My prediction is that Obama will choose Bayh, despite the current buzz around Joe Biden, for reasons I have already listed in other threads.

OBAMA KAINE
OK

ok with me

my final predictions-

Al Gore for Obama (If Obama is free)
Hillary Clinton for Obama (if Obama is not free)
Rudy Giuliani for McCain (if McCain is free)
Tim Pawlenty for McCain(If McCain is not free)

If Obama is not free, then nothing will ever change. Might as well all start packing our bags and
deciding if we are going to board the trains to the showers of the concentration camps, or go elsewhere.

If a neo-con is picked for Obama (like BildenbergerBayh), look for Obama44 to be taken out shortly after and Hillary will be named Cpt.Blayh's VP,
after which VinceFoster will happen to CaptBlayh45(you know the Clinton's and how they operate), and Hillary46 in the spirit of bipartisianship will then take Jeb47,who will come flying in and look for war
to reign forever, with 100million people killed, how many little innocent babies with blood everywhere???
Someone here picking Bayh cuz he is so blandly cute(though I think he is plumbdumbugly) is akin to picking Bushin 2000 cuz he didn't sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
How freakin' vapid is that??????????????????????????????????????????
Guess we shall see

It would be wilder than Dallas.(the TV show).


now I hope its not this morning as I will not be online til I return...toodles.............

found this then gotta scoot...

from kos of dailykos himself
I agree with this 100% biden only looks good compared to blah...

(and boy, I would love if it were Kerry...give the blackbox people some hope...and avenge both 2000 and 2004 if it ain't Gore)

Biden
by kos
Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:21:17 PM PDT
Josh Marshall says:

On the other hand, wholly separate from the cosmetics and electioneering calculus, I think he'd be a good choice. On substance, maybe a really good choice. Most senators grasp of foreign policy is fairly thin -- and it tends to be heavily influenced by whatever lobbyists or power players are in their orbit. But Biden has a pretty deep knowledge of pretty much every big foreign policy question. And his ideas and judgment strike me as fundamentally sane.

Judgment? Biden voted for the Iraq war. But beyond that, even if we stipulate that he has foreign policy chops, how does that make him a good veep choice? It strikes me that any pick designed to cover up a "flaw" in Obama (i.e. "lack of foreign policy credentials") only accentuates those flaws. Make him secretary of state.

Sure, compared to Bayh and Kaine, Biden looks almost passable, but that's a low hurdle to pass. I'd rather not have to choose my poison. I'd rather have candy.

I'm already assuming disappointment on Obama's pick, so I won't belabor one bad choice or another. But I'd love to see him pick a fresh face in politics who reinforces Obama's message of change. Biden doesn't. Clinton doesn't. Bayh certainly doesn't. If holding out for Sebelius is too much to ask for, and if Obama is going to pick a guy that has been around for decades, then pick Kerry. Or even Daschle.

But the senator from MBNA? That choice would be exciting to perhaps two audiences -- the Broderites and the credit card industry.

Permalink :: Discuss (507 comments)

and one comment from the 507 many-

No matter who Obama picks
I think over half of DKos will have a problem with that man/woman. Unless it's Gore, then maybe it'll be less than half.

by Dark Ranger on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:53:10 PM PDT

Excellent point Pegatha, I had forgotten about that.

Joe could counter talk of his cheating with references to his son -- McCain will make a big deal out of his son serving...with Obama and Biden able to counter...that will be important...

I still think Biden weakens the ticket because there is no noted economic experience but if that is his choice -- I will abide with Biden...

good post...

One of Graham's double super secret posts has counted him out...

I say phooey...

We'll see.

You say hello, and I say BayhI'm down with the general consensus that none of Barack Obama's available choices -- expected choices; there exists the chance that it'll be someone none of us have thought of -- is a game-changer. So I still think Evan Bayh is the best veep choice for these reasons:

1. He's a boring, white, middle-American. I mean very boring and very middle-American and very white. For an "exotic" candidate, these are good things to have in a running mate. They reassure the average white voter that maybe Obama won't be turning the government over to Al Sharpton after all.

2. Relatedly, look at this picture of Bayh's family. Then imagine the Obama and Bayh families on stages together, in Denver and beyond. It's p.r. gold.

3. He was a big Clinton supporter, so it would be a fence-mending move.

4. Indiana is in play, and it's a big prize -- 13 electoral votes. If Obama/Bayh could steal Indiana, it's very hard to see McCain winning. And Bayh is very popular there.

5. He has experience and yet is still young enough to fit into the new generation mold.

6. They like him in Broderland. Would play pretty well with the pundits.

There are downsides, as there are to anyone. But I stack up the plusses and minuses of each of the remaining ones and I still come out with Bayh on top. But two or three others would be just fine, and people obsess over this way too much.


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THE POST FROM YESTERDAY

Stop with your trash personal insult talk taz and beamer. Not very civil.

What a hypocrite beamer- you rail against the democrats in the senate, then you HOPE the democrats lose a seat solely so you can yap the next four years.
How trite.
If you say you don't want war, but vote for AIPAC's #2 man after Lieberman, how hypocritical is that?????? (like d'uh)........
If you didn't vote for Gore - EVERYTHING the last 8 years is those people's fault. EVERYTHING.So YOU must want war to continue.
Ya's can't have it both ways.

BTW- why isn't Obama doing better? Because HIS FIRM BASE DOESN'T LIKE HIM PANDERING TO PEOPLE WHO GOT US INTO THE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE
SO LOSE THE BASE, YOU GOT NOTHING AT ALL.

IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT THE TWO OF YOU IF OBAMA LOSES BECAUSE THE CORE BASE DON'T VOTE.

