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Intel
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=9879

One more example of a coward at his finest.



"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"
Intel
I'll sumarize for you

He made it all about him. All about how he’d look, about his image, perhaps about his future, his pathetic dream of running another inept campaign. What about his followers, who put their hearts into the campaign and were cheated of certainty so Mr. Kerry could bask in the goo-goo congratulations of the sappy and wrong-headed "spare the country" editorialists
farmerTom
Intel,
What do you suggest that our next course of action should be?
Intel
I suggest you face the facts that Kerry is a loser who is more concerned with his image than his supporters. Time for 3rd parties to make a comeback the democratic party has abbandoned their base and isn't even willing to fight for us anymore.


Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

-- George W. Bush (August 5, 2004)
Activisms
Yeah but there's never telling with Kerry.....Even when they're asleep at the wheel he is sending out webcasts to all his supporters saying we are fighting for transparent elections, so maybe the guy really is underground. Nobody else in the DNC is doing anything.....

I see the activists and Cliff Arneback, and those people as doing a better service for the community they are getting all the facts and judging the overall picture of Ohio's votes, Blackwell's crimes, the testimonies from programmers and others before they move in.
Intel
They better do something quick to have some senators show support for this effort or just expect to lose about 15 percent of their base in 2008 and have no chance to beat the Republicans. It's sick how they ignore the issue while we all have to fight day in and day out to try and get this thing uncovered. I seriously don't think John Kerry is on our side. He rides with coorperate America.
farmerTom
QUOTE(Intel @ Dec 11 2004, 11:50 PM)
They better do something quick to have some senators show support for this effort or just expect to lose about 15 percent of their base in 2008 and have no chance to beat the Republicans. It's sick how they ignore the issue while we all have to fight day in and day out to try and get this thing uncovered.  I seriously don't think John Kerry is on our side.  He rides with coorperate America.
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I think the Independents, the Liberals, the Green Party, the Democrats, and the left wing Republicans should join forces and take this country by storm!
chi
Intel,
I've decided your good for us. You get our fighting spirit up again. You voice some of our fears. I do not agree with you. I am still and will remain in Kerry's camp. Keep in mind the jury is still out.
amy
Intel, I appreciate the article you posted and the discussion it is generating! smile.gif

Nov. 2, was the perfect opportunity for Kerry to publically announce his concern for all American voters and their right to have their votes accurately cast and counted. A personal, televised announcement from Kerry and Edwards would have put the "spotlight" on fair voting practices and procedures, a non-partisan problem, in dire need of fixing. Also, it's not just a matter of fair voting in states where the vote count is close, ALL states, even those strongly red or blue, are in need of voting reform. Fair voting practices is not about the candidates, it is about the voters and their constitutional right to be able to vote and have their votes accurately counted. The opportunity was there, Kerry, for whatever reason, didn't seize the moment, and we will have to look elsewhere for a political figure to champion the cause. There are grassroots movements working on voter reform, but I feel that unless there is a respected "leader", someone to speak publically on behalf of the grassroots efforts, any reforms will fall short of the mark and will languish in a sea of state beaurocracy.
tnwycked
Some may not agree but I dont feel its about who won or lost anymore, its about the integrity of our election.

I cant say what was in Kerrys mind or heart or what is going on behind the scenes, but even if Kerry has given up completely, I still want this vote counted. I hope that Kerrys people are working behind the scenes but if they are not, then it still doesnt matter, what matters is every vote.

Im not fighting for Kerry anymore, Im fighting for my vote to be counted. If Kerry benefits from it... then thats fine but its not a priority to me, getting a fair and accurate election process is more important.
Dyan
QUOTE(tnwycked @ Dec 12 2004, 10:29 AM)
Some may not agree but I dont feel its about who won or lost anymore, its about the integrity of our election.

I cant say what was in Kerrys mind or heart or what is going on behind the scenes, but even if Kerry has given up completely, I still want this vote counted. I hope that Kerrys people are working behind the scenes but if they are not, then it still doesnt matter, what matters is every vote.

