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NiteOwl
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 19 2008, 02:14 PM) *
If it was necessary the United States military could still make hash out of Russia's armed services even in our "overstretched" position. Believe it or not, the Russians know this.


The Russians know they are at a tactical disadvantage in any war against the United States. They know that they could not win against our high-tech weaponry, but they also know that a few nukes can greatly level the playing field and I have little doubt that they would do so if pushed too far.

In any case, have a warmongering neo-con threatening Russia is not in our best interest or the best interest of anyone for that matter.

tazvil04
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 19 2008, 12:10 PM) *
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Aug 19 2008, 10:37 AM) *
Evan Bayh: No Memory of Neocon Iraq Liberation Committee





I have not heard directly from Senator Evan Bayh's office about the issue of his having co-chaired with John McCain and Joseph Lieberman the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq.

But I just ran across this admission by Senator Bayh that he has no recollection of the neoconservative operation to which his name was attached. He does admit that it was attached though -- just not sure how it got there.

From the Wall Street Journal:

Sen. Bayh now says he regrets his early support of the Iraq war and has no recollection of the committee. "I don't remember any meetings, any conversations, any anything," Sen. Bayh said in a telephone interview Tuesday. "Obviously my name was linked to it, but other than that there's nothing that can be said."
Senators are busy -- and they get signed up for all sorts of stuff by staffers who operate in their bosses' names. That's just the way the system works.

But this is the first time I've seen a US Senator who has probably done many things by name that he has no direct recollection of disown an act by declaring ignorance of it.

I take Senator Bayh at his word that he may not recall this high profile committee that garnered lots of press attention and had McCain, Lieberman, Scheunemann, James Woolsey and others attached.

But then I think that the Senator owes us an explanation of how his staff signed him up for this -- or how it happened. He should do an investigation of the action done in his name and then share the results publicly.

The "I don't remember this" explanation doesn't quite get over the big hump of how he could unknowingly become a co-helmsman of one of the most controversial NGOs tied to the clamor to invade Iraq.

-- Steve Clemons



whenever one of the sockpuppets starts to move the thread, I go back and read the thread

It was this post that brought marine onto the board hijacking the thread into something it wasn't

So this post has important info in it against Bayh, and as such, it is trying to be diverted

in my opinion


Its much ado about nothing Graham -- STILL LOOKING FOR THAT SCANADL THAT BAYH HAS BEEN A PART OF? cool.gif

We're not scared of these pictures Graham because as Arne noted they could be attached to anything -- they hold no relevance to Evan Bayh at all...

None. laugh.gif
tazvil04
QUOTE(NiteOwl @ Aug 19 2008, 12:22 PM) *
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 19 2008, 02:14 PM) *
If it was necessary the United States military could still make hash out of Russia's armed services even in our "overstretched" position. Believe it or not, the Russians know this.


The Russians know they are at a tactical disadvantage in any war against the United States. They know that they could not win against our high-tech weaponry, but they also know that a few nukes can greatly level the playing field and I have little doubt that they would do so if pushed too far.

In any case, have a warmongering neo-con threatening Russia is not in our best interest or the best interest of anyone for that matter.


And thus my thread on Bush recklessness starting a new cold war...

Arneoker
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Aug 19 2008, 03:07 PM) *
We're not scared of these pictures Graham because as Arne noted they could be attached to anything -- they hold no relevance to Evan Bayh at all...

None. laugh.gif

Yes.

We could attach them to Graham's next post and claim that they invalidate everything he says! In fact, they disqualify him from giving an opinion on the subject!
NiteOwl
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Aug 19 2008, 03:10 PM) *
QUOTE(NiteOwl @ Aug 19 2008, 12:22 PM) *
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 19 2008, 02:14 PM) *
If it was necessary the United States military could still make hash out of Russia's armed services even in our "overstretched" position. Believe it or not, the Russians know this.


The Russians know they are at a tactical disadvantage in any war against the United States. They know that they could not win against our high-tech weaponry, but they also know that a few nukes can greatly level the playing field and I have little doubt that they would do so if pushed too far.

In any case, have a warmongering neo-con threatening Russia is not in our best interest or the best interest of anyone for that matter.


