Slap me! Am I dreaming?

Read this thread, Please!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...&mesg_id=146067



Is media coverage about to pick up?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...&mesg_id=145181


http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2004/Dec/EEN41b862e1c8b9d.html

WOW! OH, PLEASE , let this pan out.

If this is true, given Kerry's background as a prosecutor, I wonder what he knows since it seems he deliberately waited until now to get involved.

Once again, for all you fair-weather Kerry supporters, Kerry is none of the below:

1. Stupid
2. Reckless
3. Uneducated
4. Careless
5. Crooked
6. Weak
7. A quitter

For those reasons alone, you can be sure, very sure, that behind the scenes the wheels continue to turn.

Pinch Me.......

REALLY HARD!

The Boston Rally today did give me a feeling of hope, but not
on this magnitude.

pinch I believe in Kerry

The one thing that caught my eye from that thread was the idea that the ballots may have been read upside down - which is why that judge got more votes then kerry.

Meg

I have known all along that Kerry is more involved than he lets us know....as a prosecutor he knows better than to give away what he has until all the evidence is in....

Kerry is a very methodical person. He would not press his case unless he knew there was enough evidence to give him a good chance of winning. Gathering and organziing evidence takes time, and he knows that. That's why he conceded when he did. He knew that pressing the case publicly would likely result in the evidence being destroyed, and the ruin of his political future.

I agree, I've said that, too. Plus, he avoided the whiny-baby firestorm dubya would have started. Instead, he's done what my granny would have called giving dubya enough rope to hang himself.

Surprise is a very effective method for any type of battle. I don't think the Bushies are ready for the next round of actions......

Sounds like Republican spin to me...

I mean....it isn't too hard to read votes and who could have put them in backwards. Unless you are Homer Simpson and have a really low IQ problem.

It looks like more has been going on behind the scenes that we knew about, just as many of us thought.

Objects in your rearview mirror are closer than they appear!

This may be in reference to the incident where the ballots were put in the machine upside down and counted incorrectly. This was a big issue in a predominately Hispanic district.

Some machines require you to put things in face down rather than face up, so it's not always as clear as one may think.

Well I have had to feed scantrons into a scantron reader before...I suppose it can be just as complex.

But if the things were fed wrong...could it possiblely be that Kerry got more votes than Bush because the votes were read wrong?

Yeah, we can make lottery scan machines that work every single time, but we can't make a voting machine that works. Hmmmm?

Considering the provisional votes yielded 18,000 votes for Kerry, I think it's possible that thousands upon thousands of votes for Kerry did not get counted!

Feeding a ballot in a machine, likely is more difficult for someone who does not speak english or read english well.

I have to admit, I still have to look at the picture on the gas pump to know how to put my credit card in!

On our machine tabulators, there was not a picture to show the correct direction, it had to be assumed...like Evelyn said, hmmm....

I am kinda confused, whats going on?

I wondered about the optical scanners. When I started to feed my ballot into the scanning machine, I asked the poll worker standing right there what side should be up, and he said "either way, it reads the same", but now I am questioning whether that was true???

They said on Air America Kerry is sending out letters tomorrow to 88 BOE in Ohio. You need to read the thread on DU post in the first post. It is a very long thread. I haven't finihed it yet. I hope it's true.

http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2682767

Kerry lawyer asks for visual inspection of some Ohio ballots
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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Democrat John Kerry is asking county elections officials to allow his witnesses to visually inspect the 92,000 ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded, a Kerry lawyer said Sunday night.


The request is one of 11 items that Kerry is asking for as part of the recount that Ohio's 88 county boards of election will begin this week, according to a letter sent to the boards over the weekend.

"We're trying to increase the transparency of the election process," said Donald McTigue, the lawyer handling the recount for the Kerry campaign.

Two minor presidential candidates who received 0.30 percent of the votes in last month's election requested the recount, claiming that the election was full of irregularities that need to be addressed.

President Bush, a Republican, beat the Massachusetts senator by about 119,000 votes in Ohio on Election Day. Ohio's 20 electoral votes, which will be cast on Monday, put Bush over the top in the race.

Kerry's campaign supports the recount but says it won't change the election outcome. Bush's campaign has criticized the recount effort, saying it won't change anything.

McTigue said the visual inspection is allowed under state law. The goal is to look for potential votes that were not registered by the tabulating equipment.

Other requests include the use of independent experts to check the programming and calibration of the election equipment, something McTigue said has never been allowed.

