Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: AL GORE SERIOUS POSSIBLITY FOR VP???????(as I predicted months ago)
Common Ground Common Sense > Online Café > Online Café > Online Café Archive
graham4anything
August 15, 2008, 9:32 am
Gore’s Second Act?
By Chris Suellentrop
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/...ct/?ref=opinion
Tags: Al Gore, Veepstakes

Are you better off than you were when Al Gore was vice president? If Barack Obama’s campaign takes the advice of Robert Kuttner, the co-founder and co-editor of The American Prospect, it might start asking voters that question. “Most folks have assumed that Gore is off the VP list, but he hasn’t been slotted as a convention speaker yet, which is curious since Gore is one of the party’s superstars and its most effective spokesperson on energy and the environment,” Kuttner writes at Tapped, his magazine’s group blog. “Are they holding off because he’s a finalist for Veep? And I have two pretty good sources who say Gore and Obama are actively exploring an administration slot for Al. What better post to be sustainability czar than vice president?”
Mark Kleiman, a professor of public policy at the University of California, Los Angeles, thinks Gore “would be an inspired choice.” He writes at The Reality-Based Community, an academic group blog:
Yes, at first blush another Vice Presidency would be beneath Gore. But Obama has no huge emotional investment in either energy/environment/climate change or science & technology, and Gore cares about them passionately. Obama could give him primary authority in those areas without having a full “co-Presidency.” It’s hard to see how Gore does more for what he cares about from the outside.
graham4anything
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_..._president_gore

VICE PRESIDENT GORE?

Vice President Gore? It has a certain ring. Most folks have assumed that Gore is off the VP list, but he hasn’t been slotted as a convention speaker yet, which is curious since Gore is one of the party’s superstars and its most effective spokesperson on energy and the environment.

Are they holding off because he’s a finalist for Veep? And I have two pretty good sources who say Gore and Obama are actively exploring an administration slot for Al. What better post to be sustainability czar than vice president?

Yes, he’s been there, done that, but this would be entirely different. And yes, Gore is an insider and Obama is anti-Beltway. But Gore in his eight years out of office has entirely redeemed himself as an outsider. He may be fifty pounds heavier, but he’s at least fifty pounds lighter in having liberated his own compelling voice. Consider the checklist:


Stature? Definitely.

National security credibility? Check.

Believable as president if need be? That, too.

Boring? That was the old Gore, not the new one. (And compared to whom? Biden? Bayh?)

Help carry a key state? Gore is in his own unique state, and the regional effect has been overrated since LBJ.

Upstage Obama? Funnily, doesn’t seem so.

This is mostly conjecture, of course, but that seems the main spectator sport this August week. …

--Robert Kuttner


Posted by Sam Boyd on August 14, 2008 2:55 PM | Permalink
graham4anything
August 14, 2008
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/campaign...gore_for_vp.php
Gore for VP?
Posted by Mark Kleiman
Bob Kuttner raises the question, and runs the checklist:

Stature? Definitely.
National security credibility? Check.

Believable as president if need be? That, too.

Boring? That was the old Gore, not the new one. (And compared to whom? Biden? Bayh?)

Help carry a key state? Gore is in his own unique state, and the regional effect has been overrated since LBJ.

Upstage Obama? Funnily, doesn’t seem so.


I think I like this a lot, though I think Earth in the Balance was one of the all-time terrible books. As a VP choice, Gore is both surprising and reassuring. And he could start his acceptance speech with a joke about recycling ... Vice-Presidents.

Query: how much hostility is there to "Ozone Man" among industrial workers in Mich/Ohio/Pa?

As of October, CBS had him 46/29 favorable over unfavorable, while Gallup had him 58/37. Those are pretty respectable numbers.

Yes, at first blush another Vice Presidency would be beneath Gore. But Obama has no huge emotional investment in either energy/environment/climate change or science & technology, and Gore cares about them passionately. Obama could give him primary authority in those areas without having a full "co-Presidency." It's hard to see how Gore does more for what he cares about from the outside.

And Gore is only 60: he'd be (barely) young enough run to succeed Obama. Is that taste out of his mouth entirely?

I'd be happy with Sebelius or Reed, certainly ahead of rumored favorites Biden and Bayh. Wes Clark would have some big advantages; unlike John McCain, he actually does know how to win a war.

But Gore would be an inspired choice.




Posted at 06:57 PM | TrackBack (0) | |
Thread: Campaign 2008

Comments
Terra
Would Gore accept - Nope

Just my opinion. Why have the more qualified person as VP?
Arneoker
These guys are just passing off their musings.

The most important person on this question is of course not being quoted at all.

And that is Al Gore.
Arneoker
QUOTE(Terra @ Aug 15 2008, 03:12 PM) *
Would Gore accept - Nope

Just my opinion. Why have the more qualified person as VP?