And thus my thread on Bush recklessness starting a new cold war...


And having GI John McCain thumping his chest ala Tarzan doesn't help.

McCain mocks the seriousness of the situation with his misplaced machismo.
graham4anything
Al Gore was chosen to close the convention on Thursday with a major appearance

That means Obama thought he needed something to clean up the stink of the Clinton's again
(who better than Al Gore)

so why the nuck would he name a Clinton person?

God, any reasonable person would see Gore-Carter-Kennedy-Kerry and Dean did not do all they did just to give it to the Clinton's again.
How dense are some people???

I swear y'all only do this to bother me.
tazvil04
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 19 2008, 01:19 PM) *
Al Gore was chosen to close the convention on Thursday with a major appearance

That means Obama thought he needed something to clean up the stink of the Clinton's again
(who better than Al Gore)

so why the nuck would he name a Clinton person?

God, any reasonable person would see Gore-Carter-Kennedy-Kerry and Dean did not do all they did just to give it to the Clinton's again.
How dense are some people???

I swear y'all only do this to bother me.


Wait a second -- Kerry is a Clinton man all the way...and a member of the DLC or at least was...

Do you research anything you write about or just wing it?

And Al Gore was in the DLC until his 2000 campaign..and who knows if that wasn't just rhetoric to get elected with all of the boards he serves on now...

And Jimmy Carter was a moderate who beat back candidates from the left ---

Unmasking the DLC
Posted January 22, 2007 | 03:05 PM (EST)


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Read More: Democratic Party, John Kerry, Iraq, Stan Goff, Chuck Robb, Tennessee, Al Gore, Al From, Sam Nunn, Georgia, Virginia, Jimmy Carter , Breaking Politics News


Political strategy until 2008

Few things will be as important between now and the election primaries of 2008 as making sure the public knows about the Democratic Leadership Council. Teaching the public about the role and methods of this powerful clique of Democratic Party operatives could easily be the difference between a Democratic Party that calls for an end to the war in Iraq and one that doesn't.

A strategic imperative for the antiwar movement must be to push for the defeat of any and all DLC supported candidates, and to expose and eviscerate the power of this ruling class committee. This is possible using the communications media available to popular forces through the internet, and combining this networking capacity with aggressive grassroots education efforts.

Black Commentator editor Bruce Dixon:

The DLC is the corporate-funded right wing of the Democratic Party. It was founded in the mid 1980s by a small group of mostly white, male, largely southern Democratic politicians, corporate lobbyists and fundraisers. The original clique included Tennessee Congressman Al Gore, Senators Chuck Robb of Virginia and Sam Nunn of Georgia, and Al From, a former political operative from the Jimmy Carter Administration. To them, the Democratic Party had become too open to the political voices of African Americans and Latinos, too respectful of the rights of working Americans and the labor movement, too responsive to the justice, peace and environmental movements.
Joseph Kay writes:

The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) held its annual convention in Columbus, Ohio, last weekend, outlining its program for the upcoming 2006 mid-term elections and the presidential election in 2008. Speeches at the meeting and documents published in advance indicate that the Democratic Party plans to run an extremely right-wing campaign, particularly on the issues of "national security" and the war in Iraq.
Sean Donahue wrote in 2004:

Most of the major contributors to John Kerry's presidential campaign are corporations or employees of corporations that have ties to a network of organizations dedicated to moving the Democratic Party to the right. These organizations, which include the Democratic Leadership Council, the New Democrat Network, and the Progressive Policy Institute, are dedicated to pursuing a policy agenda that includes support for high levels of military spending and an aggressive role for the U.S. military around the world. Kerry has a history of political links to these organizations as well, and though he has been using progressive rhetoric during his campaign, the details and nuances of his positions indicate that Kerry is still dedicated to pursuing their conservative agenda.
Still wonder why Kerry refused to oppose the war?

In 2003, Ralph Nader wrote:

To the DLC mind, Democrats are catering to "special interests" when they stand up for trade unions, regulatory consumer-investor protections, a pre-emptive peace policy overseas, pruning the bloated military budget now devouring fully half of the federal government's entire discretionary expenditures, defending Social Security from Wall Street schemes, and pressing for universal health care coverage.
So right-wing is the DLC, mounted imperiously on their sagging Party, that even opposing Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, that cause huge federal deficits and program cuts in necessities such as health, education, environmental protection and children well-being, is considered ultra-liberal and contrary to winning campaigns.

