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The Bush Administration: McCain Was NOT Tortured (Per Andrew Sullivan)--UPDATE with DIGG
by jpadgett
Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 01:28:16 PM PDT
Andrew Sullivan reminds us today of something that is missing in all this talk of crosses in the dirt.
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Dead on from Andrew Sullivan's The Daily Dish:
In all the discussion of John McCain's recently recovered memory of a religious epiphany in Vietnam, one thing has been missing. The torture that was deployed against McCain emerges in all the various accounts. It involved sleep deprivation, the withholding of medical treatment, stress positions, long-time standing, and beating. Sound familiar?
According to the Bush administration's definition of torture, McCain was therefore not tortured.
Cheney denies that McCain was tortured; as does Bush. So do John Yoo and David Addington and George Tenet. In the one indisputably authentic version of the story of a Vietnamese guard showing compassion, McCain talks of the agony of long-time standing. A quarter century later, Don Rumsfeld was putting his signature to memos lengthening the agony of "long-time standing" that victims of Bush's torture regime would have to endure. These torture techniques are, according to the president of the United States, merely "enhanced interrogation."
By all means, read the whole thing...
Sullivan's coup de grace:
...in the Military Commissions Act, McCain acquiesced to the use of these techniques against terror suspects by the CIA. And so the tortured became the enabler of torture. Someone somewhere cried out in pain for the same reasons McCain once did. And McCain let it continue.
Spread Sullivan's argument far and wide, folks. It's an ideal response to McSame's all-purpose POW stories.
Full Version: Bush administration-John McCAin was NOT tortured
What it is - is a real good way to increase the already increasing polls for McCain.
That's better G4A, you'll get McNasty elected yet.
amazing
the Obama haters don't even know satire when it bites them in the rear
How come McCain can't laugh? When he is like the Joker, an instrument of Kaos???
the Obama haters don't even know satire when it bites them in the rear
How come McCain can't laugh? When he is like the Joker, an instrument of Kaos???
The title sure didn't look like satire.
As far as people who don't know satire when they see it, that comment is a bit rich considering a certain discussion yesterday, which involved pompous accusations of libel.
I agree this works as biting humor, if you want to bash Bush. But using this against McCain, as this blogger suggests, would be pure idiocy. Unless the intent is to build up McCain in the first place.
As far as people who don't know satire when they see it, that comment is a bit rich considering a certain discussion yesterday, which involved pompous accusations of libel.
I agree this works as biting humor, if you want to bash Bush. But using this against McCain, as this blogger suggests, would be pure idiocy. Unless the intent is to build up McCain in the first place.
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Aug 20 2008, 08:56 AM) 
The title sure didn't look like satire.
As far as people who don't know satire when they see it, that comment is a bit rich considering a certain discussion yesterday, which involved pompous accusations of libel.
I agree this works as biting humor, if you want to bash Bush. But using this against McCain, as this blogger suggests, would be pure idiocy. Unless the intent is to build up McCain in the first place.
As far as people who don't know satire when they see it, that comment is a bit rich considering a certain discussion yesterday, which involved pompous accusations of libel.
I agree this works as biting humor, if you want to bash Bush. But using this against McCain, as this blogger suggests, would be pure idiocy. Unless the intent is to build up McCain in the first place.
what would you know from satire?
You thought a 100% major smear from someone in your signature was satire, when it ended up smearing Dr. Griffin on all boards.
If Bush thinks what he did is not torture, then by same token John "I made a whole life out of living off my status" McCain wasn't tortured
Pick your torture
Either it is or isn't
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 20 2008, 08:58 AM)
what would you know from satire?
You thought a 100% major smear from someone in your signature was satire, when it ended up smearing Dr. Griffin on all boards.
You thought a 100% major smear from someone in your signature was satire, when it ended up smearing Dr. Griffin on all boards.
Griffin wasn't smeared, he was satired. The "allegations" against him were a mocking copy of the same techniques he and others in the so-called "911 Truth Movement" have used, cherry picking some facts, distorting others, and drawing illogical and unreasonable conclusions from them. (Not that all of the "questioners and truth seekers" are cut from the same wretched cloth, Sibel Edmonds and her fans seem to have a plausible case to make.) Apparently it is way too painful for you acknowledge that.
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If Bush thinks what he did is not torture, then by same token John "I made a whole life out of living off my status" McCain wasn't tortured
But if you want to go by what George Bush says then is there any hope for you?
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Pick your torture
Either it is or isn't
Either it is or isn't
The serious answer, especially for those who have experienced it, is that it is.
McCain is a wuss
although the rumors are he has a temper, he probably gets it from his wife 2x as hard
although the rumors are he has a temper, he probably gets it from his wife 2x as hard
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Aug 20 2008, 09:23 AM)
McCain is a wuss
although the rumors are he has a temper, he probably gets it from his wife 2x as hard
although the rumors are he has a temper, he probably gets it from his wife 2x as hard
Making it easier for others to be crude?
I would hardly call McCain a wuss. If he were then he would not be where he is now, he probably would have been dead decades ago from alcohol and/or drug abuse.
Not that that makes me want to vote for him. After all, he came into our house and took $1 million from my son, and my son likes George Bush! (He likes Obama too, he says, "I like the two of them.")
And I have other reasons for not voting for McCain.
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