Just in case anyone is not aware yet... jury decides on death penalty.

O.J. gets a free pass... with tangible evidence and Peterson gets death penalty on totally circumstantial evidence... Go figure.

While Peterson probably is guilty... I am personally opposed to the death penalty... there are too many cases of innocent people being found guilty.

Nevertheless it seems that there are a lot of people out there hungry for blood.

I wonder how many pregnant wives have been killed in Iraq at the hands of Bushco.

Excellent point!
I don't mean to minimize what happened to Lacy Peterson, but I think that men who start wars and call it "Shock n' Awe" are not calling it that to surprise people on their birthdays by showering them with gifts. If there is an after-life, Bush/Cheney will have to answer for that.

I'm glad it's over for the families.

Truthfully, Peterson epitomizes everything wrong with "modern" male attitudes today - selfish and self-absorbed, well-off, immature, refuses to take responsibility.

I believe if he didn't do it himself (I just don't see him as a man getting "dirty"), that he knows WHO did it and WHY it was done (drugs/South America business link?).

I hope we all don't get lumped in THAT sterotype....

Yeah. That was my thought, too.

It was probably a jury with that view of the "modern male" that convicted Peterson and imposed the DP. If that's the case... he didn't have a chance in Hades.

Sad, but its not over.


- There is an 80-90 % chance of being overturned on appeal.

Let's hope so. I am opposed to death penalty in general, but it is particularly difficult to accept in a case like that, where. even if Petersen looks like a scumbag, I dont remember having heard of one direct evidence that he did it. How can a society decide to kill somebody on circumstancial evidences only.

Only in California!

Yep, money rules the world. I am not so sure if the guy is guilty though. In order to be guilty, the prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you are guilty and i am not so sure that they did. My logic is, the numerous juriors that were releaved all said the same thing, that the prosecutors didnt prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Peterson was guilty. Now isnt this odd, numerous juriors that thought this, all were releaved...

I completely agree.... Two jurors dismissed because they couldn't agree... sounds like the jury forced "dissenting" jurors to be dismissed. I've never heard to tell of such a thing. To me it would seem that this alone may be grounds for a mistrial on appeal... expecially since there was not just one instance... but two.

I thought it was more like three? Huh.

I know it's broad, but I have 2 sons in their early 20s and lots of examples of the dot.commers who flooded the area here when money was flowing like milk.

My first impression of the "modern male" was my dealings with Apple Computer's then head, Steve Jobs and his merry band o' pranksters and LISA (REMEMBER LISA?)(there are only SO MANY watermelons that can be chucked off the balconey, Steve....)

If you take it 'personally', well.....

Hey, I've been happily married over 23 years (living together 7 years before that) to one wonderful person who just happens to be a white male in this lifetime!

Come on, you guys....what about the "dumb blonde" jokes? :D

My main reason against the death penalty is normally only poor
African Americans get killed

As this guy was white and rich-good for the jury.(oops, not politically correct? Or is it? This one is for Lacy. She was PREGNANT at the time.
He is cold calculated killer. This wasn't rough sex(like the Preppie murderer who got off.) This was killing his wife because she was pregnant.Why get married?
This guy killed his wife, cheated on her, was a louse.
You do the crime, pay for it.
He shouldn't have cheated on his wife.
It will take years to get him.

I personally like instant justice in these cases (like happened to that
sicko priest in Mass, or Jeffrey Dahmer...open the door, turn the other way and let justice happen. This guy killed his own baby.

oops-I am a liberal...but this is nothing to do with politics. This is my
Dukakis moment.

I really don't care about this. It is a waste of air waves when there is real news

THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE MEDIA total BS coverage

BTW I have sat on a murder trial in NY Supreme Court years ago

It is not fun Yet THEY COVER THIS WHY?

OK - let's get it out in the open....THIS IS A KEEPER STORY.....it had everything except "virgin birth".....

Lovely, married, pregnant woman (madonna)
Unborn male child (christ)
Handsome spouse

CHRISTMAS

When Lacey and Conner were located

AROUND EASTER

Get it? It's that sleazy, folks....Man Bites Dog.

Question: Do you think this case would have gotten all this attention if the people involved had been African-American, or Latino, or poor, or gay? I don't think so.

Peterson is a sociopath. Only a sociopath would premeditate murdering his wife instead of just getting a divorce.

Thats a crock....got any facts to prove this?

