party should have taken the presidency and had they run just about anyone but who they did they would have succeeded. Apparently y'all have trouble learning from your mistakes cause in 2008 the party nominee is an inexperienced nobody whose only asset is he's a great fraud.
Just can't over the fact that Obama won the nomination can you Marine?
QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Aug 16 2008, 12:01 AM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 15 2008, 11:29 PM)
I read the source of this story as "The Huffinton Post" and the person posting it here as Concerned Observer.
I presume the folks who place this story to be willing participants in an effort to perpetrate a scam and approve of Obama's flim flam tactics.
In 2004 the democratic party should have taken the presidency and had they run just about anyone but who they did they would have succeeded. Apparently y'all have trouble learning from your mistakes cause in 2008 the party nominee is an inexperienced nobody whose only asset is he's a great fraud.
I presume the folks who place this story to be willing participants in an effort to perpetrate a scam and approve of Obama's flim flam tactics.
In 2004 the democratic party should have taken the presidency and had they run just about anyone but who they did they would have succeeded. Apparently y'all have trouble learning from your mistakes cause in 2008 the party nominee is an inexperienced nobody whose only asset is he's a great fraud.
Yep.. I posted it but check around. Its on every media site on the web. Including all major media sites
You are a great one to criticize Marine.. you post vast quantities of Right Wing garbage here on a daily basis, and usually unsourced. Forgive me if I tell you to read my mind, I won't offend others by typing what I'm thinking.
Marine strongly identifies with the military...he is a neo-conservative....his responses are predictable and never disappoint.....
QUOTE(amy @ Aug 15 2008, 11:14 PM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 15 2008, 11:01 PM)
QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Aug 15 2008, 04:46 PM)
[ I don't think anyone is saying the military is going to vote overwhelmingly for Obama Marine. The fact that some are donating despite the fact they really don't have a lot of spare money or time to even pay attention to an election campaign is simply an interesting fact. And the fact that those who are doing so seem to prefer Obama to McCain . I think its telling that the majority of those in the military and on the firing line who do take the time make a choice which differs from a lot of old vets sitting at computers spewing venom..but then they have a lot more invested at this time in history don't they, ... who do they choose, a war monger or an advocate of intelligent diplomacy and war only as a last resort. Good lord, that war monger doesn't even to seem to realize that the US has invaded two countries since this century began. He lectures Russia saying no one should be invading countries in the 21st century. Hello!! Where has he been ???
Well my new military id now says active instead of retired and I can assure you amongst the Guard, the very people y'all think would care the most to get Obama elected, Obama is persona non gratia with just about every Soldier and Airman I've come into contact with.
And this thread and this story is in existence soley for the reason to try to hoodwink folks into believing the military wants Obama elected. I don't find this at all unusual for Obama though, his whole persona is based on hucksterism so why should we expect anything except his regular flim flam routine?
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 15 2008, 11:29 PM)
I read the source of this story as "The Huffinton Post" and the person posting it here as Concerned Observer.
I presume the folks who place this story to be willing participants in an effort to perpetrate a scam and approve of Obama's flim flam tactics.
In 2004 the democratic party should have taken the presidency and had they run just about anyone but who they did they would have succeeded. Apparently y'all have trouble learning from your mistakes cause in 2008 the party nominee is an inexperienced nobody whose only asset is he's a great fraud.
I presume the folks who place this story to be willing participants in an effort to perpetrate a scam and approve of Obama's flim flam tactics.
In 2004 the democratic party should have taken the presidency and had they run just about anyone but who they did they would have succeeded. Apparently y'all have trouble learning from your mistakes cause in 2008 the party nominee is an inexperienced nobody whose only asset is he's a great fraud.
Just can't over the fact that Obama won the nomination can you Marine?
We'll see how much you like rolling on the floor laughing your a$$ off on 5 November, 2008 eh?
The fact is Obama can't make an intelligent statement about most near anything (except community activism what ever that is) unless someone tells him what to say. And he's getting his support from the folks who belittled George Bush for his lack of experience too.