"Special interests" to the DLC means defending the rights of African-Americans, Hispanics, blue-collar workers, and securing the full day in court for wrongfully injured Americans. Being serious about consumer justice and environmental protection also raises DLC's eyebrows.


These pieces of corporate "expletive deleted" boast 40 members in the US House of Representatives and 20 members of the Senate; and a bunch slid in during the 2006 anti-Republican vote against the US aggression in Iraq. Now that one message has been sent in 2006, another has to be prepared for 2008. If you're in the DLC, you won't get a vote from me.

It will be hard, because the DLC - with its head firmly up Wall Street's ass - can raise enormous sums of money for political campaigns. That's why the control all but 6 members of the US Senate's Democratic "majority."

Right Web has an excellent profile of the DLC and its Vichy-"progressive" think-tank, the Progressive Policy Institute.

The DLC sees its main task in the coming period as marginalizing other Democrats who are not DLC-obedience-trained.

For many of us, telling the public about this front for the transnational corporations is our task for the coming period.

NNDB has a list of these turds for those who need to check out their own "representation."

STOP THE DLC!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stan-goff/un...lc_b_39287.html

tazvil04
QUOTE(NiteOwl @ Aug 19 2008, 01:13 PM) *
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Aug 19 2008, 03:10 PM) *
QUOTE(NiteOwl @ Aug 19 2008, 12:22 PM) *
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 19 2008, 02:14 PM) *
If it was necessary the United States military could still make hash out of Russia's armed services even in our "overstretched" position. Believe it or not, the Russians know this.


The Russians know they are at a tactical disadvantage in any war against the United States. They know that they could not win against our high-tech weaponry, but they also know that a few nukes can greatly level the playing field and I have little doubt that they would do so if pushed too far.

In any case, have a warmongering neo-con threatening Russia is not in our best interest or the best interest of anyone for that matter.


And thus my thread on Bush recklessness starting a new cold war...


And having GI John McCain thumping his chest ala Tarzan doesn't help.

McCain mocks the seriousness of the situation with his misplaced machismo.


One would think as distinguished as his service was that he would stop bouncing around like a clown --- but as you suggest he makes jokes like Bush out of the dumbest thing -- his Bomb Bomb Iran commnet was probably worse than Bush's axis of evil comment...

You don;t make fun of something like that...
tazvil04
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Aug 19 2008, 01:11 PM) *
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Aug 19 2008, 03:07 PM) *
We're not scared of these pictures Graham because as Arne noted they could be attached to anything -- they hold no relevance to Evan Bayh at all...

None. laugh.gif

Yes.

We could attach them to Graham's next post and claim that they invalidate everything he says! In fact, they disqualify him from giving an opinion on the subject!


We could do that -- but then he would accuse us of being a part of the Bush - Clinton - Bayh - Cheney - Scrooge - Wicked Witch of the West - Yosemite Sam - Wiley Coyote plot to take over the world...

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tazvil04
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Aug 19 2008, 01:31 PM) *
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Aug 19 2008, 01:11 PM) *
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Aug 19 2008, 03:07 PM) *
We're not scared of these pictures Graham because as Arne noted they could be attached to anything -- they hold no relevance to Evan Bayh at all...

None. laugh.gif

Yes.

We could attach them to Graham's next post and claim that they invalidate everything he says! In fact, they disqualify him from giving an opinion on the subject!


We could do that -- but then he would accuse us of being a part of the Bush - Clinton - Bayh - Cheney - Scrooge - Wicked Witch of the West - Yosemite Sam - Wiley Coyote plot to take over the world...

Rofl2.gif


What am I thinking I left out the Tasmanian Devil...
graham4anything
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=67248155229

100,000 Strong Against Evan Bayh for VPGlobalInformation
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Description: Obama's judgment about the war was the central tenet of one of the two best arguments for his earning the Democratic nomination. His offering a break from Old Washington was the other.