I WON'T VOTE FOR BAYH.

look at the family picture of the EDwards, how happy and lovey dovey
WHAT IS IN EVAN'S CLOSET (AND THE PUN IS INTENDED) that would ruin the happy picture
ENQUIRING MINDS ALREADY KNOW

My son said that he doesn't like John McCain because McCain came into "my house" and took $1 million from him. My wife told him not to say such foolish things.

But at least my son was funny and didn't insult any of his friends.

I think this is a red herring. I think if need be she would resign her seats...

Bayh's Running-Mate Chances May Be Hurt by Wife's Board Seats

By Timothy J. Burger

Aug. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Indiana Senator Evan Bayh, on a short list of Democrat Barack Obama's possible running mates, may face questions about potential conflicts of interest from his wife's work on seven corporate boards that paid her more than $837,000 last year.

Susan Bayh, a lawyer, is a director at Indianapolis-based WellPoint Inc., which is part of a medical research partnership awarded a $24.7 million federal grant in May after Evan Bayh and his Indiana colleagues in Congress recommended the group to the National Institutes of Health.

She's on the board of E*Trade Bank, a subsidiary of E*Trade Financial Corp., while her husband sits on the Senate Banking Committee. Susan Bayh is lead director at Emmis Communications Corp., an Indianapolis radio-station operator that published Evan Bayh's 2003 memoir.

``When you're vetting a vice president and his wife is on seven boards, that is a serious question of conflict of interest on a whole variety of issues,'' said James Thurber, director of American University's Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies in Washington.

Evan Bayh has gone ``above and beyond what is required under Senate ethics rules'' to prevent possible conflicts, forbidding his staff to communicate with lobbyists for companies where his wife is a director, Bayh's spokesman Eric Kleiman said.

No Lobbying Contact

``There is a wall preventing any and all lobbying contact,'' and Susan Bayh isn't a lobbyist, Kleiman said. ``Spouses of public servants deserve the opportunity to pursue success in their chosen fields of endeavor.''

Bayh, 52, the son of former Indiana Senator Birch Bayh, is considered a leading prospect to be Obama's running mate. After two terms as governor of traditionally Republican Indiana, he has been elected twice to the Senate.

Susan Bayh, 48, isn't the first spouse to face political questions about corporate boards. Michelle Obama, who made $101,000 in 2006 as a director of TreeHouse Foods Inc., quit the suburban Chicago company's board last year. TreeHouse's biggest customer is Wal-Mart Inc., a target of criticism from labor unions. New York Senator Hillary Clinton was on Wal-Mart's board when her husband, Bill Clinton, was governor of Arkansas.

`Smell Test'

While it isn't inherently unethical for Senate spouses to join corporate boards, concerns may arise if companies and lawmakers are in positions to benefit from the connections, said Bill Buzenberg, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity. ``It doesn't pass the ethical smell test,'' Buzenberg said.

WellPoint, which paid Susan Bayh almost $335,000 last year, is the biggest U.S. health-insurance company by membership as Obama's campaign promises to push for universal health-care coverage. WellPoint spent $890,000 lobbying Congress and the Bush administration in the three months ended June 30, according to disclosure forms.

A former lawyer for Eli Lilly & Co., Susan Bayh is a director at four publicly traded biopharmaceutical companies: Curis Inc., Dendreon Corp., Dyax Corp., and MDRNA Inc. Earlier this year, she left the board of closely held Golden State Foods, one of McDonald's Corp.'s biggest suppliers, and became a company adviser.

At Emmis, which owns almost two dozen radio stations, one of the company's biggest investors last month questioned Susan Bayh's effectiveness because of her family's friendship with Emmis founder and Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey Smulyan.

Independence Questions

``The well-chronicled personal relationship that Ms. Bayh and her husband have with the Emmis CEO might logically raise legitimate questions about the extent of Ms. Bayh's independence,'' Martin Capital senior partner Frank Martin wrote in a letter filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Martin's filing said his firm owns 9.7 percent of Emmis Class A stock, which has fallen 65 percent in the past year.

Susan Bayh's longest board tenure is at Emmis, where she became a director in 1994, when Evan Bayh was governor. Smulyan said he recruited her because she was well known in the business community and had corporate governance experience.

``I thought Susan would be helpful,'' Smulyan said. ``Independent of being the governor's wife, I think she had pretty good insights.'' Martin is the only shareholder who's complained about Bayh, Smulyan said.

Emmis lost money on Evan Bayh's 2003 autobiography, ``From Father to Son: A Private Life in the Public Eye,'' company spokeswoman Kate Snedeker said. Bayh gave the $4,105 of book royalties to the Evan and Susan Bayh Family Foundation.

Book Deal

The book deal creates the appearance of ``a favor being done for the candidate by the company that his wife is on the board of,'' Buzenberg said.

Smulyan said Emmis published the memoir with expectation of making a profit. Kleiman, Bayh's spokesman, said the deal involved ``a standard book contract that was approved by the Senate Ethics Committee.''

WellPoint is among six companies joining Indiana University and Purdue University in the Indiana Clinical and Translational Sciences Institute, which got a five-year NIH grant. When Bayh's office announced the grant on May 29, it said the senator wrote NIH to support the application.

Anantha Shekhar, the institute's director, said that while Evan Bayh ``certainly helped us,'' Susan Bayh had nothing to do with the grant. ``Until you brought it up, I wasn't even thinking about Susan Bayh and the WellPoint connection,'' Shekhar said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Tim Burger in Washington at tburger2@bloomberg.net.

Last Updated: August 19, 2008 00:01 EDT

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WHAT IF BIDEN IS VP?

I'm not going to put a lot of stock in markets that see Biden as the most likely nominee -- they have Kerry at 9%, after all -- but this does seem to be the consensus. And perhaps I've been buttered up by the fairly dismal alternatives being offered, but like Steve I find Biden a surprisingly decent option. At a minimum, he's strongly preferable to Kaine or Bayh, infinitely preferable to Nunn or Hagel, and clearly behind (among vaguely viable candidates) only Sebelius and Reed.