Would he really settle for Number Two now? After having been there for eight years and having run for Number One and nearly getting it?
rla
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 02:09 PM) *
August 14, 2008
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/campaign...gore_for_vp.php
Gore for VP?
Posted by Mark Kleiman
Bob Kuttner raises the question, and runs the checklist:

Stature? Definitely.
National security credibility? Check.

Believable as president if need be? That, too.

Boring? That was the old Gore, not the new one. (And compared to whom? Biden? Bayh?)

Help carry a key state? Gore is in his own unique state, and the regional effect has been overrated since LBJ.

Upstage Obama? Funnily, doesn’t seem so.


I think I like this a lot, though I think Earth in the Balance was one of the all-time terrible books. As a VP choice, Gore is both surprising and reassuring. And he could start his acceptance speech with a joke about recycling ... Vice-Presidents.

Query: how much hostility is there to "Ozone Man" among industrial workers in Mich/Ohio/Pa?

As of October, CBS had him 46/29 favorable over unfavorable, while Gallup had him 58/37. Those are pretty respectable numbers.

Yes, at first blush another Vice Presidency would be beneath Gore. But Obama has no huge emotional investment in either energy/environment/climate change or science & technology, and Gore cares about them passionately. Obama could give him primary authority in those areas without having a full "co-Presidency." It's hard to see how Gore does more for what he cares about from the outside.

And Gore is only 60: he'd be (barely) young enough run to succeed Obama. Is that taste out of his mouth entirely?

I'd be happy with Sebelius or Reed, certainly ahead of rumored favorites Biden and Bayh. Wes Clark would have some big advantages; unlike John McCain, he actually does know how to win a war.

But Gore would be an inspired choice.




Posted at 06:57 PM | TrackBack (0) | |
Thread: Campaign 2008

Comments

If Obama can get Gore to do it, that's what he ought to do.
NiteOwl


He already won the election once... er, except for that damned USSC and it's non-precedent precedent.
graham4anything
As I wrote earlier today on the Gore board

the best reason would be because of a poll recently that shows Americans find global warming issue to be fading in importance to them
(sort of like charity fatigue), and the best way for Al is to be in it than a private citizen

The second is a heartbeat away
the third is, he would not be all that old in 2016
the fourth is a heartbeat away
the fifth is Dick cheney showed a vp can be just as powerful as the president

and it would provide a buffer between Obama and the Clinton's.

and would be a name that would unite the party -everyone loves Al Gore

maybe Teddy told him to do it and Gore is respected greatly (mutual) by Caroline, who is vetting.
If Caroline asked, Gore would do it.

Gore doesn't have an ego, which is the only reason detractors of this give- that it is beneath him. NO saving the country is NOT beneath anyone.
tomhye
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Aug 15 2008, 12:16 PM) *
QUOTE(Terra @ Aug 15 2008, 03:12 PM) *
Would Gore accept - Nope

Just my opinion. Why have the more qualified person as VP?

Would he really settle for Number Two now? After having been there for eight years and having run for Number One and nearly getting it?


AH, but all I've heard him say is he wouldn't accept the nomination for president and he didn't want to be vice president, he didn't DIRECTLY say he wouldn't accept the nomination for vice president!

(some people apply the same "logic" to everything)
Arneoker
I hate to be a wet blanket (well actually I don't really care whether I am or not) but I just don't think he would say yes. I would not have too much hope about this. And I have liked Gore for at least 20 years.
graham4anything
LBJ
LBJ
LBJ
LBJ
LBJ

And the rest, as they say is history
LBJ was the strongest, most powerful person in 1960, and as President...which he never would have been had he not run for President.
graham4anything
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Aug 15 2008, 03:26 PM) *
I hate to be a wet blanket (well actually I don't really care whether I am or not) but I just don't think he would say yes. I would not have too much hope about this. And I have liked Gore for at least 20 years.



Al Gore specifically said this year was BIGGER than any one person


which means, leave your ego at the door, and do what is asked

Ask not what the country can do for global warming and everything else ASK WHAT YOU AL GORE can do for America

America is calling, its 3AM, I believe Al Gore would pick up the phone if asked...

and he never gave the Sherman on this, and he never is that rigid.
After all, that early evening in TN, Al Gore was in his limo going to make a concession speech...when he found out it was not over by a long shot (and later found out he actually won)...

REDEMPTION
IMMORTALITY
is as close as a three letter word
YES

AMERICA IS CALLING AND AL WILL ANSWER.
tomhye
We'd better hope he's been lying to us, we need his integrity!
graham4anything

When was he lying? He never gave the sherman...What he gave us was Obama...and he didn't come this far to back off if needed...

Arneoker
If he said no he would not do this, when he did not mean that, then he would have been lying.