Choosing Evan Bayh, a career legacy politician who fell hook, line, and sinker for the administration's case for a disastrous war and dragged much of our party with him, would undermine both.

The Obama campaign will be deciding its VP in the next day or two - they may have already, but if they haven't, they are listening for feedback from people like us. This is a moment where we could really make a difference.

Let's grow this group to 100,000 in a day and send a clear message to the Obama campaign that Evan Bayh is not the right choice for Vice President.
tazvil04
August 19, 2008, 2:16 pm
It’s Biden, Unless It’s Clinton, Unless It’s…
By Tobin Harshaw
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/...ts/?ref=opinion
Tags: Barack Obama, vice president

While my colleagues at The Caucus report that Democratic delegates are leaning toward wanting Barack Obama to give Hillary Clinton the vice presidential nod,
Beltway conventional wisdom is coalescing elsewhere. “Within the last few hours I’ve spoken with two of the finalists for the role of Barack Obama’s running-mate, and to two other sources who are close to the process,” reports Howard Fineman of NBC News.
“My bottom line is this: Barring a big surprise or last-minute change of heart, the choice is likely to be Sen. Joe Biden of Deleware, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. He is a lively and feisty if unpredictable campaigner with working-class roots and a street-level feel for the hot spots of the globe — which he can use to go toe-to-toe with Sen. John McCain.”
“Just in case Fineman is off target, we can look at last week’s Sunday shows for clues,’ adds The Christian Science Monitor’s Jimmy Orr.
“These shows they say are auditions for the big job. And if that’s the case we’re looking at Evan Bayh, Tim Kaine and Georgia President Mikheil Saakashvili.”
Obama-Saakashvili? Well, that certainly wouldn’t be politics as usual. As for a more likely suspect, Senator Bayh, Bloomberg’s Timothy J. Burger sees clouds on the horizon.
Indiana Senator Evan Bayh, on a short list of Democrat Barack Obama’s possible running mates, may face questions about potential conflicts of interest from his wife’s work on seven corporate boards that paid her more than $837,000 last year.
Susan Bayh, a lawyer, is a director at Indianapolis-based WellPoint Inc., which is part of a medical research partnership awarded a $24.7 million federal grant in May after Evan Bayh and his Indiana colleagues in Congress recommended the group to the National Institutes of Health.
She’s on the board of E*Trade Bank, a subsidiary of E*Trade Financial Corp., while her husband sits on the Senate Banking Committee. Susan Bayh is lead director at Emmis Communications Corp., an Indianapolis radio-station operator that published Evan Bayh’s 2003 memoir.
“When you’re vetting a vice president and his wife is on seven boards, that is a serious question of conflict of interest on a whole variety of issues,'’ said James Thurber, director of American University’s Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies in Washington.
Hmmm, last I checked, Democratic delegates didn’t seem to have much trouble with the idea of selecting a V.P. whose spouse has all sorts of tangled private-sector ties …

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April 4, 2008, 4:44 pm
Clintons Say They Earned $109 Million Since 2000
By Jayson K. Jones and Ana C. Rosado

Updated | 6:11 p.m. Former President Bill Clinton and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton earned a combined $109 million between 2000 and 2007 and paid $33.8 million in federal taxes, according to tax information released Friday by Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign.

The former president has earned $51,855,599 from speeches since leaving the White House. In 2007 alone, former President Clinton earned more than $10 million in speaking fees. The income from his two books, “My Life” and “Giving,” totals $29.6 million. Senator Clinton earned $10.5 million in book income over the period from her book “Living History.” They donated more than $10,000,000 to charities over the past eight years, according to the summary from the campaign.

The extent of Mr. Clinton’s income from speeches since leaving the White House has been a matter of public record because it must be reported each year on Mrs. Clinton’s financial disclosure filings with the Senate. But the tax returns illuminate another source of income, never before revealed, which Mr. Clinton has received from his partnership with Ronald W. Burkle, the billionaire investor and supermarket magnate.

Mr. Clinton collected at least $12.6 million since 2002, and possibly as much as $15.3 million, from his work as an adviser and rainmaker for Mr. Burkle’s Yucaipa Companies. The lack of clarity is because the Clintons released only a summary of their income for 2007, which lists $2.7 million in partnership income but does not identify the sources. Based on previous years’ returns, it is likely that income came from Yucaipa.