Cohn has a good roundup of the strengths (most domestic policy, brains, legislative accomplishments, crucial role in the immensely important defeat of Bork) and weaknesses (gaffe prone, his botching of the Thomas hearings.) It is, I think, fair to note that a Delaware senator's support for the bankruptcy bill is as inevitable as candidates in the Iowa caucuses supporting ethanol. I wouldn't give Biden a pass, exactly, but Bayh cast the same vote with considerably less excuse. To the list of defects, though, I would add a lack of executive experience and his initial support for the invasion of Iraq (although, again, on the latter issue his problems are much less severe than Bayh's). On the other hand, while it might be a minor political liability, I think the old "plagiarism" charges are of little substantive significance -- the idea of "plagiarism" in a context where nobody expects you to write your own words in the first place is nonsensical.

If I thought the VP choice should be determined by political considerations, I would pass; his penchant for saying silly things and hailing from a small, safe state would rule him out. Since I think the VP pick should be primarily substantive, however, I think he would be decent -- he could play a constructive policy role comparable to Gore and is considerably more progressive than most of his assumed rivals for the job. He wouldn't be at the top of my list, but of the InTrade top 3 he's the best by a huge margin.

--Scott Lemieux
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_...e_name=on_biden

In actuality, McCain's economic and war policy will likely take much more than $1 million from your son in terms of government indebtedness so he might not be too far off the mark in his statement...

you are only finding out about this now?

where ya been

ya obviously don't read my posts

I put many of these type things up months ago

bayh has so many skeltons, that if he is the vp, come this Halloween, there won't be any skelton costumes for kids to rent out, Bayh has them all.
He has had to get (on his multimillion dollar from lobbyist homes) fifty extra closets just to house all the dirt he is hiding
BildebergerEvan may just be more corrupt than Dick Cheney

Would you risk YOUR future and the future of your country on that, when so many people are better or equal to Bob the bildergergerEvan

If your son has $1 million in the house...lots of folks may be coming...

Obama Makes Up His Mind on Running Mate
Choice Will Remain Secret Until Later This Week
By JAKE TAPPER
Aug. 19, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama has decided on who will be his running mate, but as of late Monday night he had yet to notify the candidate, ABC News has learned.

Obama is expected to make his decision public by the end of this week, ahead of next Monday's Democratic National Convention.

He and his staff have made the veepstakes Washington's hottest guessing game, and to avoid having the name leak out, fewer than a half-dozen of Obama's aides know whom he has selected.

Speculation has centered around three candidates: Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh and Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine.

When Obama gives the signal that he is ready to make the announcement, it won't be done with a noisy news conference. Instead, a plan is in place to e-mail his choice to supporters and the media simultaneously. A campaign tour through swing states with the nominee will soon follow.

The best-kept secret has spawned almost daily rumors and theories about Obama's choice and his thinking process, often amusing Obama when he hears them.

does the guy with the mike's in that picture go to the bar and ask for doublemonika's???

Its nothing...Graham --- I have repeatedly to ask you to identify one scandal that Bayh as been a part of and you have failed miserably to do so...

You have tried to bring up Bayh's wife's connections before to little avail.

It looks like a conflict until she agrees to resign from the Boards and then it goes away -- poof --- just like that.

Theresa Heinz Kerry had similar problems...

Graham instead of innuendo why don't you present some facts --- show the skeletons...show them...present one skeleton -- one scandal --

You know the saying Graham --- if you dislike Bayh so much --- and the scandals/skeletons are so readily apparent -- then put up OR...

it's more fun this way...

but here is some more about the BobthBilderbergerEvan member


Critics claim the Bilderberg Group promotes the careers of politicians whose views are representative of the interests of multinational corporations, at the expense of democracy.[8] Journalists who have been invited to attend the Bilderberg Conference as observers have discounted these claims, calling the conference "not much different from a seminar or a conference organized by an upscale NGO"[9] with "nothing different except for the influence of the participants."

The group's secrecy and its connections to power elites encourages speculation and mistrust by such groups or individuals who believe that the group is part of a conspiracy to create a New World Order. This is further encouraged by the frequent use of the term 'New World Order' by its members when referring to their ultimate goal of world integration. The group is frequently accused of secretive and nefarious world plots by groups such as the John Birch Society.[11] This thinking has progressively found acceptance within both elements of the populist movement and fringe politics. [12] According to investigative journalist Chip Berlet, the prominent origins of Bilderberger conspiracy theories can be traced to activist Phyllis Schlafly. [13]

Radio host Alex Jones claims the group intends to dissolve the sovereignty of the United States and other countries into a supra-national structure similar to the European Union.

From "The Hunt for Red Menace:" "The views on intractable godless communism expressed by [Fred] Schwarz were central themes in three other bestselling books which were used to mobilize support for the 1964 Goldwater campaign. The best known was Phyllis Schlafly's A Choice, Not an Echo which suggested a conspiracy theory in which the Republican Party was secretly controlled by elitist intellectuals dominated by members of the Bilderberger group, whose policies would pave the way for global communist conquest. Schlafly's husband Fred had been a lecturer at Schwartz's local Christian anti-communism Crusade conferences." [14]

Jonathan Duffy, writing in BBC News Online Magazine states "In the void created by such aloofness, an extraordinary conspiracy theory has grown up around the group that alleges the fate of the world is largely decided by Bilderberg."[15]

Denis Healey, a Bilderberg founder and former British Chancellor of the Exchequer, decries such theories. He was quoted by BBC News as saying "There's absolutely nothing in it. We never sought to reach a consensus on the big issues at Bilderberg. It's simply a place for discussion."[15]


Bilderberg has been accused of having kingmaker power as prominent politicians are seen to attend the group before being elected while their political rivals do not attend. [16]

made members of the Bilderberger group IN GOOD STANDING SINCE 1999 NOTE EVAN BAYH BELOW