I don't think he wants to do this. Graham, you may think that the reasons for him to go for this are compelling, and you are not alone in this. But ultimately only his opinion, and Tipper's, is going to count on this, no matter how much you wish it would be otherwise.
tomhye
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 12:34 PM) *
When was he lying? He never gave the sherman...What he gave us was Obama...and he didn't come this far to back off if needed...



You're the only one here calling him a liar.
graham4anything
QUOTE(tomhye @ Aug 15 2008, 03:45 PM) *
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 12:34 PM) *
When was he lying? He never gave the sherman...What he gave us was Obama...and he didn't come this far to back off if needed...



You're the only one here calling him a liar.


no I am not, you misread what I think the stateement Al said meant -
I said he said (in his brushing it off) a statement of this being bigger than one person

That to me says, IF he is called, he will take it (meaning he won't put his ego in the way and say like some say I been there done it)
I take his statement to mean
YES HE WILL heed the call to duty when asked
after all, he does not run when called. He serves. (And he was born to be in office).
(I believe you may have thought I meant the opposite).

He never gave the Sherman.
And anyhow, events on this day, are different than they were a month ago.
Arneoker
Graham, it is not how you take his statement that counts. It is what he meant by it. What did he likely mean? For instance, he was not responding to my comment about not going back to the Vice Presidency, so when he said that this was bigger than one person, I think he more likely meant that he himself was not so important. Those offering themselves up for public office usually don't take care to diminish their own person importance. He was not saying yes. And I don't think he was saying maybe, saying maybe usually involves words like, "I have not made a decision," "This is not the time to discuss that," etc.
graham4anything
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Aug 15 2008, 03:57 PM) *
Graham, it is not how you take his statement that counts. It is what he meant by it. What did he likely mean? For instance, he was not responding to my comment about not going back to the Vice Presidency, so when he said that this was bigger than one person, I think he more likely meant that he himself was not so important. Those offering themselves up for public office usually don't take care to diminish their own person importance. He was not saying yes. And I don't think he was saying maybe, saying maybe usually involves words like, "I have not made a decision," "This is not the time to discuss that," etc.



he wasn't referring to himself anyhow
He was at that time referring to Hillary TO GET THE FREAK OUT OF THE RACE that the cause is bigger than her

I am using his words to give him "wiggle room" as to why he can easily get back into it

this isn't about me...it is plain as day what I meant by it

It means YES WE CAN hope for a Obama/Gore ticket. There was NO Sherman on the VP or President.(and anyhow, he did NOT run for either position) he accepted a position, an offer he could not refuse.
Arneoker
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 04:03 PM) *
he wasn't referring to himself anyhow
He was at that time referring to Hillary TO GET THE FREAK OUT OF THE RACE that the cause is bigger than her


If he wasn't talking about himself then why quote that?

QUOTE
I am using his words to give him "wiggle room" as to why he can easily get back into it

this isn't about me...it is plain as day what I meant by it

It means YES WE CAN hope for a Obama/Gore ticket. There was NO Sherman on the VP or President.(and anyhow, he did NOT run for either position) he accepted a position, an offer he could not refuse.


Actually I think that we could use real quotes concerning him and his plans, or non-plans, concerning these offices. Tomyhe has made some very clear claims as to what he said, but real quotes would be very useful. All I know is that whenever he has said anything on this it has come down to a version of "no".
graham4anything
I am tired of your singsongy games

go play with mac2

it is obvious he never gave a sherman, you just said so yourself.
Arneoker
Graham, I am not up on all that he has said. I should have prefaced my last statement with "As far as I know..."

I think that very few people have actually used Sherman's words, but many have removed themselves from consideration from both offices.

But my understanding is that he is not interested. All someone needs to do to change that understanding is provide a quote that indicates differently.
graham4anything

2 weeks from today, the convention is over
we shall know then

someone will be vp
Arneoker
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 04:43 PM) *
2 weeks from today, the convention is over
we shall know then

someone will be vp

Will that I cannot argue with!
graham4anything
Aug 15, 2008 8:21 am US/Eastern
Kerry For Vice President?
http://wbztv.com/politics/jonkeller/john.k...e.2.796143.html
Keller's Blog: Kerry For VP Part II
Reporting
Jon Keller BOSTON (WBZ) ― Barack Obama has yet to name a vice presidential nominee and some are wondering if he might turn to Massachusetts to round out the ticket.

John Kerry for vice president?

Don't dismiss the notion just yet.

Some political insiders are telling WBZ it could happen.

So why would Obama reach out to Kerry as his choice?

Kerry brings more money and name recognition to the table than any other name on the Obama list so far. Americans do tend to love a comeback kid and this would be the most amazing political comeback since Richard Nixon came back from the dead forty years ago.

"I'm not looking for any new job, I'm running for re-election," Kerry told WBZ last week.

Asked about the V.P. buzz, his press secretary told WBZ in a statement Thursday night:

"If I was bi-lingual, I'd say no in multiple languages. The only job John Kerry is running for, contemplating, or considering is the one he already has."