It's becoming painfully obvious Obama is going to be somebody's finger puppet. Got any guesses? Zbigniew Brzezinski, George Soros, Peter Lewis, Robert Glaser, or Rob McKay? Which one do y'all want to pulling the strings?
Have you ever wonder why Obama opted out of public financing? I doubt the thought has ever entered your mind.
Obama's a huckster and unqualified so he is unfit to be president of the United States.
John McCain probably has mental problems so he's unfit to be president of the United States.
Marine you a sound like a man going through male menopause,but I thought you were too old for that. Maybe its a case of regression ?
You are really stretching saying Obama isn't intelligent. All you are showing is your own lack of comprehension. He's infinitely more intelligent than you even suspect.
Tell ya what ... I promise I won't say I told you so in 2 or 3 years when you have to eat your words. I'll even supply the condiments .
Obama is intelligent enough to surround himself with excellence. Only the weak seek to surround themselves with those with whom they can feel superior. Any good manager knows that. Its fundamental logic.
You are really stretching saying Obama isn't intelligent. All you are showing is your own lack of comprehension. He's infinitely more intelligent than you even suspect.
Tell ya what ... I promise I won't say I told you so in 2 or 3 years when you have to eat your words. I'll even supply the condiments .
Obama is intelligent enough to surround himself with excellence. Only the weak seek to surround themselves with those with whom they can feel superior. Any good manager knows that. Its fundamental logic.
QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Aug 16 2008, 03:53 PM)
Marine you a sound like a man going through male menopause,but I thought you were too old for that. Maybe its a case of regression ?
You are really stretching saying Obama isn't intelligent. All you are showing is your own lack of comprehension. He's infinitely more intelligent than you even suspect.
Tell ya what ... I promise I won't say I told you so in 2 or 3 years when you have to eat your words. I'll even supply the condiments .
Obama is intelligent enough to surround himself with excellence. Only the weak seek to surround themselves with those with whom they can feel superior. Any good manager knows that. Its fundamental logic.
You are really stretching saying Obama isn't intelligent. All you are showing is your own lack of comprehension. He's infinitely more intelligent than you even suspect.
Tell ya what ... I promise I won't say I told you so in 2 or 3 years when you have to eat your words. I'll even supply the condiments .
Obama is intelligent enough to surround himself with excellence. Only the weak seek to surround themselves with those with whom they can feel superior. Any good manager knows that. Its fundamental logic.
I never said Obama wasn't intelligent I said he ain't got the experience.
You know, I've heard for better than 15 years what a dunce George Bush is from you people; well George Bush ain't dumb, he's very intelligent. You got the same issue with Obama, he's very intelligent but he has not the experience required for the job he is pursuing. You got a Black George Bush who will serve his masters well and his masters ain't you.
Obama's like a trained parrot reciting back what he's been fed. Ever since I heard his response to an economic question on a news show I have known he don't know diddly squat about what he's talking about. He got the question, his eyes glazed over like he was trying to remember the answer and he gave a superb answer but not to the question that he was asked.
And some of the people Obama has already started surrounding himself with ought to scare the bejeevers out of you. I'd suggest you ought to read up a bit on Zbigniew Brzezinski.
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 16 2008, 05:56 PM)
QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Aug 16 2008, 03:53 PM)
Marine you a sound like a man going through male menopause,but I thought you were too old for that. Maybe its a case of regression ?
You are really stretching saying Obama isn't intelligent. All you are showing is your own lack of comprehension. He's infinitely more intelligent than you even suspect.
Tell ya what ... I promise I won't say I told you so in 2 or 3 years when you have to eat your words. I'll even supply the condiments .
Obama is intelligent enough to surround himself with excellence. Only the weak seek to surround themselves with those with whom they can feel superior. Any good manager knows that. Its fundamental logic.
You are really stretching saying Obama isn't intelligent. All you are showing is your own lack of comprehension. He's infinitely more intelligent than you even suspect.
Tell ya what ... I promise I won't say I told you so in 2 or 3 years when you have to eat your words. I'll even supply the condiments .
Obama is intelligent enough to surround himself with excellence. Only the weak seek to surround themselves with those with whom they can feel superior. Any good manager knows that. Its fundamental logic.