United States
David L. Aaron (1977), former Deputy National Security Advisor
Dean Acheson (1957, 1958, 1964, 1966), former United States Secretary of State
Keith B. Alexander (2008), current Director, National Security Agency
Roger Altman (2008), former United States Deputy Secretary of the Treasury
John B. Anderson (1977), former US Congressman
Nancy Kassebaum Baker, former US Senator
George W. Ball (1954-1992),[4] former U.S. diplomat

EVAN BAYH (1999), current US Senator

Lloyd Bentsen (1989, 1995 - 1997), former United States Secretary of the Treasury
Sandy Berger, former National Security Advisor (United States)
John Brademas (1966), former US Congressman
Bill Bradley (1985), former US Senator
Nicholas F. Brady (1991), former United States Secretary of the Treasury
Edward Brooke (1968), former US Senator
McGeorge Bundy (1956, 1957, 1964, 1966), former National Security Advisor (United States)
Clifford P. Case (1958), former US Senator
John Chafee, former US Senator
Frank Church, former US Senator
Hillary Clinton (1997), current US Senator, also attended the World Economic Forum, the Munich Conference on Security Policy, the Salzburg Global Seminar and the Renaissance Weekend. Member of the Democratic Leadership Council
Bill Clinton (1991),[5] former US President, 1993 - 2001
Carlos M. Collazo (2003)
Jon Corzine (199 - 1997[3], 1999, 2003, 2004), current Governor of New Jersey
Kenneth W. Dam, former United States Deputy Secretary of the Treasury
Thomas A. Daschle (2008), former US Senator
Thomas E. Dewey (1956, 1957, 1966), former Governor of New York
C. Douglas Dillon (1968), former United States Secretary of the Treasury
Christopher Dodd (1999 - 2001), current US Senator
John Edwards (2004), former US Senator
Stuart Eizenstat, former United States Deputy Secretary of the Treasury
Daniel J. Evans, former US Senator, former Governor of Washington
Dianne Feinstein (1991), current US Senator
James Florio (1994), former Governor of New Jersey
Tom Foley (1995, 2002), former Speaker of the US House of Representatives
Gerald R. Ford (1964, 1966), former US President, 1974 - 1977
Harold Ford, Jr. (2008), current Chairman, Democratic Leadership Council, former US Congressman, Vice Chairman, Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.
Donald M. Fraser (1971), former US Congressman
Peter Hood Ballantine Frelinghuysen, Jr. (1964, 1966, 1971), former US Congressman
J. William Fulbright (1956, 1957, 1964), former US Senator
Cornelius Edward Gallagher (1963, 1966), former US Congressman
Melinda Gates (2004), wife of Bill Gates
David Gergen (1995), political consultant and presidential adviser during the Republican administrations of Nixon, Ford, and Reagan, campaign staffer for George H.W. Bush and adviser to Democratic President Bill Clinton
Dan Glickman, former US Congressman
Donald Gregg (1985), former United States Ambassador
Marc Grossman (2007), former Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs
Richard N. Haass (2004)[6], president, Council on Foreign Relations
Chuck Hagel (1999 - 2001), current US Senator
Alexander Haig, former United States Secretary of State
Lee H. Hamilton (1997)[3], former US Congressman
Fred R. Harris (1966), former US Senator
H. John Heinz III, former US Senator
Christian Herter (1961, 1963, 1964, 1966),[7] former Secretary of State
Richard Holbrooke (1995 - 1999, 2004 - 2006, 2008), former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations
Kay Bailey Hutchison (2000, 2002), current US Senator
Henry M. Jackson (1964, 1966-1968), former US Senator
Jacob Javits (1964, 1966), former US Senator
Joseph E. Johnson (1954)[8], former President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
Bennett Johnston Jr. (1991), former US Senator
James Robert Jones, former US Congressman
Vernon Jordan (1980, 1991, 2005, 2006, 2008)
Thomas Kean, former Governor of New Jersey
Robert M. Kimmitt, current United States Deputy Secretary of the Treasury
Henry Kissinger (1957, 1964, 1966, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1977-2003, 2004,[6] 2005-2008), Secretary of State, 1973 - 1977
John LaFalce, former US Congressman
Gerard F. LeBlond (2008), former President of The Edward-Laurent Foundation, Inc.
Winston Lord (1974), former United States Ambassador to China
William J. Luti, Senior Director for Defense Policy and Strategy for the National Security Council
Terry McAuliffe, former Chairman of the Democratic National Committee
Robert S. McNamara (1968, 1975), former US Secretary of Defense, former President of the World Bank
Charles Mathias, Jr. (1967, 1968, 1974, 1975, 1977), former US Senator
Ken Mehlman, former Chairman of the Republican National Committee
Cord Meyer (1957), CIA official
George J. Mitchell, former US Senator
Walter F. Mondale (1974), former US Vice President, 1977 - 1981
Sam Nunn (1996, 1997[3]), former US Senator
Dan Quayle (1990, 1991), former US Vice President, 1989 - 1993
George Pataki (2006), former Governor of New York
Henry M. Paulson, Jr. (2008), current United States Secretary of the Treasury
Claiborne Pell, former US Senator
Richard Perle (1985, 2003, 2006, 2008), assistant Secretary of Defense, 1981 - 1987
Rick Perry (2007), current Governor of Texas
William J. Perry (1996), former United States Secretary of Defense
Colin L. Powell (1997), former United States Secretary of State
Larry Pressler, former US Senator
Joel Pritchard (1975), former US Congressman
Ralph E. Reed, Jr., former first executive director of the Christian Coalition
Condoleezza Rice (2008), current United States Secretary of State
Bill Richardson (1999, 2000), current Governor of New Mexico
Donald W. Riegle, Jr. (1971), former US Senator
David Rockefeller, original U.S. founding member, life member, and member of the Steering Committee (1954-
Jay Rockefeller (1971), current US Senator
Nelson A. Rockefeller (1957, 1974), former US Vice President, 1974 - 1977, former Governor of New York, 1959 - 1973
Dennis Ross (2006, 2008)
Walt Whitman Rostow, former National Security Advisor (United States)
Donald Rumsfeld (1975, 2002), Secretary of Defense, 2001 - 2006
Dean Rusk (1955, 1957, 1966), former United States Secretary of State
Mark Sanford (2008), current Governor of South Carolina, also attended the Renaissance Weekend
Hugh Scott (1961, 1966), former US Senator
Brent Scowcroft (1985, 1994), former National Security Advisor (United States)
Kathleen Sebelius (2007, 2008), current Governor of Kansas
George P. Shultz (2008), former United States Secretary of State, former United States Secretary of the Treasury
Kristen Silverberg (2007), Bureau of International Organization Affairs, part of the State Department
John Sparkman (1955, 1966), former US Senator
James Steinberg, former Deputy National Security Advisor
Adlai Stevenson III (1971), former US Senator
Robert Schwarz Strauss, former Chairman of the Democratic National Committee
Lawrence Summers (1998, 2002, 2008), former United States Secretary of the Treasury
John H. Sununu (1990), former Governor of New Hampshire
Shirley Temple (1982), former United States Ambassador, former child actress
Cyrus Vance (1971), former United States Secretary of State
Mark Warner (2005), former Governor of Virginia
Vin Weber (2007, 2008), former US Congressman
Christine Todd Whitman (1998), former Governor of New Jersey
L. Douglas Wilder (1991), former Governor of Virginia, current Mayor of Richmond, Virginia
Ross Wilson (ambassador) (2007), current United States Ambassador to Turkey
Paul Wolfowitz (2008), former President of the World Bank
Philip D. Zelikow (2007), executive director of the 9/11 Commission and Counselor of the United States Department of State
Robert Zoellick (1991, 2003, 2006, 2008), former Deputy Secretary of State and current President of the World Bank