McTigue also asked that counties accept the help of a group called Votewatch to determine which precincts will be chosen for that part of the vote that will be counted by hand. McTigue said using the group will ensure that the ballots are selected using a valid random sampling method.

The procedures require 3 percent of ballots to be counted by hand in each county, and then all ballots to be counted if the initial check turns up problems.

McTigue would not speculate how many of the items the counties will honor.

"Several requests are trying to push the edge of envelope," he said.

Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, said state law will guide counties on how to do the recount.

"I don't know if Mr. McTigue is in a position to dictate the terms of a recount," he said.

Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Here's a link to the letter:
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http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...wtopic=9846&hl=
It's from a Kerry lawyer, but it will do!

lawnorder reminded me of the significance of this. regarding there having been more interest than has been let on, you guys might take a look at a couple of posts last night, here:

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http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...indpost&p=93026

independently of that effort, i was aware of another interested party although my knowledge was removed by a degree or so from the primary. but now that i consider it, the person i'm thinking of also had a howard dean link, hmmm....

This is wonderful news, but I am worried about Blackwell and what he did in the six weeks he had to destroy or hide votes. Any ideas out there?

Someone needs to draw up papers asking that Blackwell be charged with election fraud and obstruction of justice! Monday would be soon enough!

I was referring to comments that the optical forms may have been put into the counter backwards - thus giving Kerry votes to that judge.

Meg

It's fact now, folks...

This story just hit the AP!

It will surely get plenty of coverage tomorrow.

Related threads:
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http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...wtopic=9834&hl=
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http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...wtopic=9846&hl=

Do you have a link?

Here is a link:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...r/kerry_recount

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=324234


Kerry Lawyer Seeks Ohio Ballot InspectionKerry Lawyer Asks for Visual Inspection of 92,000 Ohio Ballots, One of 11 Requests Over Weekend
The Associated Press

COLUMBUS, Ohio Dec 12, 2004 — Democrat John Kerry is asking county elections officials to allow his witnesses to inspect the 92,000 ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded, a Kerry lawyer said Sunday night.

The request is one of 11 the Kerry campaign made in a letter sent over the weekend to Ohio's 88 county boards of election, which will begin recounting presidential ballots this week.

"We're trying to increase the transparency of the election process," said Donald McTigue, the lawyer handling the recount for the Kerry campaign. But he added that several requests such as using independent experts to check election equipment, "are trying to push the edge of envelope."

Two minor presidential candidates who received 0.30 percent of the votes in last month's election requested and paid for the recount, claiming that the election was full of irregularities that need to be addressed.


Kerry's campaign supports the recount, while Bush's campaign has criticized it, but both sides agree it won't change the outcome of the election.

McTigue said the visual inspection is allowed under state law. The goal is to look for potential votes that were not registered by the tabulating equipment.

McTigue also asked that counties accept the help of a group called Votewatch to determine which precincts will be chosen for the part of the recount that will be conducted by hand. McTigue said using the group will ensure that the ballots are selected using a valid random sampling method.

The procedures require 3 percent of ballots to be counted by hand in each county. All the county's ballots would be counted by hand if the initial check turns up problems.

Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, said state law will guide counties on how to conduct the recount.

"I don't know if Mr. McTigue is in a position to dictate the terms of a recount," he said.




WHOOOOO :o

didn't realize it was already posted THIS IS HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, hotter than the topics that have risen to the top, so I'm bumping it up!

What about this Clinton Curtis guy? Is he real?

He's for real. I heard an interview with him on Air America. He sounded quite credible. What will come of it , I don't know.


I hope I have the right guy. Are you referring to the whistleblower who was asked to design software to steal the vote in Florida?

ME TOO!!!

And I'm also worried how the media is not covering it!!! People need to know what is going on in Ohio, because if this election gets overturned (please please please) there will be a major uprising in this country and it will be in part the media's fault! Americans see Bush as the winner, getting his cabinet ready for the next term, la-de-dah... They have no clue on the voter fraud. It would come out of nowhere - not a smart move on the media's part, and it would make things really tough on Kerry!

Kerry Kerry Kerry feels good to say that!

Yes, him.

Look, I was googling his name and found an article in German
about him. HA. The world is hoping, too!

bare in mind that kerry is not only a senator but a prosecution lawyer of some 25 years, he would not be making any noise if there were not a fox in the hen house....

- perry

send letters urging major media coverage via

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http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...indpost&p=94679

I heard the Kerry/Jackson letter mentioned on NPR this morning as I was driving to work, around 7:00 AM EST.