Since 2002, the former president has provided investment advice and helped drum up business for several domestic and foreign funds in Yucaipa’s portfolio, one of two consulting arrangements he entered into after leaving office. Representatives of the Clintons have said that Mr. Clinton has made arrangements to dissolve his Yucaipa partnership if his wife wins the nomination, in order to avoid possible ethical conflicts.

The other consulting contract Mr. Clinton has had was with InfoUSA, a consumer database company run by a Clinton friend, Vinod Gupta, who gave $3.3 million in consulting contracts to Mr. Clinton beginning in 2003, according to court records related to a shareholder lawsuit against Mr. Gupta. The shareholders accused Mr. Gupta of improperly spending company money on the consulting agreements and on private jet travel for Mr. and Mrs. Clinton.

It is not clear from the tax returns exactly how much Mr. Clinton earned from InfoUSA each year, but a summary of the Clintons’ income from 2007 released by Mrs. Clinton’s campaign said Mr. Clinton was paid $400,000 by InfoUSA that year.

Senator Clinton has been under pressure to release her tax returns, particularly from Senator Barack Obama, who posted his 2000 to 2006 returns on his campaign Web site last week. He said he will release his 2007 returns later this month. Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, has not released his returns.

Although there is no legal requirement that candidates release their tax returns, it has been common practice since the ’70s. A release typically occurs after a candidate becomes a party nominee, not in the primaries.

The returns provide the most detailed look at the Clintons’ finances since 2000, when they last made their returns public. At that time they reported an adjusted gross income of $416,000.

More on this to come, as we examine the documents. In the meantime, dig in and let us know what you find.
tazvil04
What Would Bayh V.P. Nod Do to Other Indiana Races in November?
Just as I sugggestd -- Bayh as VP could help IN elect their first woman Governor...

Story Published: Aug 16, 2008 at 6:46 PM EDT

Story Updated: Aug 16, 2008 at 6:46 PM EDT

http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/27052214.html

By Jeff Neumeyer

Watch the story
FORT WAYNE, IN (Indiana's NewsCenter) --- The suspense is building for Indiana Democrats: will Evan Bayh be picked as Barack Obama's Vice-Presidential running mate?

If it happens, it could have a trickle down effect on other political races in the Hoosier state.

Speculation that Bayh might get the V.P. nod during an Obama visit to Elkhart ten days ago, turned out to be premature.

But most political experts admit Bayh is on a very short list of candidates for the number two slot on the democratic ticket, something that would shine a spotlight on his home state.

Charles Rose/Bristol, Indiana: " As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter, because I'm not voting that way anyways. But yeah, I think it would, because he's from Indiana."

Andy Freimuth doesn't like Obama, but he sees benefit to Bayh being in the mix.

Andy Freimuth/Fort Wayne Voter: " I would like to see both candidates pay attention to Indiana and care what we think, yes, very much so."

NEUMEYER: " The thought of a Hoosier in the Vice-Presidential discussion, is not that far fetched. Remember what happened 20 years ago."

Vice-President Dan Quayle brought attention to Indiana, though not always the right kind.

He and Indiana endured routine criticism from the national media.

Tracy Shaw/Huntington: " I don't really think a lot of Dan Quayle's criticism was justified, you know, if you can't spell potato, what's that got to do with really running the government. So, no, I don't really worry about that coming around again."

Fort Wayne's mayor is convinced Obama-Bayh would make Indiana a blue state in the Presidential election for the first time since 1964, and he says the coattails would be long.

Mayor Tom Henry/(D) Fort Wayne: " People like Mike Montagano running for Congress against Mark Souder, certainly Jill Long-Thompson running for Governor. It could have a tremendous effect on their races as well."

It's still speculation for now, but that may change when Obama makes his choice in a matter of days.
graham4anything
she is losing the race

and the senate will lose a blue seat
tazvil04
The hypocrisy against Evan Bayh is incredible IMHO...

Bayh is opposed because he voted for the Iraq war -- so did Biden...

Bayh is opposed because he is too much of an establishment candidate -- well so is Biden...