I never said Obama wasn't intelligent I said he ain't got the experience.
You know, I've heard for better than 15 years what a dunce George Bush is from you people; well George Bush ain't dumb, he's very intelligent. You got the same issue with Obama, he's very intelligent but he has not the experience required for the job he is pursuing. You got a Black George Bush who will serve his masters well and his masters ain't you.
Obama's like a trained parrot reciting back what he's been fed. Ever since I heard his response to an economic question on a news show I have known he don't know diddly squat about what he's talking about. He got the question, his eyes glazed over like he was trying to remember the answer and he gave a superb answer but not to the question that he was asked.
And some of the people Obama has already started surrounding himself with ought to scare the bejeevers out of you. I'd suggest you ought to read up a bit on Zbigniew Brzezinski.
Just prattle away about Obama, Marine.
We will always disagree about Obama's personal qualities and his readiness for the presidency. I'm done responding to your opinions about him. You think GW is intelligent but is a poor president because of his "inexperience"....that says it all.
QUOTE(amy @ Aug 16 2008, 06:55 PM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 16 2008, 05:56 PM)
QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Aug 16 2008, 03:53 PM)
Marine you a sound like a man going through male menopause,but I thought you were too old for that. Maybe its a case of regression ?
You are really stretching saying Obama isn't intelligent. All you are showing is your own lack of comprehension. He's infinitely more intelligent than you even suspect.
Tell ya what ... I promise I won't say I told you so in 2 or 3 years when you have to eat your words. I'll even supply the condiments .
Obama is intelligent enough to surround himself with excellence. Only the weak seek to surround themselves with those with whom they can feel superior. Any good manager knows that. Its fundamental logic.
You are really stretching saying Obama isn't intelligent. All you are showing is your own lack of comprehension. He's infinitely more intelligent than you even suspect.
Tell ya what ... I promise I won't say I told you so in 2 or 3 years when you have to eat your words. I'll even supply the condiments .
Obama is intelligent enough to surround himself with excellence. Only the weak seek to surround themselves with those with whom they can feel superior. Any good manager knows that. Its fundamental logic.
I never said Obama wasn't intelligent I said he ain't got the experience.
You know, I've heard for better than 15 years what a dunce George Bush is from you people; well George Bush ain't dumb, he's very intelligent. You got the same issue with Obama, he's very intelligent but he has not the experience required for the job he is pursuing. You got a Black George Bush who will serve his masters well and his masters ain't you.
Obama's like a trained parrot reciting back what he's been fed. Ever since I heard his response to an economic question on a news show I have known he don't know diddly squat about what he's talking about. He got the question, his eyes glazed over like he was trying to remember the answer and he gave a superb answer but not to the question that he was asked.
And some of the people Obama has already started surrounding himself with ought to scare the bejeevers out of you. I'd suggest you ought to read up a bit on Zbigniew Brzezinski.
Just prattle away about Obama, Marine.
We will always disagree about Obama's personal qualities and his readiness for the presidency. I'm done responding to your opinions about him. You think GW is intelligent but is a poor president because of his "inexperience"....that says it all.We'll get another session of George Bush with Obama Amy, the only difference will be who the thieves are pulling the strings.
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 16 2008, 11:21 PM)
QUOTE(amy @ Aug 16 2008, 06:55 PM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 16 2008, 05:56 PM)
QUOTE(ConcernedObserver @ Aug 16 2008, 03:53 PM)
Marine you a sound like a man going through male menopause,but I thought you were too old for that. Maybe its a case of regression ?
You are really stretching saying Obama isn't intelligent. All you are showing is your own lack of comprehension. He's infinitely more intelligent than you even suspect.
Tell ya what ... I promise I won't say I told you so in 2 or 3 years when you have to eat your words. I'll even supply the condiments .
Obama is intelligent enough to surround himself with excellence. Only the weak seek to surround themselves with those with whom they can feel superior. Any good manager knows that. Its fundamental logic.
You are really stretching saying Obama isn't intelligent. All you are showing is your own lack of comprehension. He's infinitely more intelligent than you even suspect.