So the problem with Bayh is that he is a Commie?

"it's more fun this way..."

because you have absolutely nothing to support your views against Evan Bayh except this Bilderberger mumbo jumbo...

Well, Bayh -- like Gore -- would likely be unsccessful in any effort to run for president because of his personality -- so he would just be serving as a VP...that has to make you feel better...

And Al Gore is a member too... ---

So all you have on Bayh is something Gore is involved with as well...

THE NEW GLOBAL ORDER
The next Bilderberg meeting
Secret roster, agenda for Washington conference

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: October 12, 1999
1:00 am Eastern

2008 WorldNetDaily.com

The secretive Bilderberg society, a group some believe conspires semi-annually to foster global government, will hold a steering committee meeting in Washington next month, WorldNetDaily has learned.

The Nov. 4-5 conference, featuring invited guests such as Vice President Al Gore and presidential candidate John McCain, is scheduled for the Library of Congress in the nation's capital and is sponsored by the American Friends of Bilderberg. The U.S. group is directed by Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller, Paul Allaire and Richard C. Holbrooke.

Since 1953, the Bilderberg group has convened government, business, academic and journalistic representatives from the U.S., Canada and Europe with the express purpose of exploring the future of the North Atlantic community. The international steering committee includes Conrad Black, publisher of newspapers throughout Canada, the U.S. and the London Telegraph and Jerusalem Post, Vernon Jordan, George Mitchell, Kissinger and Rockefeller.

On the agenda for the November meeting is a panel discussion of the U.S. presidential elections and an exploration of the national security requirements for the 21st century. Among those involved in the discussion of the latter subject will be former U.S. Sens. Gary Hart and Warren Rudman, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, journalist Leslie Gelb and Secretary of Defense William Cohen. McCain, at the special invitation of Kissinger, will speak at breakfast Friday morning and Gore will make a Thursday night dinner address, according to the agenda obtained by WorldNetDaily.

Others making presentations include Rep. Bill Thomas of California, Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut, Evan Bayh of Indiana and former White House Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles.

The list of potential invitees to the Washington conference includes the following: Dwayne O. Andreas, Michael H. Armacost, Robert Bartley, Samuel R. Berger, C. Fred Bergsten, Richard Bernstein, James H. Billington, Gen. Charles G. Boyd, Bill Bradley, John H. Bryan, William F. Buckley, William P. Bundy, John H. Chafee, E. Gerald Corrigan, Kenneth W. Dam, Lynne E. Davis, John M. Deutch, Thomas E. Donilon, Theodore L. Eliot Jr., Dianne Feinstein, Martin S. Feldstein, Stanley Fischer, James J. Florio, Lynn Forester, Charles W. Freedman Jr., Stephen Friedman, Thomas Friedman, David Frum, Richard Furland, Orit Gadiesh, Gen. John R. Glavin, David Gergen, Louis V. Gerstner, Paul Gigot, Katherine Graham, Donald Graham, Marc Grossman, Chuck Hagel, Jim Hoagland, James F. Hoge Jr., Mrs. Karen Elliott House, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, Peter Jennings, Jems Johnson, Peter Kahn, Nancy Landon Kassebaum, Robert M. Kimmitt, Henry Kravis, William Kristol, Jan Leschly, Winston Lord, Jessica T. Matthews, Charles Mac Mathias, William J. McDonough, George C. McGhee, Richard A. McGinn, Donald F. McHenry, Sam Nunn, Joseph S. Nye Jr., John M. Page Jr., Norman Pearlstine, William J. Perry, Thomas R. Pickering, Gen. Colin Powell, Sir Kieran Prendergast, Larry Pressler, Clyde V. Prestowitz, Steven Rattner, William Rhodes, William Richardson, Sharon Percy Rockefeller, Gen. Brent Scowcroft, Robert Shapiro, George Soros, Lesley Stahl, James B. Steinberg, George Stephanopoulos, Lawrence H. Summers, G. Richard Thornan, Franklin A. Thomas, Alexander J. Trotman, Wiliam Clay Ford Jr., Laura D'Andrea Tyson, Lodewijk J.R. de Vink, Dr. Ezra F. Vogel, Paul A. Volcker, Stanley A. Weiss, John C. Whitehead, Christine Todd Whitman, James D. Wolfensohn and Casimir A. Yost.