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Why The Evan Bayh VP Reverse Draft Matters
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-boyce/...e_b_119234.html

Four years ago, on the day before the VP Selection, I sat at The Four Seasons in a room with John Edwards, Fred Baron and Cam Kerry. The process was near the end and it had been a very tightly guarded process and despite being asked a million times, I had no idea who John Kerry was going to pick -- and in fact, no one did till we found out what name was going on the plane.

Four years ago, the Democratic base, those outside the inner circle of the campaign- didn't really have a voice or means to express and organize- but the events of the past four days show how far the world has changed, for the better I believe.

Barack Obama has been willing and quite smart in his use of new technologies but the same technologies that have enabled him to raise hundreds of millions of dollars have also this week given momentum and voice to Democrats who do not want Evan Bayh to be the Vice Presidential Nominee.

I feel our concerns are valid.

Choosing Evan Bayh would damage the message of change that Senator Obama was been pounding on America for over a year now. Choosing Evan Bayh, not only a supporter of the war but a leading proponent of the war, would diminish the ticket's stance on Iraq.

In years past, thousands of Democrats, isolated in their homes or offices, would have expressed frustration with the potential of a Bayh choice, but this week, we saw what technology can do.

Four years ago, the Huffington Post didn't exist.

Earlier this week, I wrote a post here "The Irony Of Evan Bayh's Name Texted To My Phone."

Other bloggers, at the same time or even earlier started to write as well. Ari Melber, Steve Clemons and more -- together, our voice started to grow.

Max Bernstein, our political director here at Common Sense NMS, put up a Facebook Group, another tool that was a non-factor in 2004- - 100,000 Strong Against Evan Bayh For VP.

That group was launched on Tuesday, hitting 1,000 people in the first day. Another 1,000 yesterday and is now over 3,000. 3,000 people willing to show their name and face and send a message to Senator Obama.

At this point, the narrative moved to what some circles would consider more traditional outlets.

The New York Times picked it up.

The Washington Post picked it up.

And finally, the tone of the conversation changed, as the title of this article from the San Francisco Chronicle's web site clearly shows: Will Obama Wave Bye to Bayh?

Add to that three radio appearances, two by Max yesterday and one by me, on
The Mario Solis Marich Show. And you have a narrative forming.

The question is now, what happens? We've seen more talk about Joe Biden, Wes Clark and even Al Gore over the past 24 hours then we've seen in the last few weeks.

Clearly, the decision remains, and always was Senator Obama's. But now instead of hearing from only those close to him, only those inside the beltway, he now has heard from thousands of people outside that circle. The question is, will he listen.

We'll find out next week.

August 19, 2008, 3:21 PM
Obama-Biden '08?
Posted by Brian Montopoli| 8

According to the New York Times, the New York Daily News and others, Barack Obama is primarily focused on three men as his search for a running mate draws to a close this week: Indiana Senator Evan Bayh, Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, and Delaware Senator Joseph Biden.

Biden is perhaps the name with the most buzz at the moment, thanks in part to his foreign policy bona fides, which were recently showcased during his high profile trip to Georgia and call for aid to the country.

"Barring a big surprise or last-minute change of heart, the choice is likely to be Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee," Howard Fineman wrote on MSNBC today. Time's Mark Halperin is also suggesting Biden will join Obama on the ticket. And Obama mentioned Biden in a speech today, further fueling speculation.

Now we are getting a preview of how Republicans might target the ticket should Biden get the nod. Earlier today, the Republican National Committee sent around a blog post from Politico's Ben Smith showing a Biden ad from 1988.

It opens with an announcer saying this: "The White House isn't the place to learn how to deal with international crisis, the balance of power, war and peace, and the economic future of the next generation. A President has got to know the territory, but that's not enough."

That sounds not unlike some of the criticism leveled at Obama, a relative newcomer to the political scene, both by Republicans and former rival Hillary Clinton. Should Biden join Obama on the ticket, it's likely that Republicans will push this line of attack – particularly since they can link it to his running mate.

Biden is also taking some heat in the liberal blogosphere. In a post yesterday, Markos at Daily Kos questioned Biden's judgment because the Delaware senator voted for the war.