Tell ya what ... I promise I won't say I told you so in 2 or 3 years when you have to eat your words. I'll even supply the condiments .
Obama is intelligent enough to surround himself with excellence. Only the weak seek to surround themselves with those with whom they can feel superior. Any good manager knows that. Its fundamental logic.
I never said Obama wasn't intelligent I said he ain't got the experience.
You know, I've heard for better than 15 years what a dunce George Bush is from you people; well George Bush ain't dumb, he's very intelligent. You got the same issue with Obama, he's very intelligent but he has not the experience required for the job he is pursuing. You got a Black George Bush who will serve his masters well and his masters ain't you.
Obama's like a trained parrot reciting back what he's been fed. Ever since I heard his response to an economic question on a news show I have known he don't know diddly squat about what he's talking about. He got the question, his eyes glazed over like he was trying to remember the answer and he gave a superb answer but not to the question that he was asked.
And some of the people Obama has already started surrounding himself with ought to scare the bejeevers out of you. I'd suggest you ought to read up a bit on Zbigniew Brzezinski.
Just prattle away about Obama, Marine.
We will always disagree about Obama's personal qualities and his readiness for the presidency. I'm done responding to your opinions about him. You think GW is intelligent but is a poor president because of his "inexperience"....that says it all.We'll get another session of George Bush with Obama Amy, the only difference will be who the thieves are pulling the strings.
See, like I said, we completely disagree about everything concerning Obama. I'll leave it at that.
QUOTE(Terra @ Aug 14 2008, 03:30 PM)
Actually there is a good article here about the troops and their donations ... but there was one comment that held some truth to me.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/tr...ad-give-61.html
Can you verify the source of this information? I tried to search the FEC database and was unable to find much.
I also have grave misgiving that 134 G.I.s gave an average of $452. I certainly couldn't donate that amount even as a E-9.
Contributions from All Military Personnel
Recipient Total Number
Obama, Barack $335,536 859
McCain, John $280,513 558
Paul, Ron $232,411 537
Clinton, Hillary $167,050 376
Republican National Cmte $135,902 219
Huckabee, Mike $66,751 127
Thompson, Fred $46,400 93
Romney, Mitt $43,307 96
Giuliani, Rudolph W $22,050 47
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $21,885 26
DNC Services Corp $16,873 53
Based on contributions made during the 2008 election cycle through June 31, 2008.
Contributions from U.S. Troops Deployed Abroad
Obama, Barack $60,642 134
Paul, Ron $45,512 99
McCain, John $10,665 26
Huckabee, Mike $7,950 10
Thompson, Fred $6,350 7
Romney, Mitt $5,550 10
Clinton, Hillary $3,240 6
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/tr...ad-give-61.html
Can you verify the source of this information? I tried to search the FEC database and was unable to find much.
I also have grave misgiving that 134 G.I.s gave an average of $452. I certainly couldn't donate that amount even as a E-9.
Contributions from All Military Personnel
Recipient Total Number
Obama, Barack $335,536 859
McCain, John $280,513 558
Paul, Ron $232,411 537
Clinton, Hillary $167,050 376
Republican National Cmte $135,902 219
Huckabee, Mike $66,751 127
Thompson, Fred $46,400 93
Romney, Mitt $43,307 96
Giuliani, Rudolph W $22,050 47
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $21,885 26
DNC Services Corp $16,873 53
Based on contributions made during the 2008 election cycle through June 31, 2008.
Contributions from U.S. Troops Deployed Abroad
Obama, Barack $60,642 134
Paul, Ron $45,512 99
McCain, John $10,665 26
Huckabee, Mike $7,950 10
Thompson, Fred $6,350 7
Romney, Mitt $5,550 10
Clinton, Hillary $3,240 6
I do not know about Ron Paul's supporters - but they are noted above...so I do not know what source you have to contradict this him supposedly having more than 282...
Its an average --- if you get some high ranking officers contributing a lot then you might get this high average even though most my contribute less.
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 08:53 PM)
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Aug 14 2008, 03:47 PM)
How many contributed?
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
Well I find this claim to be amazing.