The 1999 annual meeting of the Bilderberg group took place in Sintra, Portugal, June 3-6. The November meeting at the Library of Congress is being billed as a special steering committee session.

According to sources which penetrated the high-security meetings in the past, the Bilderberg meetings emphasize a globalist agenda and promote the idea that the notion of national sovereignty is antiquated and regressive.

In 1998, British free-lance journalist Campbell Thomas attempted to cover the conference in Turnberry, Scotland, for the Daily Mail. Thomas began by seeking the opinions of neighbors to the secret meeting being held nearby. One of those was a young woman who told him he was in the hotel's staff quarters and should leave immediately, which he did.

A short while later, two local police officers arrested Thomas, who reportedly remained in custody for eight hours.

Not all journalists are treated quite so harshly, as the guest roster for the November meeting indicates.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=17214

So we have your Tom Daschle, Chris Dodd, Bill Richardson and and Kathleen Sibelius in there as well...

You sure know how to pick 'em Graham...

That's all you have on Bayh...that's it...

No, Arne --- worse --- he supports American business interests...

But apparently they are Commies too, and the whole point of the Bilderbergers is to hold meetings of Commie business interests aiming at doing away with national sovreignty.

{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}}WHO WILL BE OBAMA'S VP?

Bayh

11% 11,963
Biden

26% 27,746
Clinton

10% 10,564
Kaine

7% 7,714
Kerry

6% 6,660
Nunn

3% 3,525
A Wildcard

36% 38,240

Total Votes: 106,412

Well Biden would bring to the ticket what Obama needs and that is experience. It may backfire on him though cause Biden is such a heavy weight it will accentuate Obama's flyweight status. It also flies into the face what Obama has been preaching throughout the campaign that he stands for change, how can he be for change with a dinosaur as a running mate?

if he picks bayh, the core won't come out and vote and obama will lose

will you be happy taz?
Oh, wait, that would be good for hillary if obama loses

and very good for the bilderbergergroup which has destroyed America

Uh Oh Graham -- Barack attended...

06/11/08
02:38:34 am, Categories: Voices, 2094 words
Barack O’Bilderberg: Picking the President
Andrew G. Marshall

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blo...08/06/11/p26067

Global Research

A Background to Bilderberg

Sunday, June 8, 2008, marked the last day of this year’s annual Bilderberg meeting, which took place in Chantilly, Virginia. The American Friends of Bilderberg, an American Bilderberg front group, which organizes the American participant list for the annual Bilderberg conference, issued a rare press release this year. It stated that, "The Conference will deal mainly with a nuclear free world, cyber terrorism, Africa, Russia, finance, protectionism, US-EU relations, Afghanistan and Pakistan, Islam and Iran. Approximately 140 participants will attend."1

Bilderberg, which has been meeting annually since 1954, is a highly secretive international think tank and some say, policy-forming group made up of representatives from North America and Western Europe and was founded by Joseph Retinger, Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands and Belgian Prime Minister Paul Van Zeeland. The Bilderberg Steering Committee, made up of around 30 people, (with no official list available), "decided that it would invite 100 of the most powerful people in Europe and North America every year to meet behind closed doors at a different five-star resort. The group stresses secrecy: What's said at a Bilderberg conference stays at a Bilderberg conference."2

Usually, the Bilderberg Conference is held in Europe for three years in a row, with the fourth year holding a meeting in North America. However, the previous North American conference was held in 2006 in Ottawa. So why did they break tradition to hold the conference in North America this year? Speculation abounds around a discussion of a possible attack on Iran, the American-centered global financial crisis, as well as the current US Presidential elections.

Bilderberg has long been an important forum for up-and-coming politicians of Western nations to be introduced to the global financial elite; the heads of the major multinational corporations, international banks, world financial institutions, global governing bodies, think tanks, and powerful individuals of the likes of David Rockefeller and various European monarchs, including Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, daughter of founding member, Prince Bernhard, as well as Queen Sofia and King Juan Carlos of Spain.

According to The Globe and Mail, such Canadian Prime Ministers have, in the past, (often before becoming Prime Minister), attended a Bilderberg Conference as a guest, including Pierre Trudeau, Jean Chretien, Paul Martin and Stephen Harper.3 Tony Blair attended Bilderberg before becoming Prime Minister,4 as did the current British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, who also recently called for the establishment of a "new world order."5

Interestingly, as the Washington Post reported, Vernon E. Jordon, a high-powered American executive, who sits on several corporate boards, including American Express, Xerox, J.C. Penney, Dow Jones, and Sara Lee, to name a few, also happens to be a very close friend of former President Bill Clinton. However, "it was Jordan who first introduced then-Gov. Clinton to world leaders at their annual Bilderberg gathering in Germany in 1991. Plenty of governors try to make that scene; only Clinton got taken seriously at that meeting, because Vernon Jordan said he was okay."6 Clinton subsequently became President.