"It strikes me that any pick designed to cover up a 'flaw' in Obama (i.e. 'lack of foreign policy credentials') only accentuates those flaws," Kos writes of Biden. "Make him secretary of state."

Kos also picks up on one purported problem with Biden – that his long tenure in Washington makes him a bad fit with Obama's message.

"I'd love to see him pick a fresh face in politics who reinforces Obama's message of change," he writes. "Biden doesn't."


Obama is expected to announce his running mate to supporters late Friday and appear with him at the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Illinois on Saturday.

Delaware State Election Commissioner Elaine Manlove told CBSNews.com this afternoon that Biden, who is up for reelection this year, "can run for both seats" if he becomes the vice presidential nominee.

She said the state's governor, who is sworn in on the same day as the president, would appoint a replacement for Biden should he win Senate reelection and the vice presidency. (Ruth Ann Minner, a Democrat, is presently the state's governor.) Whomever the governor appoints would serve a two year term.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/08/19/po...ry4364332.shtml

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Washington - Less than a week before the Democratic nominating convention, one question remains on people's minds above all: Who will Barack Obama pick as his running mate?Speculation has been rampant for weeks among US media outlets, but there is still no consensus on who will get the nod. Obama has promised to let his supporters know first - via text message and email - and could reach a decision this week.

The choice of running mate is typically used to shore up perceived weaknesses in a candidate's qualifications for the top job, or to gain the White House hopeful additional support in a battleground state that both parties are competitive in.

Republican rival John McCain is likely to announce his pick only after the Democratic Party convention, which runs from August 25-28 in Denver, Colorado. Media reports suggest McCain will make his announcement on August 29, three days before the start of the Republican Party convention in St Paul, Minnesota.

For Obama, who will be the first African American ever to be nominated by a major political party, there are a number of key voter concerns that may be allayed with his choice. A lawyer by trade who was elected to the US Senate in 2004, Obama lacks executive experience, as well as a strong background in economics and foreign policy.

None of these requirements narrows the Democratic field of possibilities. The top picks include - but are not limited to - the following names:

Hillary Clinton, 65, who lost to Obama in one of the tightest and longest Democratic nomination races in recent history. The so-called "Dream Ticket" would help unify the party and shore up support among working class, older and female voters that supported the former first lady. Still a polarizing figure in the Democratic Party, the likelihood of an Obama-Clinton ticket has dwindled since she suspended her campaign in June.

Joe Biden, 65, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a former presidential candidate, would bring a wealth of foreign policy experience to the Democratic ticket. A party leader and Delaware senator since 1972, Biden could blunt Obama's anti- establishment message. His outspoken style and controversies that have followed could also detract attention from Obama before November.

Evan Bayh, 52, a popular senator and former governor of Indiana, has a reputation as a moderate, fiscally conservative Democrat. Serving on banking and armed services committees in the Senate, Bayh brings limited foreign policy credentials. But his executive experience and an economic background could help as the US flirts with a recession. His initial, vocal support for the war in Iraq could harm Obama's long-touted anti-war stance.

Tim Kaine, 50, governor of Virginia since 2006, could help Obama carry a state the Democrats have not won in 44 years. A rising star in the Democratic Party and co-chair of Obama's presidential campaign, Kaine is another Washington outsider that would solidify Obama's message of "change." Kaine brings little experience to the ticket outside of Virginia politics.

Bill Richardson, 60, governor of New Mexico and a former presidential candidate, would help shore up support among Hispanics and voters in some western states, but a Democratic ticket with two minority candidates is unlikely. Richardson has the broadest set of experience of any contender, serving as United Nations ambassador, energy secretary, congressman and two-term governor.

Kathleen Sebelius, 60, a governor of Kansas since 2003, brings an executive background and could help garner support among female voters that backed Clinton in the primaries. Sebelius could also help Obama win some Midwestern states, but has a low national profile. Other observers suggest that any woman candidate other than Clinton would only infuriate her erstwhile supporters.

Some other possible candidates for the ticket include Wesley Clark, a former NATO commander and 2004 presidential hopeful who would bolster Obama's military and foreign policy credentials.