Rox you rock. Your right. How many little black kids get this attention

How long did were hear about Ramsey in Colorado? Where are all the miniorities

even my local NYC news does not cover missing anyone unless they are WHITE

Exactly.

Let's take it one further (you know THEY would if they had a chance...)

Was Scott Peterson a Republican?

Actually it's true. There are statistics are readily available that show a disproportionate number of Af-Am males are put to death. It's one of our most vicious & insideous forms of racism.

My guess is YES! Someone that self centered and arrogant must be Repub.

Sounds like the "modern" female attitudes to me too. Sorry to jump on your case about this, but I meet equal numbers of men and women who are selfish and self-absorbed, immature, and who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Sure, it tends to manifest in somewhat different ways, but the same basic roots are there.

In fact, I would say this observation applies to a large minority, if not the majority of Americans today. What else can explain the massive ignorance of what we are doing to the rest of the world, to our hoarding of all resources for ourselves, and our refusal to stop doing what we are doing, even when we become aware of it? selfishness, self-absorption, immaturity, and refusal to take responsibility.

I am not your teacher.
this is about the 10th seperate thread you have used this same, boring, tired line.

ACTUALLY THIS IS TRUE.

WANT TO KNOW ???

GO TO WWW.GOOGLE.COM and 10,000 different pages or more will come up

I hope this guy is murdered in his cell while he is cowering on the floor, this low life coward who kills his wife and unborn daughter

WHY DIDN'T HE GET A DIVORCE?
He would have had to pay more once the child was born

This guy should be wacked, get his smirk off my airspace


And as I said before-you do the crime, you do the time.
(I have sympathy for Robert Blake, because the grifter who forced him to live in hell gave him no option).

I wouldn't be surprised.

They personally don't care. Just that he sees his crime cause they think he killed her and the baby. When someone touches an unborn baby that's when people now days go balistic. Heh heh. I wonder if he's really innocent too. I didn't follow the story or anything to know enough.

First... You are entitled to your opionion... no matter what it is.

Having said that...

Nobody deserves to be murdered... Not Laci, Conner and not Scott. The deaths of Laci and Connor do not justify the death of Scott. One death does not justify another.... for any reason. It serves no purpose other than to appease some "eye for an eye" desire for revenge. It is sad to think that there are people who derive some sense of satisfaction at the killing of any human being... whether the victim or the murderer.

Where are we as a human race if we ourselves are consumed by such desire for revenge or such hatred toward others ? It is man at his most primitive self... kill or be killed. Such should be reserved soley for war... and then only in a war that is morally justifiable. Otherwise, self-defense or defense of one's family would seem to be the only other time that killing would be morally justifiable.

Sure there are those that say that society will be better off without murderers being alive... or that they pose some threat. There is no truth in that argument either. The cost of the long ongoing legal battles with multiple appeals far exceeds the cost of merely housing a prisoner who is serving a life term. There is NO risk that Scott Peterson could escape to harm anyone else. What then justifies the execution of a human being ?

We are one of the only civilized nations in the modern world that still has a death penalty. It strikes me as hypocritical that the most "religious" nation on earth is one that prides itself on its primitive practice of execution. For a so-called Christian nation it seems that not many rely on the word of God who said "Vengence is mine". I recall the Ten Commandments say that "thou shalt not kill", but I don't recall a subsection that allows any exceptions... including executions. It seems as if we must still be awaiting Jesus' coming as we are stuck in the "eye for an eye" days of the Old Testament.

Actually, if we get past that "eye for an eye" desire, the life sentence is a much harsher punishment in many ways. Long years... maybe thirty, forty, fifty years... spent second by second with no freedoms and nothing but the thoughts and regrets for the act that has robbed one of their freedom. This is, in many ways, much more unbearable. Death comes to all... and will come to Scott Peterson as well, so why not give him fifty years to regret his actions first ?

Last, but not least, too many innocent people have been convicted by our rather unfair and faulty system of justice. In matters where the accused's life hangs on an imperfect verdict there is no room for error. How many cases have we seen where new technology and new tests or new evidence has vindicated the convicted after having served many years while being totally innocent. If for no other reason than to spare the lives of those who may be innocent, the death penalty should be abolished.

As to Scott, as you infer... he may very well be killed in prison by another prisoner. If that were to happen, at least his blood is not on our hands... but on the hands of another murderer.

Edit...
And that is just MY opinion... my $ .02.