Barack and Bilderberg

Recently, there has been much discussion about Barack Obama having possibly attended the recent Bilderberg conference in Virginia. This speculation arose when Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton sneaked off for a secretive meeting while in Virginia. As the AP reported, "Reporters traveling with Obama sensed something might be happening between the pair when they arrived at Dulles International Airport after an event in Northern Virginia and Obama was not aboard the airplane. Asked at the time about the Illinois senator's whereabouts, [Obama spokesman Robert] Gibbs smiled and declined to comment."7

The press that had been traveling with Obama were not made aware of the secretive meeting until the plane that they assumed Obama would be present on was moving down the runway, prompting many angry questions from the press towards Obama’s spokesman, Robert Gibbs. One reported asked Gibbs, "Why were we not told about this meeting until we were on the plane, the doors were shut and the plane was about to taxi to take off?" to which he responded, "Senator Obama had a desire to do some meetings, others had a desire to meet with him tonight in a private way and that is what we are doing." This preceded another question, "Is there more than one meeting, is there more than one person with whom he is meeting?" Gibbs simply replied, "I am not going to get into all the details of the meeting." He again later repeated that, "There was a desire to do some meetings tonight, he was interested in doing them, others were interested in doing them, and to do them in a way that was private."8

On Friday, June 6, it was reported that Bilderberg tracker, Jim Tucker, "called Obama’s office today to ask if he had attended Bilderberg. A campaign spokeswoman refused to discuss the matter but would not deny that Obama had attended Bilderberg."9

Bilderberg to Pick Obama’s Vice President

As the Financial Times reported in May of this year, Barack Obama appointed James A. Johnson, the former CEO of Fannie Mae, "to head a secret committee to produce a shortlist for his vice-presidential running mate." A short list was discussed by the article, which listed, other than Hillary Clinton, "Jim Webb, the former secretary of the navy, Vietnam veteran and senator for Virginia; Tim Kaine, the governor of Virginia; John Edwards, the former vice-presidential candidate in 2004; Ted Strickland, the governor of Ohio; and Kathleen Sebelius, the governor of Kansas." Other potential nominees include "Sam Nunn, the former chairman of the Senate armed services committee; and Wesley Clark, the former head of Nato in Europe."10

James A. Johnson, the man Obama asked to pick his running mate, played the same role for John Kerry back in 2004, and he selected John Edwards. As the New York Times reported, "Several people pointed to the secretive and exclusive Bilderberg conference of some 120 people that this year drew the likes of Henry A. Kissinger, Melinda Gates and Richard A. Perle to Stresa, Italy, in early June, as helping [Edwards] win Mr. Kerry's heart. Mr. Edwards spoke so well in a debate on American politics with the Republican Ralph Reed that participants broke Bilderberg rules to clap before the end of the session." The Times further reported, "His performance at Bilderberg was important,'' said a friend of Mr. Kerry who was there. ''He reported back directly to Kerry. There were other reports on his performance. Whether they reported directly or indirectly, I have no doubt the word got back to Mr. Kerry about how well he did."11

James A. Johnson, Vice Chairman of Perseus, a merchant banking firm, is also a director of Goldman Sachs, Forestar Real Estate Group, Inc., KB Home, Target Corporation and UnitedHealth Group Inc., is also a member of the American Friends of Bilderberg, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission and is an honorary trustee of the Brookings Institution.12 It is likely that Obama’s running mate will be chosen by Johnson at this years Bilderberg Conference.

Notable among this year’s Bilderberg guests are Kansas Governor, Kathleen Sebelius, who the Financial Times reported was on Johnson’s short list of nominees. In fact, Sebelius is the only person mentioned as a possible running mate in the Financial Times article that was officially listed on the Bilderberg list of attendees.13 Could this be a sign that she may be the chosen one? Time will tell. However, another Democratic politician present at the meeting was Tom Daschle, so perhaps he is working his way back into politics.

Don’t Forget McCain

Just because Obama’s popularity dwarfs that of McCain’s, is not reason enough to ignore the other candidate. After all, the elite never ignore both candidates, and in fact, ensure they have them both neatly packed in their back pockets. Among the guests at the Bilderberg meeting this year, included Republican Governor of South Carolina, Mark Sanford, as well as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice,14 which would be a smart political pick for McCain, going up against the first black presidential candidate.

McCain has also received endorsements from former Secretaries of State, Henry Kissinger, General Alexander Haig, Lawrence Eagleburger and George P. Shultz.15 These are not men without influence, as Henry Kissinger and George Shultz were also present at this years meeting.16 Also interesting to note is that George P. Shultz "associated himself with the Bush presidency early on, introducing the Texas governor to Condoleezza Rice at the Hoover Institution in 1998." Could Condi be in the process of being groomed for higher office, or is she simply at the meeting for foreign policy discussions?

Also important to note, is that McCain had a fundraiser in London held for him, which was hosted "by kind permission of Lord Rothschild OM GBE [Order of Merit and the Knight Grand Cross of the British Empire] and the Hon Nathaniel Rothschild." As the Washington Post reported, "Tickets to the invitation-only event cost $1,000 to $2,300."18 The Post later reported, "Aides refused to talk about the fundraiser, or to say how much money was raised, and McCain dashed through the rain away from reporters after emerging. One guest said there were about 100 people at the luncheon. If they all gave the maximum, the event would have raised about $230,000 for the campaign."19

NOTES

1 Press Release, Bilderberg Announces 2008 Conference. Yahoo Finance: June 5, 2008:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080605/20080605006246.html?.v=1

2 CBC News Online, Informal forum or global conspiracy? CBC News: June 13, 2006:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/bilderberg-group/

3 Alexander Panetta, Secretive, powerful Bilderberg group meets near Ottawa. The Globe and Mail: June 8, 2006: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

4 WND, Bilderbergers set to meet in D.C. World Net Daily: June 4, 2008:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&...eId=66198\

5Steve Watson, So Who Is Gordon Brown? Infowars.net: May 17, 2007:

http://www.infowars.net/articles/may2007/1...ordon_Brown.htm

6 Marc Fisher, Jordan Is Comfortable With Power. And With Himself. The Washington Post: January 27, 1998:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/polit...ordan012798.htm