Im not fighting for Kerry anymore, Im fighting for my vote to be counted. If Kerry benefits from it...  then thats fine but its not a priority to me, getting a fair and accurate election process is more important.
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I agreee, whole heartedly! This is more........... much more, than who is sitting in the White House next January. If we have rigged elections, then it's tme for a (non-violent) second American revolution. Only this revolution is to save our country.
Vidar
Amen to that.
farmerTom
I think Kerry made a very logical decision, this is no longer an election matter, it's a criminal investigation. Until justice is brought to the people of the United States there will be no fair elections here.

This is a criminal investigation pertaining Treason and homicide......those are the biggies..... the groups being investigated are tied to international drug deals, money laundering, and political payoff to name a few.

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edowling
QUOTE(Activisms @ Dec 12 2004, 01:45 AM)
Yeah but there's never telling with Kerry.....Even when they're asleep at the wheel he is sending out webcasts to all his supporters saying we are fighting for transparent elections, so maybe the guy really is underground. Nobody else in the DNC is doing anything.....

I see the activists and Cliff Arneback, and those people as doing a better service for the community they are getting all the facts and judging the overall picture of Ohio's votes, Blackwell's crimes, the testimonies from programmers and others before they move in.
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I only got that one webcast asking for support for the healthcare plan for children, with a by-the-way we are still fighting for fair elections. I also met Cleff Arneback, and he is really fighting hard, and understands how all of us feel (and shows up to demonstrations, etc.). However, it is always possible for Kerry to turn around and give up, after he claimed that he was "reporting for duty" last summer. If he does give up, we must find others who will not. To me, this does not mean a third Party candidate, that is, until after there is a Constitutional Amendment to get rid of the winner-take-all electoral college system. With that in place, any third party liberal (or just less conservative) candidate would only be a spoiler for others, and would allow an even greater ideological take-over by the right-wing (if that is possible, but, they could get still more Senate and House seats, to the point where they could put forward not only Acts of Congress unopposed, but also Constitutional Amendments).

I am very angry at the DNC that they do not see that they are eating into their base, and causing a future third-party that will only dilute their vote. However, there might be one way for a third party to work: if they do not run in the general election, but use their power to endorse a Democrat candidate. (Please not Hilary; I would vote for a woman, but she especially had an opportunity to talk about vote fraud when the Clinton library opened, and she didn't say a peep. Instead, they invited all those Repubs and gave them the microphone. I will not vote for her. She really doesn't care.) If a third party endorses a democratic candidate, then the third party has the power to run its own campaign its own way, without DNC control, but while endorsing a candidate that will win.

Then, there must be a way to reach out to the members of churches... not all church members or leaders are lock-step Repubs. It is time to present the values found in feeding the poor and providing clean water. Pollution causes reproductive organ diseases like endometriosis that cause miscarriages (which in medical language are called abortions, any time a fetus doesn't make it to term). All that added pollution that the Repubs allow has caused millions of these unwanted abortions: much worse than unwanted pregnancies. That is one issue that should be shouted from the rooftops. And, why the poor felt more compelled with Repubs in power to have abortions, because they did not have jobs to support a family. And from there... most of the churches who voted for Bush only know about a few issues, but we need to reach them with all those things that Bush did and undid to the world. This is for the future... whether or not the count puts Kerry into office in January 2004. And again, I am very bothered that the Democratic Party hadn't been trying to reach out all along, indicating that, aside from the voter fraud issue, they need a greater sense of urgency about their job.
EVDebs
QUOTE(Intel @ Dec 12 2004, 12:50 AM)
They better do something quick to have some senators show support for this effort or just expect to lose about 15 percent of their base in 2008 and have no chance to beat the Republicans. It's sick how they ignore the issue while we all have to fight day in and day out to try and get this thing uncovered.  I seriously don't think John Kerry is on our side.  He rides with coorperate America.
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Cough, gag, gasp... And Bush doesn't ???? At least Kerry would have done something about corporate welfare, outsourcing ... With Bush we know we've been had.
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