I do not care about the Peterson case. How many murder trials are going on in the US at any given time? Why is this one different? I think antiabortion politics is involved here. The trial is a local matter for the local jury to decide. More people are killed every day in Iraq and no one appears to care.

The discrimination isn't against black offenders, it's against black victims. While it's true a black who kills a white is more likely to get the death penalty then a white who kills a black, it's also true that a white who kills another white is more likely to get the death penalty then a black who murders another black.

YUP! :D
I am against the death penalty 99.9 percent of the time
And I am for NO RESTRICTIONS on abortions whatsoever

We should sentence to death all hypocritical politicians though...wouldn't that be something? If you lie, you die

Scott Peterson is just my personal opinion, not my political opinion.
Same as that slime priest who got his just desserts in jail after abusing scores of little boys
Peterson was cold/calculating who wanted to get out of paying alimony for years
(and it was not two murders, it was the murder of one, -it was a phony abortion issue, same as that brain dead girl in Florida

You know who should have been tried-the husband of Susan Smith, why did he get off?They should have charged him with abusing his wife or something.

My problem with the death penalty is that there is always reasonable doubt, so it should never be used. Sure, I get real mad when people do bad things, but to just let rip with our emotions when we try a case with a heinous crime isn't right, why deny someone a fair and proper trial because they are being tried for something really bad? If that's the attitude skip the trial, anyone being tried for paedophilia gets killed... but wait, why not say the same for rapists? ... hows about murderers ... 1st and second degree? ....

The Death Penalty is KNOWN to be a flawed system.
1- It kills m,ostly poor people (yes, mostly non-whites)
2- With all the re-trials and appeals it costs MORE than life in prison.

Give them Life, not death, and make Life mean Life. Sort prisons between "Lifetime Service" prisons and "rehabilitation" prisons.

But the death penalty doesn't make sence, any which way you look at it.

(As for OJ, the gloves didn't fit).

Checkout
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777460.html
For info on the Death Penalty worldwide.

It is illegal in the Ivory Coast, Serbia and Montenegro, Mozambique and Nicaragua (amongst others).

It is legal in Afghanistan, North Korea, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Zimbabwe and, of course, the USA.

See also http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0193952.html for a breakdown of Death Penalties in the US (spoiler in 2000 1,990 were white, the other half were "black and other")

It is quite unlikely that Scott Peterson will die through Capital Punishment. There are 635 guys ahead of him, he has appeals ahead of him and he isn't an inmate in Florida or Texas.

See this page for more details on the death penalty:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/DRUSA-20040701.pdf

Check page 11 out - it gives a breakdown of capital punishment by race and sex. Amazingly enough, most executions were of white males. The current population on death row in the US is slightly skewed towards white males.

I believe that black males are statistically more likely to be found in prison, mostly for drug offenses.

Non-whites make up about half the people on death row. But if one looks at the FBI statistics, non-whites commit about half the homicides in the US. There are more females in the US then males but males make up the great majority of death row inmates. That's because males commit the great majority of homicides.

I'll concede the non-white majority (as I posted afer that, it's a 50-50 split) if you'll concede the fact that the death penalty is almost exclusively reserved for the poor.

And who praytell "epitomizes everything thats wrong with modern females in our culture? Just curious to hear your veiws on that!! I bet ya can't think of one "selfish, self absorbed,well off, immature refusing to take responsibility woman!!! And Micheal Jackson does not count!! At least till he gets the "operation" ....LOL

Here is a couple of links that gives info on homicides;

U.S. Department of Justice · Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm#orace

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/homtrnd.htm

I can't find any example of where a person who may be considered to have been wealthy was ever executed in the US. The social and economic status of the victim also plays an important role in determining who is more likely to receive the death penalty. One who murders a homeless person, a prostitute, a drug addict or a black is far less likely to get sent to death row then one who murders a middle to upper class white female.

Time expired to edit my post so I'm adding the info here.



http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=45&did=539

Touche' and point well taken.

Has anyone noticed how many women spit in public these days? Disgusting.

"Girls Gone Wild", indeed....

I've heard it argued that it was women who actually tamed the old Wild West with their demands for law and order, schools and churches. Before that, it was a fun place to be.

I've often said if not for woman's need for calm, civilized lives men would still be living in caves.

If one ever wants to observe men in their natural state, spend a few days at a hunting camp when there are no women around.