7 AP, Obama and Clinton meet, discuss uniting Democrats. The Associated Press: June 6, 2008:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-qGLDs...y3j3dwD914B1O00

8 Steve Watson, Press Let Rip At Obama Spokesman Over Exclusion From Secret Meeting. Infowars.net: June 6, 2008: http://infowars.net/articles/june2008/060608Exclusion.htm

9 Paul Joseph Watson, Obama’s Office Won’t Deny Senator Attended Bilderberg. Prison Planet: June 6, 2008:
http://www.infowars.com/?p=2572

10 Edward Luce, Running mate speculation gathers pace. The Financial Times: May 23, 2008:
http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?ne...1175&page=2

11 Jodi Wilgoren, THE 2004 ELECTION: THE PROCESS. New York Times: July 7, 2004:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...mp;pagewanted=2

12 Goldman Sachs, About Us: Board of Directors: James A. Jonhson.
http://www2.goldmansachs.com/our-firm/abou...#JamesA.Johnson

13 AFP, BILDERBERG 2008 ATTENDEE LIST. American Free Press: 2008:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bild..._list_2008.html

14 AFP, BILDERBERG 2008 ATTENDEE LIST. American Free Press: 2008:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bild..._list_2008.html

15 Klaus Marre, McCain gets support from former secretaries of state. The Hill: April 10, 2007:
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/mccain-ge...2007-04-10.html

16 AFP, BILDERBERG 2008 ATTENDEE LIST. American Free Press: 2008: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bild..._list_2008.html

17 Daniel Henninger, Father of the Bush Doctrine. The Wall Street Journal: April 29, 2006:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/fe...ml?id=110008308

18 Matthew Mosk, Senator's Supporters Are Invited to Lunch With a Lord. The Washington Post: March 15, 2008: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8031403897.html

19 Michael D. Sheer, Americans Dash Through Rain to McCain's London Fundraiser. The Washington Post: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2...gh_rain_to.html

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Andrew G. Marshall contributed to breaking the Climate Change consensus in a celebrated 2006 article entitled Global Warming A Convenient Lie, in which he challenged the findings underlying Al Gore's documentary. According to Marshall, 'as soon as people start to state that “the debate is over”, beware, because the fundamental basis of all sciences is that debate is never over'. Andrew Marshall has also written on the militarization of Central Africa, national security issues and the process of integration of North America. He is also a contributor to GeopoliticalMonitor.com He is currently a researcher at the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG) in Montreal and is studying political science and history at Simon Fraser University, British Columbia.

james johnson was fired from the post

and guests are NOT made men of the committee

anyone can be a guest

It takes a bi to become a made man

Marine -- we agree on this one...

Obama has stated repeatedly that he is most comfortable on foreign policy --- to choose such a foreign policy heavyweight would expose him to arguments that this is the area of his own considered strengths and yet he has chosen someone in that area?

I think it would be a bad move. Richardson or Bayh would be better because they would have equal foreign policy experience -- but allow Obama to state that he was choosing them for their economic experience...as heads of state governments -- people from America's heartland...who know how to make government work for the people...like I learned to do as a community organizer in Chicago...

Graham by your own logic here people should be seriously discussing whether you are in league with the Republicans or not. Think about it. You have been making more than one recommendation lately which can only be good for them.

Are you saying that Obama cannot pick a running mate with a more centrist reputation than himself? If that is true then it may be impossible for him to win.



Those damn Commie bastards!

Just choose Gore

you are again yawn yawn yawn throwing in a red herring that is a total lie

Obama said he had 5 qualifications and being an expert at foreign policy is not a disqualifier, just another lie smear

Biden fits 4 of the 5
Gore fits 5 of the 5
bayh is at most a 1 of 5
sebilius is a 4 of 5
kaine a 3 of 5
daschle a 5 of 5

Yeah, sure...I guess you have their bylaws...and can show that...

Well what about Dodd, Daschle, Feinstein, Sibelius and Richardson?

You keep telling yourself that Graham...

Keep saying Obama is not one of them Obama is not one of them...and one day you may actually convince yourself...

I am still waiting for that one scandal Graham -- still waiting...keep searching -- pull out one skeleton of Evan Bayh Graham if the closet is full you should be able to find one...

BUt you have nothing -- N - O - T - H - I - N - G....

All talk --put up Graham -- come on put up or

Latest on the Dem VP Race: Not Going to be Bayh, Daschle or Clark





I won't post sources on this, so any folks are welcome to consider this my fanciful speculation.

But sources close to Obama report to me that after the "surge of concern" on the net about Evan Bayh, he has not been selected as Obama's VP running mate.

I have been informed that the decision has been made, and I don't know who that person is.

I also have been told that Tom Daschle is not the running mate. I also happen to know that it is not Wesley Clark.

I just received word that it is not Senator Jack Reed either, though Obama thought very highly of him.

In my estimation, that leaves Joseph Biden, Chuck Hagel, and Sibelius. I don't think that Tim Kaine would be the nominee given the elevation of Mark Warner as the keynote speaker at the Dem convention.

As much as I would love Hagel to be the nominee, I don't think that will happen. . .and while I could be wrong here, I have heard next to nothing about Sibelius.

That leaves Joe Biden. Could Warner be a head fake -- and it's Tim Kaine after all? Not sure. . .circumstantial evidence points to Biden.

Of all places where Biden is now, he's in Georgia -- the one in the tangle with Russia.

One well placed political expert just told me on the phone that we may all be wrong and that Obama could come out with something completely unexpected -- a Hillary Clinton or even (and this shocked me) Al Gore or John Kerry. I don't have any info on such surprising possibilities as these.

We may know Monday or Tuesday.

I won't defend or go into my sources. Discount this as you like.

-- Steve Clemons

becdause of the October in August S