Chris Dodd, a long-time Connecticut senator and leading economic voice in the party, has also been on the list. Dodd chairs the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee and co-sponsored a massive housing rescue package passed by Congress this summer.

A long shot is Republican Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, a vocal critic of the war in Iraq who accompanied Obama on his recent trip to the Middle East. Hagel would embody Obama's call for bipartisanship in US politics.
tazvil04
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 19 2008, 02:50 PM) *
she is losing the race

and the senate will lose a blue seat


Not with Bayh on the ticket...
tazvil04
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 19 2008, 02:50 PM) *
she is losing the race

and the senate will lose a blue seat


Not with Bayh on the ticket...
heart
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 19 2008, 01:19 PM) *
I swear y'all only do this to bother me.

Rofl2.gif
Well......only once in a while my dear....only once or twice a week for good measure Rofl2.gif Rofl2.gif
Marine
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 19 2008, 02:19 PM) *
I swear y'all only do this to bother me.

Yeeee-Haaaaaaaaaaa

I've got Graham talking with a Southern accent.

There's hope for the boy yet, Y'all!
rla
In my opinion, the above piece on the DLC is the best current statement of the Problem. I have been operating under the assumption that Obama's defeat of Clinton meant the DLC had lost its
power to control the DNC...to what extent is the battle still going on underground?
graham4anything
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Aug 19 2008, 05:04 PM) *
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 19 2008, 02:50 PM) *
she is losing the race

and the senate will lose a blue seat


Not with Bayh on the ticket...


your wrong
graham4anything
QUOTE(tazvil04 @ Aug 19 2008, 05:04 PM) *
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 19 2008, 02:50 PM) *
she is losing the race

and the senate will lose a blue seat


Not with Bayh on the ticket...


your wrong here too
heart
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 19 2008, 04:01 PM) *
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 19 2008, 02:19 PM) *
I swear y'all only do this to bother me.

Yeeee-Haaaaaaaaaaa

I've got Graham talking with a Southern accent.

There's hope for the boy yet, Y'all!

clap.gif After how many years? beer.gif Congratulations and strike up the band bandcntry.gif Think of all the things we have had to put up wtih, and think of what we have put him through! spank.gif I'm not sure a "Y'all" is enough. Can we get a double negative or two? How bout a "do you not do"? Naahh, I guess a Y'all will be enough for one day hot.gif

tazvil04
QUOTE(heart @ Aug 19 2008, 05:01 PM) *
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 19 2008, 04:01 PM) *
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 19 2008, 02:19 PM) *
I swear y'all only do this to bother me.

Yeeee-Haaaaaaaaaaa

I've got Graham talking with a Southern accent.

There's hope for the boy yet, Y'all!

clap.gif After how many years? beer.gif Congratulations and strike up the band bandcntry.gif Think of all the things we have had to put up wtih, and think of what we have put him through! spank.gif I'm not sure a "Y'all" is enough. Can we get a double negative or two? How bout a "do you not do"? Naahh, I guess a Y'all will be enough for one day hot.gif


clap.gif

Well, howdee doo Graham...
tazvil04
QUOTE(rla @ Aug 19 2008, 04:22 PM) *
In my opinion, the above piece on the DLC is the best current statement of the Problem. I have been operating under the assumption that Obama's defeat of Clinton meant the DLC had lost its
power to control the DNC...to what extent is the battle still going on underground?


Not to disappoint y'all -- but I have been telling you that Obama is pretty close to being a member of the DLC policy wise - while not being an actual member...for some time now.

Obama is a middle of the road Democrat.

The only liberal approach he has is on the war --- but even on social issues -- he demands personal responsibility --- he is not a left winger as the media and GOP contend...

Pay attention folks or you Obama supporters who expect him to be Jesse Jackson, Dennis Kucinich or Barbara Boxer will be sorely disappointed...

tazvil04
QUOTE(Marine @ Aug 19 2008, 04:01 PM) *
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 19 2008, 02:19 PM) *
I swear y'all only do this to bother me.

Yeeee-Haaaaaaaaaaa

I've got Graham talking with a Southern accent.

There's hope for the boy yet, Y'all!


He must be watching too much Paula Dean on the Food Network... cool.gif
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