If you're laughing off the idea of Kerry back on the national ticket again, I don't blame you. While he came close four years ago, his campaign was widely derided as, to put it politely, clumsy.

But consider some reasons why Obama might now turn to Kerry as a running mate.

Polls show many voters question Obama's foreign policy credentials to be a wartime president. As a decorated veteran and longtime member of the senate foreign relations committee, Kerry could fill that gap.

Obama suffers from being a new face on the political scene, but Kerry - warts and all - is well known to the voters, and in 2004, he did draw more votes than any democrat ever has.

And judging from a new anti-smear web site funded by Kerry's political action committee, Kerry would eagerly assume the role of attack dog... Allowing a nominee who prefers to float above the fray to minimize the amount of political hardball he has to play.

One other note: the vice presidential nominee will address the convention on Wednesday night, August 27.

The theme set for that evening - a salute to America's veterans.

The Obama campaign says we shouldn't read anything into that. We'll soon see if they're blowing smoke on that one.

(So what happens if Kerry is on the ticket - will he still run for the Senate? Read Jon's blog for more.)
(© MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Beamer
QUOTE(Terra @ Aug 15 2008, 12:12 PM) *
Would Gore accept - Nope

Just my opinion. Why have the more qualified person as VP?



Yup. And Gore said as much on Meet the Press on July 20. He said he would not be interested in the VP job.
rla
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 15 2008, 05:42 PM) *
Aug 15, 2008 8:21 am US/Eastern
Kerry For Vice President?
http://wbztv.com/politics/jonkeller/john.k...e.2.796143.html
Keller's Blog: Kerry For VP Part II
Reporting
Jon Keller BOSTON (WBZ) ― Barack Obama has yet to name a vice presidential nominee and some are wondering if he might turn to Massachusetts to round out the ticket.

John Kerry for vice president?

Don't dismiss the notion just yet.

Some political insiders are telling WBZ it could happen.

So why would Obama reach out to Kerry as his choice?
Kery would be a better pick than Bayh or Bidden in my opinion.
Kerry brings more money and name recognition to the table than any other name on the Obama list so far. Americans do tend to love a comeback kid and this would be the most amazing political comeback since Richard Nixon came back from the dead forty years ago.

"I'm not looking for any new job, I'm running for re-election," Kerry told WBZ last week.

Asked about the V.P. buzz, his press secretary told WBZ in a statement Thursday night:

"If I was bi-lingual, I'd say no in multiple languages. The only job John Kerry is running for, contemplating, or considering is the one he already has."

If you're laughing off the idea of Kerry back on the national ticket again, I don't blame you. While he came close four years ago, his campaign was widely derided as, to put it politely, clumsy.

But consider some reasons why Obama might now turn to Kerry as a running mate.

Polls show many voters question Obama's foreign policy credentials to be a wartime president. As a decorated veteran and longtime member of the senate foreign relations committee, Kerry could fill that gap.

Obama suffers from being a new face on the political scene, but Kerry - warts and all - is well known to the voters, and in 2004, he did draw more votes than any democrat ever has.

And judging from a new anti-smear web site funded by Kerry's political action committee, Kerry would eagerly assume the role of attack dog... Allowing a nominee who prefers to float above the fray to minimize the amount of political hardball he has to play.

One other note: the vice presidential nominee will address the convention on Wednesday night, August 27.

The theme set for that evening - a salute to America's veterans.

The Obama campaign says we shouldn't read anything into that. We'll soon see if they're blowing smoke on that one.

(So what happens if Kerry is on the ticket - will he still run for the Senate? Read Jon's blog for more.)
(© MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Pegatha
Yes, in two weeks we will know who the vp is. Unfortunately, we already do. And he's a real Dick.

Seriously, I not-so-seriously hope that Gore does turn him down. If he says "yes," a certain someone will be simply unbearable.
jeffmoskin
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Aug 15 2008, 12:16 PM) *
Would he really settle for Number Two now? After having been there for eight years and having run for Number One and nearly getting it?

He DID get it. He just was never sworn in.
graham4anything
QUOTE(Beamer @ Aug 15 2008, 08:04 PM) *
QUOTE(Terra @ Aug 15 2008, 12:12 PM) *
Would Gore accept - Nope

Just my opinion. Why have the more qualified person as VP?



Yup. And Gore said as much on Meet the Press on July 20. He said he would not be interested in the VP job.


No one is interested in it

He did NOT give the Sherman.

He most destinctly said he did not give the sherman.

besides- no one ever told MTP an advanced secret
Why would they?

Russert hated Al Gore...why in God's name (though Russert is not with God, but on the other side way below) would Al Gore tell
MTP who hated him (sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh) anything at all?
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2008 Invision Power Services, Inc.