During my recent hurricane deployment we had various live feeds into the EOC, one of which was CNN. They broke into the hurricane coverage with Obama giving his press conference in France; the 30 to 40 Iraqi War veterans in the room went silent then roundly booed him.
Makes you wonder doesn't it...
Maybe just like people are afraid to state their true feelings on race in polls, persons in the military who support a Democrat might be reluctant to voice their opinion in that regard...
Sad, but probably true.
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Aug 18 2008, 01:16 PM)
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 14 2008, 08:53 PM)
QUOTE(Indianhead @ Aug 14 2008, 03:47 PM)
How many contributed?
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
I never contributed to a politician while
on active duty...I imagine most still don't.
Well I find this claim to be amazing.
During my recent hurricane deployment we had various live feeds into the EOC, one of which was CNN. They broke into the hurricane coverage with Obama giving his press conference in France; the 30 to 40 Iraqi War veterans in the room went silent then roundly booed him.
Makes you wonder doesn't it...
Maybe just like people are afraid to state their true feelings on race in polls, persons in the military who support a Democrat might be reluctant to voice their opinion in that regard...
Sad, but probably true.
Yep, it used to be easy to be a democrat and be in the military. When I left the Marines in 2000 telling someone you was a democrat was about tantamount to anouncing your loyalty to North Korea. I wonder what North Korea did to foster that perception?
As I suspected...
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http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politi...ary_favors.html
Military favors McCain, poll finds
Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor August 19, 2008 12:41 PM
While troops deployed abroad might be giving more money to Barack Obama, a poll released today says that John McCain will get the vast majority of votes from members of the military and veterans.
According to Gallup, McCain leads Obama 56 percent to 34 percent, with 11 percent expressing no opinion or picking someone else.
Obama spoke to the Veterans of Foreign Wars today in Florida, a day after McCain addressed the gathering.
Gallup said the poll is based on aggregated data from its daily tracking poll between Aug. 5 and Aug. 17, involving more than 11,000 registered voters, including 2,238 military veterans. Veterans are defined as those who are or have been members of the US military. Obama led McCain 46% to 43% among all registered voters during the period.
The military vote could be a difference maker in several traditionally Republican states where Obama is trying to pull off upsets, including North Carolina and Virginia.
And McCain would seem to have the edge because veterans tend to be Republican and because of his experience as a decorated Vietnam War veteran and prisoner of war. Obama did not serve in the military.
In its final pre-election poll in 2004, Gallup said that 60 percent of likely voters who had served in the military backed President Bush, compared with 40 percent who supported Democrat John F. Kerry. Gallup said: "It is notable, then, that McCain is doing only about as well among military veterans as Bush did in 2004, despite the two Republican candidates' varying military backgrounds. (Bush was in the Texas Air National Guard, but did not serve overseas.)"
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http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politi...ary_favors.html
Military favors McCain, poll finds
Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor August 19, 2008 12:41 PM
While troops deployed abroad might be giving more money to Barack Obama, a poll released today says that John McCain will get the vast majority of votes from members of the military and veterans.
According to Gallup, McCain leads Obama 56 percent to 34 percent, with 11 percent expressing no opinion or picking someone else.
Obama spoke to the Veterans of Foreign Wars today in Florida, a day after McCain addressed the gathering.
Gallup said the poll is based on aggregated data from its daily tracking poll between Aug. 5 and Aug. 17, involving more than 11,000 registered voters, including 2,238 military veterans. Veterans are defined as those who are or have been members of the US military. Obama led McCain 46% to 43% among all registered voters during the period.
The military vote could be a difference maker in several traditionally Republican states where Obama is trying to pull off upsets, including North Carolina and Virginia.
And McCain would seem to have the edge because veterans tend to be Republican and because of his experience as a decorated Vietnam War veteran and prisoner of war. Obama did not serve in the military.
In its final pre-election poll in 2004, Gallup said that 60 percent of likely voters who had served in the military backed President Bush, compared with 40 percent who supported Democrat John F. Kerry. Gallup said: "It is notable, then, that McCain is doing only about as well among military veterans as Bush did in 2004, despite the two Republican candidates' varying military backgrounds. (Bush was in the Texas Air National Guard, but did not serve overseas.)"
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